Biden as dem running mate

[benedictaoo]

Anyone else think it's hilarious that he previously said he'd never be someone's Vp?? Or that Obama was not ready to be president?? LOL!...So much for convictions when greed for power is involved.....

I find it hilarious that he, 1, picks a guy who's old enough to be his granddad, 2, a guy who spent 30 years in the Senate when Bams constantly criticizes McCain for being in there for 25 years, 3, a man who ran for the nomination and lost. If his experience was all that, then he would not have lost the primary.

And if Bams was sincere about change and thinking 25 years in the senate is a bad thing, then he'd be pushing for term limits and if we really had those then we could really begin to re shape the gov.

Yes, change is needed, let's start with getting those career politicians and political dynasty families the heck out of there, not promote one to VP.

This is just more of his double speak, "I'm for it but I'm also against it."

So yeah- the VP pick has been in the Senate for 30 years, he's been in for 2. Makes Bams look real good... I think it was a dumb move on Bams part. It totally undermines his capabilities, assuming he has any and this further proves Bams is just the Demo puppet they put up there because he is black and appealing.

 

[benedictaoo]

I think it was a good pick for Obama.

For McCain, it sure was. Bams all but admitted he's not experienced enough for the job so the old guy's going to be there to keep an eye on him in case he fouls up.

 

[Fish and Bread]

I find it hilarious that he, 1, picks a guy who's old enough to be his granddad,

Biden is 65, Obama is 47. That's an 18 year gap, I don't think it's biologically possible for Obama to have a grandfather the same age as Biden. But let's not let the facts get in the way of a good smear.

2, a guy who spent 30 years in the Senate when Bams constantly criticizes McCain for being in there for 25 years

I don't think Obama has criticized McCain for being in the Senate for 25 years, I think he's criticized McCain for what he's done there and the way he's lost his way the last few years.

3, a man who ran for the nomination and lost. If his experience was all that, then he would not have lost the primary.

Plenty of more qualified candidates lose to less qualified candidates in the primaries. For example, John McCain lost to George W. Bush in 2000. To paraphase you, maybe if McCain's experience was all that, he would not have lost the 2000 primary.

And if Bams was sincere about change and thinking 25 years in the senate is a bad thing, then he'd be pushing for term limits and if we really had those then we could really begin to re shape the gov.

*yawn* I'm sick of hearing about term limits (And I don't think you guy McCain favors them either). The whole term limits thing is just a way to give entrenched interests even more power by making sure Congress has no institutional memory and is thus more likely to buy the history the special interests tell them to buy, because they'd have no way of knowing any better. You need some "old lions" in the House and the Senate who know what's already happen so they can place current legislation in some context.

. I think it was a dumb move on Bams part. It totally undermines his capabilities

If Obama had gone with someone less experience like Tim Kaine, all we would have heard about from Republicans is how neither guy on the ticket has any real experience to deal with the crisises we face... blah, blah, blah. Obama picks a guy with more foreign policy experience than McCain and now all we hear about is how experience is bad. A little objectivity would be nice once in a while.

 

[Fish and Bread]

so the old guy's going to be there to keep an eye on him in case he fouls up.

What's wrong with having an old hand around to give your policies more context and pass down some wisdom? Sounds like a good idea to me.

Of course, I said the same thing about Cheney in 2000 (Even though I didn't support he or Bush), but how was I supposed to know he was evil?

 

[ShannonMcCatholic]

LOL! I kinda like the idea of term limits--as in there's one 10 year or 12 year term. If you know you're gonna be stuck with some guy for a decade, you're gonna make darn sure he's the guy you want...and it would end the BS campaigning while in the White House. It'd be nice to have someone who'd actually make some tough present day decisions for the long term good.

LOL! Cheney is kind of evil personified, isn't he??

 

[stivvy]

Baaaaahhhhh, sorry, Barak Hussein Obama picked who? Baaaahhhh, That was funny, man, this is gonna be fun.

 

[ShannonMcCatholic]

Why do you insist on using his full name?? I mean it's not like he's John Quincy Adams-- to be differentiated from John Adams. Are you his mama and is he in trouble?? LOL! The only time I use middle names is when my kids need to know, beyond a shadow of a doubt I am talking to them and that they'd better listen up....(It's in the Mom Handbook, page 54.)

 

[benedictaoo]

What's wrong with having an old hand around to give your policies more context and pass down some wisdom? Sounds like a good idea to me.

Nothing... especially when you're a young Democrat puppet who the party put up there so they could win back the white house by coming up with this whole "historical election" plot.

He had to pick him because A) he can't debate his way out of a paper bag and the old man supposedly can and B) is inexperienced (he admits that now at least) and because McCain cleaned his clock at Saddleback.

I don't how well he thinks a liberal pro abortion Catholic is going to help him with life and moral issues, I mean didn't Kerry lose running on that approach? Yep, he sure did. No one bought, "I'm against abortion but for RvW."

Wasn't out of Kerry's own mouth, 'look how red the country is?' We know that radicalism is not the will of the ppl.

Didn't the Demo's come to an awareness that moral issues such as life does matter to the country?

