Miami Hospital Barred Lesbian From Seeing Dying Partner

[BigBadWlf]

What if it was a child marriage? In one country (I could try to find it on wikipedia if needed), they allow marrying at the age of 9. Should a photographer be guilty of discrimination if s/he doesn't want to take photographs for moral reasons? Should we be able to say it is wrong? To say they should be allowed to marry? What is a doctor doesn't want to treat someone who he feels is a child rapist?

I was unaware that the state of Arizona legalized child marriages.

The point is that the reason said photographer refused business was his own personal prejudice and stupidly said so. He was charged and convicted and fined exactly as if he had refused business to a black couple or a Jewish couple or a Muslim couple or an interracial couple. The prejudice he engaged in did not magically become good or moral or justifiable simply because he chose to discriminate against an unpopular minority and what he did was no different form what the hospital in the OP did. I find it interesting that some people here denounce what the hospital did as wrong while at the same time defending that same discrimination

 

[BigBadWlf]

Well, I think you said it very well, thank you.

It is true that people can justify just about anything with Scripture. The test is if there is hatred involved. I do not hate people and I sympathize with GLB's.

Why would you assume that racists hate anyone?

Racists will happily say they do not hate blacks one often hears: “Some of my best friends are…” Rather racists indicate they are upset with the sin many blacks commit in claiming equality to whites.

In the meantime Yasic’s excellent question to you goes unanswered.

That said, again, it is a difficult issue in which a Conservative Christian must weigh their duty to God and their duty to their neighbor. I love my friend. I also worry that she has placed a barrier between herself and God.

You are the one who has placed that barrier, not her and defiantly not God

All I know is that I believe that hating people because they are gay is more of a sin than a gay relationship in of itself. But, then, none of us are damned because of sin, but for rejection of Jesus Christ. So, if a gay Christian is judged for their sexual activity, a hateful Christian will be judged for the hate they have shown.

And has often been noted in these debates any literal reading of the bible shows that such is not a sin.

I am always amazed by those who insist on a literal reading of the bible are the first ones to reject the literal reading on sexual orientation

If I am biased, I am as biased against hatred as much as I am against sexual sin.


Lisa

Yet your posts abound with your bias towards our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters

 

[BigBadWlf]

Honestly, I cannot know if a married man and woman are going to or not going to have children or strive to engage for such reasons. And what that couple does is between them and GOD. But I know that no homosexual engagment has ever produced children, and GOD wants nothing to do with their sexual maneuvers That is an absolute! No goal!

And that is why you support the idea that any woman who has survived cervical cancer should never be allowed to marry and that such cancer is immediate ground for marital annulment because that woman is infertile and as such she will never ever have children

Or are you saying the childbirth thing applies only to the minority you have chosen to hate?

 

[WhatThe]

Flaming Femme, that is my worst nightmare. My heart goes out to that family.

My girlfriend was actually in hospital recently, and we were lucky that the staff were very accepting. They treated me as her partner and let me stay with her after visiting hours.

 

[SaintInChicago]

South Florida Sun-Sentinel Article

For those of you who are opposed to gay marriage/rights:
Do you think this is fair? Just? Moral?
And if you think this is an isolated case, think again. This happens all the time, all over the country (though, notably less often in more progressive states), and this is one of the main reasons why those of us in the GLBT community need equal rights.
Your thoughts?

Ignoring power of attorney was wrong. However that does nothing to change the fact that it's Yin & Yang, not Yin & Yin, Yang & Yang.

 

[selfinflikted]

Ignoring power of attorney was wrong. However that does nothing to change the fact that it's Yin & Yang, not Yin & Yin, Yang & Yang.

And reality shows us that this simply is not the case.

 

[FlamingFemme]

And reality shows us that this simply is not the case.

Exactly.

 

[aeroz22]

Why does it bother some people so much that there are gay people amongst them that think they deserve all the same rights as straight folks? Its because of hate.

Who says that gay people have no place in society? Who says that gay people are an evolutionary flaw? If its the straight people's place to be the baby factories, then its the gay people's place to help take care of the babies. Can't have too many helping hands to take care of the babies. The more the better!!!

 

[selfinflikted]

dbl.

 

[selfinflikted]

The married biblical couple at least have a choice. The homosexual couple are not provided with any.

Yet, this is not true. Gay people do have choices - adoption, surrogate, etc.

 

[LittleNipper]

And that is why you support the idea that any woman who has survived cervical cancer should never be allowed to marry and that such cancer is immediate ground for marital annulment because that woman is infertile and as such she will never ever have children

Or are you saying the childbirth thing applies only to the minority you have chosen to hate?

For better or worse, until death do you part. Sorry, I don't believe in divorce and stupidity is not grounds for an annulment. You certainly are on some kick in a vain effort to make mud out of what GOD CREATED, so that you can do whatever and call it marriage. My prayer is that GOD will forgive places like California, Canada, and Colorado for their seeming disregard for the sanctity of marriage in order to play the fool for a group of sex fiends at the expense of families.

 

[Lisa0315]

For better or worse, until death do you part. Sorry, I don't believe in divorce and stupidity is not grounds for an annulment. You certainly are on some kick in a vain effort to make mud out of what GOD CREATED, so that you can do whatever and call it marriage. My prayer is that GOD will forgive places like California, Canada, and Colorado for their seeming disregard for the sanctity of marriage in order to play the fool for a group of sex fiends at the expense of families.

