How Homophobic Are You?

[Floatingaxe]

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No? Have you actually read your Bible, Floatingaxe? There are many commands and instructions given by God to His people that fly in the face of decent human beings. You obviously condone slaughter, genocide, rape, etc. as long as it's in the name of God.

I have read the Word and I know my God. He has done nothing that I need to judge Him for.

Ooh, can't you just feel the Christian love, not to mention humbleness, coming from these posts ...?

You mean, "humility"? From yours"? Not yet.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Indeed. Which makes me wonder why you continue to interpret God's word to yield baffling, legalistic commands.


But that's just it: you don't. Like I said, you have been repeatedly shown why God's word doesn't say what you think it says. You interpretation (and, indeed, translation) is antithetical to what Jesus preached.


Try not to change the subject. I make no claims to be a Christian; you, however, do.

Error! Error, Will Robinson! Who is MyHeroIsJesus and is he my long lost twin?

 

[Floatingaxe]

Try not to change the subject. I make no claims to be a Christian; you, however, do.

I know. But it is still an anti-God stance.

 

[Floatingaxe]

However, YOU do not get to decide what is and is not acceptable to God, YOU do not get a free pass to consider your cultural prejudices as equal to God's commands and YOU most certainly do not speak for all Christians.

No, I join my voice WITH Christians all over the world, the Church of Jesus Christ, united in proclaiming Him King over all, and holy, believing all He says about righteousness and sin.

Those who opt out of holiness are on the outside looking in, and, it seems, they are desperate to be counted among those of us in the land of the living.

Come, join us in declaring the sin of homosexuality for what it truly is--a demonic counterfeit for love.

 

[David Brider]

We don't need to know why. That kind of request is typical of the spoiled child asking his mommy, "Why?" all the time! When we are aware of the extreme love of God for us personally and His sacrifice for our freedom from sin's devastating addiction on us, our minds, our bodies and our very life, we don't have to ask Him why. We conform to his edicts with gladness and gratefulness that He would care enough to save us from our sin!

If God's word isn't enough for you, then whose word is? Now THAT is the question!

I don't know if you're aware, but if you've noticed his faith icon you'll realise that Andreusz is an atheist. Therefore, it's rather misguided of you to expect him to see eye-to-eye with you - he isn't necessarily aware of the extreme love of God for us, or of us sacrifice, and he doesn't necessarily feel that unquestioning conformity to his edicts is appropriate for him, nor that God's word is sufficient for him.

As Christians, we're expected to have a ready defense for our faith. Faced with a question from a non-Christian, "I want to know WHY your God considers homosexuality sinful", you have an opportunity to explain why God considers homosexuality sinful (if indeed He does, and if indeed you know why He does). Mocking and belittling someone who doesn't share your beliefs doesn't seem to be an appropriate response, IMO.

David.

 

[Brennin]

No, none of the cited verses refer to homosexual UNION... the vew that actually have anything to do with homosexuality are actually refering to homosexuality as a form of pagan idolatrous practice, or generally debauched, non monogomous homosexuality.

But the Bible never, ever, either pro or anti, specifically mentions homosexual unions, that being, monogomous unions analogous to heterosexual marriage

The Bible condemns all forms of homoeroticism, whether within a "union" or without.

Incidentally, I scored:


70 - Your score rates you as "homophobic."

 

[Brennin]

David and Jonathon[sic], who WERE in a homosexual union, were considered righteous and blessed. So oops, you're wrong again.

You can add that fantasy to your stockpile.

 

[Brennin]

EC, In suggesting a little historical research I was not necessarily suggesting the ECF. However allow me to suggest some reading which might provide some thoughtful pauses for you, and others, wrt Homosexual marriages.

Smith-Rosenberg, The Female World of love and Ritual: Relations Between Women in Nineteenth-Century America, I SIGNS I, 9, 27 (1975)

As well I recommend the following books;

Christianity, Social Tolerance, and Homosexuality: Gay People in Western Europe from the Beginning of the Christian Era to the Fourteenth Century
by John Boswell, University of Chicago Press, 1981, ISBN 0226067114

Same-Sex Unions in Premodern Europe. By John Boswell. New York: Vintage Press, 1995, ISBN 0679751645.

A review of which makes the following observations:

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Ah, yes, Boswell's pseudo-scholarship. He was trounced for his ignorance of Greek, and rightly so.

 

[Floatingaxe]

I don't know if you're aware, but if you've noticed his faith icon you'll realise that Andreusz is an atheist. Therefore, it's rather misguided of you to expect him to see eye-to-eye with you - he isn't necessarily aware of the extreme love of God for us, or of us sacrifice, and he doesn't necessarily feel that unquestioning conformity to his edicts is appropriate for him, nor that God's word is sufficient for him.