They said they were going to be more moderate, meet the pro life folks half way, what the heck happened? Now we see ppl like Polosi and Bams as leaders...???

So one has to wonder, they're just going to keep pushing their radical views down the ppl's throat in spite of what the will of the ppl really is. They will use any strategy they can think of to do it. This much is obvious.

 

[benedictaoo]

Why do you insist on using his full name?? I mean it's not like he's John Quincy Adams-- to be differentiated from John Adams. Are you his mama and is he in trouble?? LOL! The only time I use middle names is when my kids need to know, beyond a shadow of a doubt I am talking to them and that they'd better listen up....(It's in the Mom Handbook, page 54.)

Because it's a reminder to us that he really isn't an American. There is something I heard and I swear my husband has been saying this, that he really wasn't born in US. I know h was born in Hawaii but not on the main Island and not during a time where you were considered a American. Then he moved to Indonesia and was adopted by some man! And in that country adoption makes you their citizen and when he came back here, he never did fill out the correct paper to become a citizen.

So... it being said that Hills gave this info to the Republicans and they will drop at the correct time.

How's that for a conspiracy theory? I dunno- we shall see if this is true or not. But I'll be frank- I'm not comfortable wit having a president who has a Muslim name and who was born one but that's just me.

 

[benedictaoo]

LOL! I kinda like the idea of term limits--as in there's one 10 year or 12 year term. If you know you're gonna be stuck with some guy for a decade, you're gonna make darn sure he's the guy you want...and it would end the BS campaigning while in the White House. It'd be nice to have someone who'd actually make some tough present day decisions for the long term good.

LOL! Cheney is kind of evil personified, isn't he??

What did Cheney do that's so evil? Really, I haven't heard.


and I have no idea why we have for so darn long put up with this ridiculous wealth they acquire when they get in the senate. What's with this? They have to be stopped and if Bams wants to change that- this being worth 200,000 going in and being net worth millions when you get out or die because some never get out, then he would really have my ear then.

I think it's really bad for their campaign when one guy criticise the other for being rich. Look in the mirror dude. Face it, they are all out of touch with working class poor ppl.

 

[ShannonMcCatholic]

And Solomon keeps calling it the Loony Left.....

That's ridiculous...bonus points if anyone can tell me when Hawaii became a state, and how old Obama would have to be to be born there before it was a state....

Maybe we could just ask him to change his middle name to Uncle Tom and right wing white America would be more comfortable. Just a suggestion.

 

[benedictaoo]

And Solomon keeps calling it the Loony Left.....

That's ridiculous...bonus points if anyone can tell me when Hawaii became a state, and how old Obama would have to be to be born there before it was a state....

Maybe we could just ask him to change his middle name to Uncle Tom and right wing white America would be more comfortable. Just a suggestion.

It's being said it was the island he was born on that wasn't at the time but I just heard this on the Radio- just passing on the info mam.

Hubs keeps arguing that even though Hawaii was entered in the union in 59, you still would not be considered a citizen. Like if you are born in puerto rico- you aren't a citizen... I dunno- just passing on the info.

But it's not about race, it's about whether or not he would sympathise with Islamic ideas and really put us at risk. His real dad was a radial Muslim, hey- just saying. Bams himself was educated in Indonesia as a Muslim. Hey, just saying.

 

[Fish and Bread]

Baaaaahhhhh, sorry, Barak Hussein Obama picked who? Baaaahhhh, That was funny, man, this is gonna be fun.

Who would you have picked as veep in Obama's shoes? I mean out of the realistic possibilities, of course -- someone who would be accepted by the convention that would has to formally nominate them.

Nothing... especially when you're a young Democrat puppet who the party put up there so they could win back the white house by coming up with this whole "historical election" plot.

LOL. Hey, if we're going to get paranoid and talk about "plots" and such, I could point out that McCain's life reads a lot like the storyline of the Manchurian Candidate. I don't think he is a manchurian candidate, though, of course.

He had to pick him because A) he can't debate his way out of a paper bag and the old man supposedly can and B) is inexperienced (he admits that now at least) and because McCain cleaned his clock at Saddleback.

I've seen Joe Biden debate, I watched almost all the primary debates (Even the Republican ones), and, you're right, he's better at it than Obama. He also has more experience than Obama. That's called balancing the ticket. You pick someone who is good in the areas you're not as good at or has strengths in the areas that are perceived as your weaknesses politically. It's smart ticket management. Look for McCain to pick someone younger than he is, because his age might be looked at as a negative, for example.

I don't how well he thinks a liberal pro abortion Catholic is going to help him with life and moral issues, I mean didn't Kerry lose running on that approach? Yep, he sure did. No one bought, "I'm against abortion but for RvW."

Biden goes to mass very regularly and prays the rosary and so forth. I think he even sent his boys to Catholic school. He's a little different from Kerry, who wasn't really a practicing Catholic. But, still, you've got a point -- he won't get the superconservative Catholics -- but no Democrat will. What Biden could help pick up is Catholics who are more moderate, the sort of people who voted for John F. Kennedy in 1960, for example, or Al Smith (The first Catholic to be nominated for President) in whatever election he ran in.

