A question for the non sabatarians(spelling?)

[StormyOne]

Yea, I'm aware of what appears to ba a convincing argument. I've made a choice to believe in these 66 books and the power of the Holy Spirit. "(Cough,cough,)Run,run, it's too late for me, I bought in, I'm finished, goodbye everyboby... cough, cough)

2Pe 1:1Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
2Pe 1:2Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,


CRIB

I believe I suggested initially that you do some research on how the bible was compiled, it would have proven to be quite interesting.... its not your choice in what to believe that is the issue, its your choice not to make sure that what you believe in is actually what you believe it to be.....

 

[Cribstyl]

The "every" is important. Genesis tells the story of God's creative word. God spoke. Therefore, you are God's living word. And you are living in God's word.

...... I Dont get it.... My understanding tells me that God's creative word were...."Let there be...", And Jesus came forth from the father as the Word of God, because all thing were made by Him, with the Help of the Holy Spirit of coarse

This does not devalue scripture. It's purpose is to help us understand the Word. We mistake words for the Word.

Here's an analogy. I give you a bike and an operators manual so you know more about how the bike works. My intention in giving you the manual is to help you know more about the bike - not to replace the bike.

O K step away from the keyboard

2Peter is saying that the manual (the bible) was given to us ( "that pertains to life and godliness").....so through Knowlege we can know Him, we can be spiritual like him, and make decision to escape from being corrupted.

2Pe 1:2Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord,
2Pe 1:3as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue,
2Pe 1:4by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.



2Pe 1:5But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge,

2Pe 1:6to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness,
2Pe 1:7to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love.

2Pe 1:8For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

2Pe 1:9For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.

2Pe 1:10Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble;

2Pe 1:11for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

2Pe 1:12For this reason I will not be negligent to remind you always of these things, though you know and are established in the present truth.


Since I want to be saved
I'll take my chances that these words are true, what about you?

CRIB

 

[Cribstyl]

I believe I suggested initially that you do some research on how the bible was compiled, it would have proven to be quite interesting.... its not your choice in what to believe that is the issue, its your choice not to make sure that what you believe in is actually what you believe it to be.....

Thanks friend, I've done a lot of research and will continue to do more, but faith is base on the testimonies about Jesus Christ.
Is every book suspect??
The baptism of the Holy Spirit give believers a cup that can be filled to overflowed or empty.
I've been filled and I've been on empty, but I cannot deny the power of God that's I've expirienced from knowing His word and trying to walk in it.


CRIB

 

[StormyOne]

Thanks friend, I've done a lot of research and will continue to do more, but faith is base on the testimonies about Jesus Christ.
Is every book suspect??
The baptism of the Holy Spirit give believers a cup that can be filled to overflowed or empty. I've been filled and I've been on empty, but I cannot deny the power of God that's I've expirienced from know His word and walking in it.

CRIB

we are cool Crib, you believe what you do, so its all good.... is every book suspect? more books than most realize... but we can talk about that at another time..... take care...

 

[sentipente]

Since I want to be saved
I'll take my chances that these words are true, what about you?

CRIB

Your salvation has already been guaranteed. Why do we find it so difficult to accept the good news, opting for good advice instead?

 

[JonMiller]

What do you mean by books being suspect?

All the books of the Bible were written by men. As such all should be suspect. All books of the Bible are there by the intention of God, therefore all provide valuable understanding.

If God wasn't keeping the Bile as true, than why beleive the rediculous stories found within it of God coming into the world, dying, and rising again? If you don't beleive that the Bible contains special information from God, than regard the Bible as no different than the Illiad. If you do beleive the Bible contains special information form God, that it is inspired by God, than every bit is there at His intention. How could it be otherwise?

The judging of one peice or another peice as fake or pointless or less valuable than other peices is the wrong way to look at it. Rather, we should be asking ourselves.. what is the point of this passage? I don't think the point of Genesis 1&2 is that the earth is 6000 or 7000 years old.

JM

 

[Avonia]

The judging of one peice or another peice as fake or pointless or less valuable than other peices is the wrong way to look at it.