As Christians, we're expected to have a ready defense for our faith. Faced with a question from a non-Christian, "I want to know WHY your God considers homosexuality sinful", you have an opportunity to explain why God considers homosexuality sinful (if indeed He does, and if indeed you know why He does). Mocking and belittling someone who doesn't share your beliefs doesn't seem to be an appropriate response, IMO.

David.

Where was the mocking?

I do admit to not noticing at THAT time that he is an atheist. However, the gospel was given.

It is so difficult ( I am SO wiping the sweat from my brow as we speak! ) to distinguish the posts of an atheist, (agnostic) from those of homosexuality sympathizers in these threads, and then those of actual homosexuals, that I fear I must think about keeping a file on y'all, David!!




Not really...

 

[KCKID]

I don't know if you're aware, but if you've noticed his faith icon you'll realise that Andreusz is an atheist. Therefore, it's rather misguided of you to expect him to see eye-to-eye with you - he isn't necessarily aware of the extreme love of God for us, or of us sacrifice, and he doesn't necessarily feel that unquestioning conformity to his edicts is appropriate for him, nor that God's word is sufficient for him.

As Christians, we're expected to have a ready defense for our faith. Faced with a question from a non-Christian, "I want to know WHY your God considers homosexuality sinful", you have an opportunity to explain why God considers homosexuality sinful (if indeed He does, and if indeed you know why He does). Mocking and belittling someone who doesn't share your beliefs doesn't seem to be an appropriate response, IMO.

David.

That was very well said, David. It also NEEDED saying.

 

[kiwimac]

Ah, yes, Boswell's pseudo-scholarship. He was trounced for his ignorance of Greek, and rightly so.

References please. Preferably peer-reviewed.

 

[kiwimac]

No, I join my voice WITH Christians all over the world, the Church of Jesus Christ, united in proclaiming Him King over all, and holy, believing all He says about righteousness and sin.

Those who opt out of holiness are on the outside looking in, and, it seems, they are desperate to be counted among those of us in the land of the living.

Come, join us in declaring the sin of homosexuality for what it truly is--a demonic counterfeit for love.

Homosexuality is not a demonic counterfeit of ANYTHING. It is its own self, a thing of its own kind. As far as the "Believing all he says about..." You are reading BACK INTO the scripture what YOU think it says and you are doing that in line with your cultural prejudices. Not all Christians think as do American Conservatives, no matter what your pastor or this board would have you believe.

Homosexuality is no more or less holy than the people who are homosexuals are just the same as heterosexuality and heterosexuals.

 

[kiwimac]

The Bible condemns all forms of homoeroticism, whether within a "union" or without.

Incidentally, I scored:


70 - Your score rates you as "homophobic."

You too, Just like FLoatingAxe, are reading back into the scripture what you would like to think is there. As far as scoring as 'Homophobic" that is NOTHING of which to be proud, would you be proud of scoring as a Racist?

 

[Brennin]

You too, Just like FLoatingAxe, are reading back into the scripture what you would like to think is there.

In can read the Greek, I am well read on the topic, and homoeroticism is condemned in no uncertain terms. That is a fact, and it is not going away because it makes liberals pout.

As far as scoring as 'Homophobic" that is NOTHING of which to be proud, would you be proud of scoring as a Racist?

It is not a source of pride or shame. I was simply reporting the results of the quiz.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Ridiculous. We read what God desires us to read. The Holy Spirit interprets it to our spirit. Truth just seeps in and becomes part of our very fabric. I am sorry that a "learned" man such as yourself cannot grasp the truth of God's Word for yourself. I will pray for you, that the Holy Spirit will open the eyes of your heart to hear the message of the Father to come up higher, to live holy before Him.

 

[Brennin]

References please. Preferably peer-reviewed.

See David F. Wright's articles.

 

[KCKID]

Where was the mocking?

Your entire tone smacks of haughtiness and mockery, Floatingaxe. It would appear that only those who are in agreement with you are worthy of a relationship with God.

I do admit to not noticing at THAT time that he is an atheist.

Fair enough, I don't really pay much attention to the icons either.

However, the gospel was given.

Excuse me? The gospel is the 'good news' of salvation and has NOTHING to do with one's sexuality. Where do you come up with this stuff?

It is so difficult ( I am SO wiping the sweat from my brow as we speak! ) to distinguish the posts of an atheist, (agnostic) from those of homosexuality sympathizers in these threads, and then those of actual homosexuals, that I fear I must think about keeping a file on y'all, David!!

