Which one of Noah's sons died in the flood?

[GeorgeTwo]

According to the Holy Bible Noah had 3 sons and these 3 sons, including their wives, plus Noah and his wife stepped on the Ark and were saved from the flood -- eight people in all.

According to the Qur'an one of Noah's sons refused to get on the Ark and drowned.

Which son drowned?

Thank you.

 

[français]

Names are not mentioned.

 

[Lord Emsworth]

According to the Holy Bible Noah had 3 sons and these 3 sons, including their wives, plus Noah and his wife stepped on the Ark and were saved from the flood -- eight people in all.

According to the Qur'an one of Noah's sons refused to get on the Ark and drowned.

Which son drowned?

Thank you.

Dunno, maybe the fourth? Just make something up, to go with the flow, so to speak.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Names are not mentioned.

Perhaps Muhammad wanted to save on ink as YHWH made sure we knew their names. Maybe one reaon they need to use our Bible for their own account. Who knows........

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Genesis 5:32 And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noach begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

Genesis 6:10 And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

Genesis 7:13 In very of day, this, Noah entered, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, sons of Noah, and Noah's woman, and three of women of sons of him with them to the ark;

 

[um hamza]

Noah's wife was not a believer with him so she did not join him; neither did one of Noah's sons,
who was secretly a disbeliever but had pretended faith in front of Noah. Likewise most of the
people were disbeliveers and did not go on board.
The scholars hold different opinions on the number of those who were with Noah on the ship. Ibn
Abbas stated that there were 80 believers while Ka ab al Ahbar held that there were 72 believers.
Others claimed that there were 10 believers with Noah.​

[FONT=TimesNewRoman,Bold]

Stories of the Prophets​

Written by Al-Imam ibn Kathir​

Translated by Muhammad Mustapha Geme’ah, Al-Azhar
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[um hamza]

Perhaps Muhammad wanted to save on ink as YHWH made sure we knew their names. Maybe one reaon they need to use our Bible for their own account. Who knows........



Genesis 5:32 And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noach begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

Genesis 6:10 And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

Genesis 7:13 In very of day, this, Noah entered, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, sons of Noah, and Noah's woman, and three of women of sons of him with them to the ark;

Errors in the Bible - a sample


There are too many errors in the bible to fully list. This is a sample from .answering-christianity.com/bible.htmL

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Can God be the author of confusion and contradiction?

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ii) II Samuel 24 :1 says that God incited David to number Israel . I Chronicles 21:1 says that Satan incited David to number Israel. God and Satan are not synonymous.

iii) II Chronicles 36:9 says that Jehoiachin was 8 years old when he became king. II Kings 24:8 says Jehoiachin was 18 years old when he became king.

A difference of 10 years

iv) II Samuel 10:18 talks about David slew the men of 700 chariots of the Syrians and 40,000 horsemen and Shobach the commander. I Chronicles 1:18 says that David slew the men of 7000 chariots and 40,000 footmen

Contradiction: one says 700 the other 7000. One says 40,000 horsemen(cavalry), the other 40,000 footmen (infantry).

v) I Chronicles 9:25 says that Solomon had 4000 stalls for horses and chariots. I Kings 4:26 says that he had 40,000 stalls for horses

A difference of 36,000.

vi) Ezra 2:5 talks about an exile Arah having 775 sons. Nehemiah 7:10 talks about the same exile Arah having 652 sons.

vii) John the Baptist contradicts Jesus.

According to Jesus, John the Baptist was Elijah in his 2nd coming Matthew 17:11.

John the Baptist denied being Elijah when the priests and Levites questioned him (John 1:19-21).

viii) Was Jesus put on a cross (Stauron in Greek) Mark 15:11 or on a tree (Ksulon in Greek) I Peter 2:24

ix) John 3:13 Jesus says that none has ascended into heaven except the son of man who descended from heaven.

This contradicts II Kings 2:11 which says that Elijah ascended into heaven.

x) The Genealogy of Jesus.

a) From David to Jesus 41 names (generations) are given by Matthew [although he claims there are 42] as against the 26 names [generations] given by Luke [Luke 3]. A difference of 15 whole generations in the genealogy of the same man.

Matthew mentions that Jesus was the seed of David through Solomon while Luke says that Jesus was the seed of David through Nathan [Solomon's brother]. This is a contradiction as the seed of David could never reach Jesus through Solomon and his brother Nathan at the same time. According to Matthew Jesus' grandfather is Jacob [the father of Joseph] while according to Luke it is Heli.

xi) Luke doesn't claim inspiration of his Gospel by God. He wrote it because he knew of the events and it "seemed good to him" ( Luke 1:1-5). Also see I Corinthians 7:25 where Paul, in this specific case says that he's informing without God's commandment.