This judgment excluded . . . of course!

 

[sentipente]

If God wasn't keeping the Bile as true, than why beleive the rediculous stories found within it of God coming into the world, dying, and rising again? If you don't beleive that the Bible contains special information from God, than regard the Bible as no different than the Illiad. If you do beleive the Bible contains special information form God, that it is inspired by God, than every bit is there at His intention. How could it be otherwise?

What do you mean by "special" information? Who says the Bible is different from the Iliad. I don't think we understand what we mean when we say that God created the universe. The universe is a reflection of Himself and all the information in the universe is from Him. What need have we of "special" information unless we ignore the information that is already available?

 

[JonMiller]

All information is not equally valuable.

Additionally, there exists false information and lies.

These are fundamental observations.

JM

 

[StormyOne]

All information is not equally valuable.

Additionally, there exists false information and lies.

These are fundamental observations.

JM

only if you can admit that there exists false information and lies even in the bible..... can you?

 

[Adventtruth]

Ah! I was referring to your performance in another thread in which you were less concerned with what the Bible really taught than with what you already believed. I had just read that thread and it was strange seeing you comment about those who only depend on their prophet.

I guess I am having a hard time following you here sentipente. Are you referencing the Eph 2:8 and John 3:16 discussion? If so I continue to maintain they are in agreement with one another.

AT

 

[Avonia]

I continue to maintain they are in agreement with one another.
AT

Maintenance is always required for things that have a propensity to break down.

 

[StormyOne]

Maintenance is always required for things that have a propensity to break down.

a band aid at best..... major surgery is probably needed.....

 

[Avonia]

Your salvation has already been guaranteed. Why do we find it so difficult to accept the good news

We have a hard time accepting gifts. Being part of a special group with an initiatory requirement at least spreads the worthiness out a bit.

 

[Adventtruth]

Maintenance is always required for things that have a propensity to break down.

In The book of John Christ address Nicodemus about slavation and He goes on to tell him:

(Joh 3:13)No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man.
(Joh 3:14)And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
(Joh 3:15)that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.
(Joh 3:16)"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.


So do you maintain that Christ is speakig of eternal life through faith here?


In the book of Ehesians Paul was addressing those called saints at Ephesus. He was explaining what God has done for us in Christ Jesus when He said:

(Eph 2:4) But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us,
(Eph 2:5) even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ--by grace you have been saved--
(Eph 2:6) and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
(Eph 2:7) so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
(Eph 2:8) For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God.


Would you say that Paul and Christ are in harmony in that we are saved by grace of God through faith?


AT

 

[Avonia]

AT, it appears that you are trying to consolidate unfamiliar ideas within a familiar frame of reference so they can be measured. To have the conversation that's being offered, expanding your perspective may be of use.

 

[JonMiller]

only if you can admit that there exists false information and lies even in the bible..... can you?

Human beings wrote the Bible. However, that says nothing about the purpose of the Bible.

JM

 

[StormyOne]

Human beings wrote the Bible. However, that says nothing about the purpose of the Bible.

JM

so is that an admission or not?

 

[Cribstyl]

Your salvation has already been guaranteed.

What is garanteed is the whole armour of God to save us, but you have to put it on, because the battle is not over while we're in the flesh.

Eph 6:11Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.(The whole armour is garanteed to save us or God would'nt offer it.)

Eph 6:12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].

Eph 6:13Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

Eph 6:14Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

Eph 6:15And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;

Eph 6:16Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

Eph 6:17And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

Eph 6:18Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;


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The accuser of the bretheren wont give up until he is put in his place. When God summons Moses and forgives Him of Sin, Satan staked his claim, while the angel are relocating His dead body; Satan said " Nope, that's one is mine, He's a murderer." Micheal said to satan " AHHH SHUT UP!!!!!"Jud 1:9Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Why do we find it so difficult to accept the good news, opting for good advice instead?

Some people uses their heads and are never satisfied with truth and some people use their heart to trust God at His word, these people find rest in Jesus.

CRIB

 

[sentipente]

I give up. Shout me when signs of intelligent life are observed.