Tell me something...If these people burn because of their sexual sin, will you burn for your hatred? Or do you get a pass since you are saved? I don't think so.

Lisa

 

[Caylin]

For better or worse, until death do you part. Sorry, I don't believe in divorce and stupidity is not grounds for an annulment. You certainly are on some kick in a vain effort to make mud out of what GOD CREATED, so that you can do whatever and call it marriage. My prayer is that GOD will forgive places like California, Canada, and Colorado for their seeming disregard for the sanctity of marriage in order to play the fool for a group of sex fiends at the expense of families.

Question: What makes me a sex fiend for wanting to live the rest of my life with someone I love?

Question: How on earth does that impact other people's families in any way?

 

[FlamingFemme]

My prayer is that GOD will forgive places like California, Canada, and Colorado for their seeming disregard for the sanctity of marriage in order to play the fool for a group of sex fiends at the expense of families.

But what about MY family?? You seem to go off on these tangents about 'family', and yet you conveniently disregard the fact that I have a family, as do thousands of other gay couples. So, what about us? Do we not matter because we're 'perverts'? Does my daughter not deserve the protections your children are privy to simply because she has two mommies? Why? Why is my family not as valid as yours?

 

[WhatThe]

All families are valid. All a child needs to be able to thrive is the love of ONE adult. Studies show this. Anything more then that is a bonus; too have two loving parents, no matter what gender they are, is a gift. Too many people don't realise this.

 

[aeroz22]

For better or worse, until death do you part. Sorry, I don't believe in divorce and stupidity is not grounds for an annulment. You certainly are on some kick in a vain effort to make mud out of what GOD CREATED, so that you can do whatever and call it marriage. My prayer is that GOD will forgive places like California, Canada, and Colorado for their seeming disregard for the sanctity of marriage in order to play the fool for a group of sex fiends at the expense of families.

Colorado? Don't you mean Massachusetts? What did Colorado do?

 

[Eve_Sundancer]

Gay marriage will not negatively impact my marriage (I don't even see how that's possible!), in fact it will probably help it. To get to watch my two friends happily married like they both want to be would make my husband and I very happy. They're committed to each other, and are going to stay together for life anyway... why shouldn't they be allowed legal rights too? Seeing them treated fairly and as equals would make me so happy for them, and that could only help out my marriage. Being happy is nice, don't ya know?

 

[Archer93]

For better or worse, until death do you part. Sorry, I don't believe in divorce and stupidity is not grounds for an annulment. You certainly are on some kick in a vain effort to make mud out of what GOD CREATED, so that you can do whatever and call it marriage. My prayer is that GOD will forgive places like California, Canada, and Colorado for their seeming disregard for the sanctity of marriage in order to play the fool for a group of sex fiends at the expense of families.

What on earth does that have to do with BigBadWlf's post?
And where did stupidity come in to it? He was talking about cervical cancer- which generally results in sterility- as grounds for annulment if the possibility of procreation is the requirement for a marriage. Who said anything about stupidity, for cryin' out loud?

 

[wanderingone]

Really, I don't think that either you or I are qualified to make that call.

However, some of the people that I do think are qualified to make that call disagree with you. I only wish that I had internet citations for the words of my personal friends that I could point you to.

I can only say that the reaction of my child (a lesbian) to being the brunt of anti gay behavior is the same as her reaction to be the brunt of racist behavior - it hurts her, it makes her feel she is not safe, it makes her wonder more often if people are reacting to her based on what their opinion of her being gay, or being "biracial". People don't like when someone says they are being discriminated against because of a specifical trait, but because of the fact that they have encountered various level of discrimination it makes it hard to approach any conflict without wondering where the conflict originates.

As a woman married to a man of a different complexion, with children who are not "white" I have been in situations where I have been treated one way before someone knows my family, and an entirely different way once they meet them. The kids and the hubby get to wonder if they are being paranoid about the way that person is acting, it's so intangible.. you can't always put your finger on it when you haven't seen that person in another situation- but I get to "see" the difference. When I share a bunch of pictures on flickr and someone who didn't know my daughter is gay sees her A-prom pictures and realizes she is... I can feel the difference toward her when they see her again.. sometimes it's just discomfort... not so much an "ism" just a learning how to be... and sometimes it's pure distaste, hatred. It's NOT different, it feels the same.... and if you're a "minority" who is gay you just get a double dose of the 'isms...

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In terms of the OP It's not okay to turn someone away who has demonstrated they are the patients legal choice in medical situations. It makes me fear that in that hospital if I don't "look like" the next of kin I cannot be there for my loved one. People who are racist often refuse to see the resemblance between my kids and myself.. would these people demand I prove that I belong to one of my adult children if I arrived at the hospital with them?

I've gone to the hospital with friends and been allowed to at least stay by their side when they were not giving them treatments.

 

[WhatThe]

Wanderingone - I bet you get the "are they yours?" and "are they adopted?" questions a lot.
Seriously, some people are decidedly close minded.
People are frequently very nice to my girlfriend and i - until they realise that we aren't sisters.