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Non-Existent Prophecies . Matthew 2:23 "that which was spoken by the prophets, 'He shall be called a Nazarene.'" The words Nazareth / Nazarene are not even found in the Old Testament. Use a word search. . Matthew 27:9-10 In reference to the potter's field being bought with thirty pieces of silver, quoting Jeremiah in the Old Testament. This is not in Jeremiah at all. . Luke 24:46 & I Cor.15:4 After Jesus resurrected, he said, "Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day." This is a non-existent prophecy. There is no reference to a third day resurrection anywhere in the Old Testament.

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Cain took eve as wife?? Or what happened. Something's wrong here: For when he married there was NO other woman.

"And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch." (Genesis 4:17)

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Rabbits dont chew cud:

LEV 11:6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.





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What were the last words of Jesus:

Matt.27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."

Luke23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."

John19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."

To see or not to see God:

God CAN be seen:

"And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts." (Ex. 33:23)

"And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend." (Ex. 33:11)

"For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." (Gen. 32:30)

OR= God CANNOT be seen:

"No man hath seen God at any time." (John 1:18)

"And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live." (Ex. 33:20)

"Whom no man hath seen nor can see." (1 Tim. 6:16)



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How many children did Michael daughter of saul have??

SA2 6:23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.

SA2 21:8 But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite:

Let us Judge:

1 Cor 2:15 " The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:" (NIV)

1 Cor 4:5 " Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God."

On wine or not to wine?

Proverbs 31:6-7 "Give strong drink to him who is ready to perish, and wine to those hthat be of heavy hearts. Let him drink and forget his poverty and remember his misery no more."

Proverbs 20:1 (just 11 chapters earlier):"Wine is a mocker, strong drink is a ragingand whomsoever is deceived thereby is not wise."

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Cretionism myths dont agree with themselves :o), and then ladies and gentlemen there was Man :o)

Man was created AFTER the other animals (Genesis 1:25-26), now wait a minute Man was created BEFORE the other animals Genesis 2:18-19.

SERMON ON THE MOUNT OR PLAIN?

Hey all, anyone heard of the SERMON on the MOUNT?? (Matthew 5:1,2)?? Nice stuff but hey know what, good ole Luke says it was on a PLAIN (Luke 6:17.20), wow ever heard of the sermon on the plain??

GREEK OR NOT SO GREEK?

Was it a GREEK woman who sought Jesus since her daughter was ill (Mark 7:26) or was it a woman of CANAAN (mark 15:22).

HOW MANY WOMEN? How many women went to the sephulchre after Jesus' "cruci-fiction" on the first day of the week. Whatever your answer is , guess what youre correct!

Was it one (John 20:1) Or was it two (Matthew 28:1) or wait a minute was it three??(Mark 16:1) NAH, he was a popular guy must be more than three (Luke 24:10)

THE RESTING GOD:

1.God got tired and rested (Exodus 31:17) BUT ALSO God never rests or gets tired (Isaiah 40:28)

THE UNKNOWING GOD:

2.God sees and knows everythig (Prov 15:3) BUT THEN he doesnt see and know everything and its possible to hide from him (Genesis 3:8; Genesis 18:20-21)

THE TEMPTING GOD:

3.God doesnt tempt anyone (James 1:13) BUT THEN ALAS, God tempted Abraham (Genesis 22:1 ) and deceived Jeremiah (Jeremiah 20:7)- sniff :o(

THE LYING GOD:

4.God doesnt lie (Hebrews 6:18) BUT THEN God sent LYING SPIRITS to lie to people (1 Kings 22:23)

THE NOT-SO-SURE GOD

5. God forbids the making of IMAGES (Exodus 20:4) BUT ALAS GOD commands that images of cherubims be made (Exodus 25:18,20)

THE END OF JUDAS?

6. Judah hung himself and comitted suicide (Matthew 27:5); OR Did he die when his bowels split open (poor fellow cant agree on his death even ) Acts 1:18


why would a person shall take information with a book contains such mistakes

but in the Holy Qraan Allah says

(1) This is the Scripture whereof there is no doubt, a guidance unto those who ward off (evil). (2) Who believe in the Unseen, and establish worship, and spend of that We have bestowed upon them;
Al-Baqara

 

[peaceful soul]

um hamza, stop the copy and pasting stuff. There is no reason to post this. No one asked you for this information. Stop trying to make tu quoque statements. This is really pathetic on your part.