I'd like to make something very clear to you about myself anyway, FA. I am NOT a homosexuality sympathizer so much as I am an ANTI 'anti-gay' person. I find it most offensive for the scriptures to be so consistently used to belittle and to degrade and to condemn people who - through no request of their own - have a sexual orientation that does not fit 'the accepted norm'. The scriptures were NEVER intended to be used for this purpose! In my opinion - an educated opinion that IS based on a biblical understanding of Jesus Christ and His message - such people CAN and DO have a committed relationship with Jesus and are therefore just as 'Christian' as you believe yourself to be, Floatingaxe!

So, how dare you set yourself atop some pedestal and look down with righteous contempt on those that are your equals! What kind of a Christian does that? I'd best stop there before I get myself banned from the forum.

 

[Brennin]

There is also Stephen Carlson's analysis.

Excerpt:

Often the evidence about a word's meaning in a certain context is not
conclusive but merely indicative. When the best and strongest evidence
consistently points to the same conclusion, however, we can become more
confident. In this case, the immediate context of the word
'arsenokoite:s', all throughout the New Testament, its Septuagint
parallels, and its usage among the Apostolic Fathers, like Polycarp, all
point to a meaning of a homosexual and not a male prostitute. Boswell's
general argument, apart from a facile consideration of the context,
relies too much on the argument from silence and an egregious
etymological analysis. Whatever one thinks of the residual uncertainty
in concluding that 'arsenokoite:s' means a homosexual, one can say that
this sense is *much* more probable than Boswell's.

http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek/archives/greek-3/msg00135.html

 

[KCKID]

The Bible condemns all forms of homoeroticism, whether within a "union" or without.

That is totally unsubstantiated. That comes solely from your own mindset. The Bible, however does not condemn rape, slaughter, genocide, and many other things that we find repugnant, quaint, or amusing. Do you have anything to say about this?

Incidentally, I scored:

70 - Your score rates you as "homophobic."

Um ...congratulations.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Your entire tone smacks of haughtiness and mockery, Floatingaxe. It would appear that only those who are in agreement with you are worthy of a relationship with God.

Pot, meet kettle.

Only those who are open to the Spirit of God, who speaks plainly from the Word (the Bible) are all able to enter into relationship with Jesus Christ...they are called to it.

Agreement with me? Well, that usually happens with sisters and brothers in Christ, eh? Jesus tells us that! He SOOOO loves the unity He sees among His own!

Excuse me? The gospel is the 'good news' of salvation and has NOTHING to do with one's sexuality. Where do you come up with this stuff?

Sure it does. A rejecter of truth will walk in sin, while one who accepts the gospel of Jesus Christ and turns his life over to Him will not. Simple.

I come up with this "stuff" from Jesus Himself.

I'd like to make something very clear to you about myself anyway, FA. I am NOT a homosexuality sympathizer so much as I am an ANTI 'anti-gay' person. I find it most offensive for the scriptures to be so consistently used to belittle and to degrade and to condemn people who - through no request of their own - have a sexual orientation that does not fit 'the accepted norm'. The scriptures were NEVER intended to be used for this purpose! In my opinion - an educated opinion that IS based on a biblical understanding of Jesus Christ and His message - such people CAN and DO have a committed relationship with Jesus and are therefore just as 'Christian' as you believe yourself to be, Floatingaxe!

The Scriptures are given to us to be FOLLOWED. Not disregarded...or twisted. The Lord Jesus is a stranger to those living outside of His call to holiness and committing sexual sin consistently...and, may I add--calling it good.

The Scriptures tell us that even those who agree with those who do these things are abominable as well.

Remember reading Romans in all your scholarly pursuits? I know I do...

Romans 1:32
who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

So, how dare you set yourself atop some pedestal and look down with righteous contempt on those that are your equals! What kind of a Christian does that? I'd best stop there before I get myself banned from the forum.

My God elevates me...as He does all His kids--in due time. Right now I only plead for the Truth of Jesus Christ and God's Word to be understood and believed.

That is what I, as a Christian, must do.

The truth of Jesus Christ is often an offense to those who are perishing, says Scripture. Your dislike of me and what I post is not out of the ordinary. To the perishing, we are the stench of death, but to the Lord Himself, we are a sweet savour.


2 Corinthians 2:15
Our lives are a Christ-like fragrance rising up to God. But this fragrance is perceived differently by those who are being saved and by those who are perishing.



God bless you, KCKID. I will pray for you tonight.