I have at least one very devoutly Catholic relative who hasn't voted for a Democrat in decades who I think will consider at least consider Obama/Biden this time around, for example, having seen the mess the Bush adminstration has made of things, and in part I think because of Biden.

 

[Fish and Bread]

bonus points if anyone can tell me when Hawaii became a state, and how old Obama would have to be to be born there before it was a state...

1948, I think. So, if that's correct Obama would have to be at least 61 years old to have been born before Hawaii was a state. Of course, if John McCain had been born in Hawaii, he would have been like 14 years old before it became a state (and I'm not exaggerating, might be off by a year or two). But we all know McCain was born in a much more American location, right in the heartland -- Panama (Central America, south of Mexico and Nicaragua).

 

[Fish and Bread]

Face it, they are all out of touch with working class poor ppl.

Biden takes an Amtrak train home every night from the Senate to go back to his home in Delaware and rides around in his pickup truck (Driving himself) on the weekends doing things like dumping loads of mulch. I mean, they may all be somewhat out of touch, obviously being a politician is much different from being a blue-collar worker, but Biden seems a lot more in touch than McCain, who doesn't fill his own gas tank, drive his own car, or know how many houses he has off the top of his head (Seriously, he was asked and wasn't sure -- the answer is 7).

 

[benedictaoo]

Well Fish then that makes him all the more pathetic, to support something he knows God hates. And read the other thread with out of his own mouth that we should thank God for him blocking Bork because if it didn't RvW would be gone.

So if RvW would be gone, that would be a bad thing?

His two faced as a catholic, not faithful and it will back fire- watch.

and blasphemy to say, lets thank God RvW wasn't overturned. This all brings me back to before- why support it? If you are a 'good' Catholic, really Fish, why? Why on earth?

All your other accomplishments over 30 years couldn't stand up or hold water if you were pro life? Please.

anyway, if Biden's da man- why Bams? becuase Biden's old school and Bams is generation X as well as Malcolm X. Know what I mean? he's a novelty, that's why he's in front but make no mistake- same old, same old radicalism.

 

[benedictaoo]

1948, I think. So, if that's correct Obama would have to be at least 61 years old to have been born before Hawaii was a state. Of course, if John McCain had been born in Hawaii, he would have been like 14 years old before it became a state (and I'm not exaggerating, might be off by a year or two). But we all know McCain was born in a much more American location, right in the heartland -- Panama (Central America, south of Mexico and Nicaragua).

His dad was high ranking military Fish-- Bams dad was a radical Muslim politician in Africa.. HUGE difference. lol.

and it was Aug 21 59, not 48

 

[ShannonMcCatholic]

His dad was high ranking military Fish-- Bams dad was a radical Muslim politician in Africa.. HUGE difference. lol.

and it was Aug 21 59, not 48

Ding! Ding! Ding!! Correct answer!! Which means OSama would have to be how old to be born there before it was a state?

My mom is a drug addict...doesn't make me a drug addict, in fact it helped me to see just how crazy dependency makes a family and how destructive it is. We cannot be measured by what our parents were or even are.....

(Don't get me wrong I am not a big Obama fan, nor a big McCain fan--but I just hate irrational opposition, when there are so many good reasons to think they're all schmoes.)

 

[MrJim]

• Name: Joseph R. Biden
• Born: Nov. 20, 1942, Scranton, Pa.
• Education: University of Delaware, history and political science; Syracuse University College of Law
• Religion: Roman Catholic
• Occupation: U.S. Senator from Delaware since 1973

What do folks think?

Maybe Papa Ben could have a little chat with the Senator about his prochoice activities...didn't know he was Catholic; disappointed, I expect better from Catholics--guess that means he's cut from the same political cloth as Ted Kennedy & John Kerry.

Bet Joseph Robinette Biden's speeches will get uberscrutinized because of his plagiarizing activities during his '88 run~in fact for the last 10 years every time I would see or hear Biden plagiarism was the first thing that come to mind~~like a Rorschach Test: Biden/Plagiarist, Kennedy/Chappaquiddick, Barney Frank/well you know....

 

[JoabAnias]

Maybe Papa Ben could have a little chat with the Senator about his prochoice activities...didn't know he was Catholic; disappointed, I expect better from Catholics--guess that means he's cut from the same political cloth as Ted Kennedy & John Kerry.

Bet Joseph Robinette Biden's speeches will get uberscrutinized because of his plagiarizing activities during his '88 run~in fact for the last 10 years every time I would see or hear Biden plagiarism was the first thing that come to mind~~like a Rorschach Test: Biden/Plagiarist, Kennedy/Chappaquiddick, Barney Frank/well you know....

Yea, I hear ya. Alot of it comes down to character yet all people make mistakes. Except for Jesus of course. I think we all should write him in.

Character is an extremely important factor in who I vote for. Integrity and values are a must. I must admit Biden improves Obama but both put together do not equal a McCain. (Huckamaybee

Its gotten so one can hardly discern what values a particular politician subscribes to any more, as everyone has a different opinion about it themselves, any more than one can tell if these guys are just making a career move or really want to help the country and its citizens.