 

[Lulav]

Noah's wife was not a believer with him so she did not join him; neither did one of Noah's sons,
who was secretly a disbeliever but had pretended faith in front of Noah. Likewise most of the
people were disbeliveers and did not go on board.
The scholars hold different opinions on the number of those who were with Noah on the ship. Ibn
Abbas stated that there were 80 believers while Ka ab al Ahbar held that there were 72 believers.
Others claimed that there were 10 believers with Noah.​

[FONT=TimesNewRoman,Bold]

Stories of the Prophets​

Written by Al-Imam ibn Kathir​

Translated by Muhammad Mustapha Geme’ah, Al-Azhar
[/FONT]

Check out the ancient Chinese

 

[GeorgeTwo]

Errors in the Bible - a sample

Your post has nothing to do with my topic.

Obviously someone who makes a post with this much stuff in it, is not interested in answers.

It is my experience that the so-called errors in the Bible are on the part of the critic. The "errors" are not the revelation of God, but are in the misinterpretations of men. All their allegations of "error" in the Bible are based on some error of their own. Their mistakes fall into the following main categories.

[FONT=&quot]1. Assuming that the unexplained is not explainable. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]
2. Presuming the Bible guilty until proven innocent.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]3. Confusing our fallible interpretations with God's infallible revelation.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]4. Failing to understand the context of the passage.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
5. Neglecting to interpret difficult passages in the light of clear ones.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]6. Basing a teaching on an obscure passage.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]7. Forgetting that the Bible is a human book with human characteristics.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]8. Assuming that a partial report is a false report.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]9. Demanding that NT citations of the OT always be exact quotations.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]10. Assuming that divergent accounts are false ones.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]11. Presuming that the Bible approves of all it records.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]12. Forgetting that the Bible uses non-technical, everyday language.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]13. Assuming that round numbers are false.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]14. Neglecting to note that the bible uses different literary devices.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]15. Forgetting that only the original text, not every copy of Scripture, is without error.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]16. Confusing general statements with universal ones.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
17. Forgetting that later revelation supersedes previous revelation.[/FONT]

One example from your list:

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]1. Does God incite David to conduct the census of his people (2 Samuel 24:1), or does Satan (1 Chronicles 21:1)?

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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica](Category: misunderstood how God works in history)

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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]This seems an apparent discrepancy unless of course both statements are true. It was towards the end of David's reign, and David was looking back over his brilliant conquests, which had brought the Canaanite, Syrian, and Phoenician kingdoms into a state of vassalage and dependency on Israel. He had an attitude of pride and self-admiration for his achievements, and was thinking more in terms of armaments and troops than in terms of the mercies of God.

[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]The Lord therefore decided that it was time that David be brought to his knees, where he would once again be cast back onto the mercy of God. So he let him go ahead with his census, in order to find out just how much good it would do him, as the only thing this census would accomplish would be to inflate the national ego (intimated in Joab's warning against carrying out the census in 1 Chronicles 21:3). As soon as the numbering was completed, God intended to chasten the nation with a disastrous plague which would bring about an enormous loss of life (in fact the lives of 70,000 Israelites according to 2 Samuel 24:15).[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]
What about Satan? Why would he get himself involved in this affair (according to 1 Chronicles 21:1) if God had already prompted David to commit the folly he had in mind? It seems his reasons were entirely malicious, knowing that a census would displease the Lord (1 Chronicles 21:7-8), and so he also incited David to carry it through.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Yet this is nothing new, for there are a number of other occurrences in the Bible where both the Lord and Satan were involved in soul-searching testings and trials:[/FONT]

1. [FONT=Arial,Helvetica]In the book of Job, chapters one and two we find a challenge to Satan from God allowing Satan to bring upon Job his calamities. God's purpose was to purify Job's faith, and to strengthen his character by means of discipline through adversity, whereas Satan's purpose was purely malicious, wishing Job as much harm as possible so that he would recant his faith in his God.[/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica]
   [/FONT]
2. [FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Similarly both God and Satan are involved in the sufferings of persecuted Christians according to 1 Peter 4:19 and 5:8. God's purpose is to strengthen their faith and to enable them to share in the sufferings of Christ in this life, that they may rejoice with Him in the glories of heaven to come (1 Peter 4:13-14), whereas Satan's purpose is to 'devour' them (1 Peter 5:8), or rather to draw them into self-pity and bitterness, and down to his level.[/FONT]
3. [FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Both God and Satan allowed Jesus the three temptations during his ministry on earth. God's purpose for these temptations was for him to triumph completely over the very tempter who had lured the first Adam to his fall, whereas Satan's purpose was to deflect the saviour from his messianic mission.[/FONT]
4. [FONT=Arial,Helvetica]In the case of Peter's three denials of Jesus in the court of the high priest, it was Jesus himself who points out the purposes of both parties involvement when he says in Luke 22:31-32, "Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift you as wheat. But I have prayed for you Simon, that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers."[/FONT]
5. [FONT=Arial,Helvetica]And finally the crucifixion itself bears out yet another example where both God and Satan are involved. Satan exposed his purpose when he had the heart of Judas filled with treachery and hate (John 13:27), causing him to betray Jesus. The Lord's reasoning behind the crucifixion, however, was that Jesus, the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world should give his life as a ransom for many, so that once again sinful man could relish in the relationship lost at the very beginning, in the garden of Eden, and thereby enter into a relationship which is now eternal.
   [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica]
   [/FONT]
   [FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Thus we have five other examples where both the Lord and Satan were involved together though with entirely different motives. Satan's motive in all these examples, including the census by David was driven by malicious intent, while the Lord in all these cases showed an entirely different motive. His was a benevolent motive with a view to eventual victory, while simultaneously increasing the usefulness of the person tested. In every case Satan's success was limited and transient; while in the end God's purpose was well served furthering His cause substantially.
   
   [/FONT]
   [FONT=Arial,Helvetica](Archer 1982:186-188)
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Source for your information: http://debate.org.uk/topics/apolog/contrads.htm

 

[GeorgeTwo]

Names are not mentioned.

[FONT=&quot]How convenient.[/FONT]

 

[GeorgeTwo]

Noah's wife was not a believer with him so she did not join him; neither did one of Noah's sons,
who was secretly a disbeliever but had pretended faith in front of Noah. Likewise most of the
people were disbeliveers and did not go on board.
The scholars hold different opinions on the number of those who were with Noah on the ship. Ibn
Abbas stated that there were 80 believers while Ka ab al Ahbar held that there were 72 believers.
Others claimed that there were 10 believers with Noah.​

[FONT=TimesNewRoman,Bold]

Stories of the Prophets​

Written by Al-Imam ibn Kathir​

Translated by Muhammad Mustapha Geme’ah, Al-Azhar
[/FONT]

Muslim source in order to cover up the mistake in the Qur'an.

 

[elwill]

Perhaps Muhammad wanted to save on ink as YHWH made sure we knew their names. Maybe one reaon they need to use our Bible for their own account. Who knows........

sometimes , names of people not important to be exist in relegious books

quran mentioned us about many prophets and many details that isn't exist in bible also

anyway we can't to be sure from the information of bible as 100% correct anymore , because of thousands of errors and contradictions in it , as umhamza explained

 

[Montalban]

Errors in the Bible - a sample

Not only has this got nothing to do with the OP it shows that you can't help yourself cutting and pasting what other people think. And you were going so well when you actually answered him in the post prior.

 

[GeorgeTwo]

anyway we can't to be sure from the information of bible as 100% correct anymore , because of thousands of errors and contradictions in it , as umhamza explained

Explained by umhamza incorrectly as my rebuttal proved.

 

[um hamza]

um hamza, stop the copy and pasting stuff. There is no reason to post this. No one asked you for this information. Stop trying to make tu quoque statements. This is really pathetic on your part.

there is no reason to post this?? I think you talk about my second post , but it's ok for you that little lamb says Perhaps Muhammad wanted to save on ink it's ok for you to moak about prophet Muhamed peace be upon him, and also he said Maybe one reaon they need to use our Bible for their own account. Who knows........

he thinks that Islam with his two main sources Quran and sunna need the Bible to get information from, no I won't accept that moaking so I replied to him my post was for his words and be sure that Iam telling no lies there already mistakes in the bible and for your information I have taken my post from christian site, I hope you get it no need for you to be angry
he said a thing about me and I replied, end of the deal

 

[um hamza]

Your post has nothing to do with my topic.
my first post have an answer to your question, but I think you talk about my second post which I posted to little lamb and it's a reply for his post not to yours , I think I quoted his post in mine maybe you didn't see it
Obviously someone who makes a post with this much stuff in it, is not interested in answers.
(such stuff) I think you mean the errors right? why do you think I wouldn't answer you? here Iam
hey guys why my post made you nervous, I think there are some panic here ,I don't know why did I say something forebiden ??
It is my experience that the so-called errors in the Bible are on the part of the critic. The "errors" are not the revelation of God, but are in the misinterpretations of men. All their allegations of "error" in the Bible are based on some error of their own. Their mistakes fall into the following main categories.

[FONT=&quot]1. Assuming that the unexplained is not explainable. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2. Presuming the Bible guilty until proven innocent.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3. Confusing our fallible interpretations with God's infallible revelation.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4. Failing to understand the context of the passage.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5. Neglecting to interpret difficult passages in the light of clear ones.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6. Basing a teaching on an obscure passage.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7. Forgetting that the Bible is a human book with human characteristics.[/FONT]
Allaho Akbar, you mentioned it yourself, a human book human book, is that mean that it was writen and composed by men? I wonder I thought you believe that the Bible is your God words not human book.
[FONT=&quot]8. Assuming that a partial report is a false report.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]9. Demanding that NT citations of the OT always be exact quotations.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]10. Assuming that divergent accounts are false ones.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]11. Presuming that the Bible approves of all it records.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12. Forgetting that the Bible uses non-technical, everyday language.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]13. Assuming that round numbers are false.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]14. Neglecting to note that the bible uses different literary devices.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]15. Forgetting that only the original text, not every copy of Scripture, is without error.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]16. Confusing general statements with universal ones.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17. Forgetting that later revelation supersedes previous revelation.[/FONT]

One example from your list:

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]1. Does God incite David to conduct the census of his people (2 Samuel 24:1), or does Satan (1 Chronicles 21:1)?[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial,Helvetica](Category: misunderstood how God works in history)[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]This seems an apparent discrepancy unless of course both statements are true. It was towards the end of David's reign, and David was looking back over his brilliant conquests, which had brought the Canaanite, Syrian, and Phoenician kingdoms into a state of vassalage and dependency on Israel. He had an attitude of pride and self-admiration for his achievements, and was thinking more in terms of armaments and troops than in terms of the mercies of God.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]The Lord therefore decided that it was time that David be brought to his knees, where he would once again be cast back onto the mercy of God. So he let him go ahead with his census, in order to find out just how much good it would do him, as the only thing this census would accomplish would be to inflate the national ego (intimated in Joab's warning against carrying out the census in 1 Chronicles 21:3). As soon as the numbering was completed, God intended to chasten the nation with a disastrous plague which would bring about an enormous loss of life (in fact the lives of 70,000 Israelites according to 2 Samuel 24:15).[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]What about Satan? Why would he get himself involved in this affair (according to 1 Chronicles 21:1) if God had already prompted David to commit the folly he had in mind? It seems his reasons were entirely malicious, knowing that a census would displease the Lord (1 Chronicles 21:7-8), and so he also incited David to carry it through.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Yet this is nothing new, for there are a number of other occurrences in the Bible where both the Lord and Satan were involved in soul-searching testings and trials:[/FONT]

1. [FONT=Arial,Helvetica]In the book of Job, chapters one and two we find a challenge to Satan from God allowing Satan to bring upon Job his calamities. God's purpose was to purify Job's faith, and to strengthen his character by means of discipline through adversity, whereas Satan's purpose was purely malicious, wishing Job as much harm as possible so that he would recant his faith in his God.[/FONT]
   
2. [FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Similarly both God and Satan are involved in the sufferings of persecuted Christians according to 1 Peter 4:19 and 5:8. God's purpose is to strengthen their faith and to enable them to share in the sufferings of Christ in this life, that they may rejoice with Him in the glories of heaven to come (1 Peter 4:13-14), whereas Satan's purpose is to 'devour' them (1 Peter 5:8), or rather to draw them into self-pity and bitterness, and down to his level.[/FONT]
3. [FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Both God and Satan allowed Jesus the three temptations during his ministry on earth. God's purpose for these temptations was for him to triumph completely over the very tempter who had lured the first Adam to his fall, whereas Satan's purpose was to deflect the saviour from his messianic mission.[/FONT]
4. [FONT=Arial,Helvetica]In the case of Peter's three denials of Jesus in the court of the high priest, it was Jesus himself who points out the purposes of both parties involvement when he says in Luke 22:31-32, "Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift you as wheat. But I have prayed for you Simon, that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers."[/FONT]
5. [FONT=Arial,Helvetica]And finally the crucifixion itself bears out yet another example where both God and Satan are involved. Satan exposed his purpose when he had the heart of Judas filled with treachery and hate (John 13:27), causing him to betray Jesus. The Lord's reasoning behind the crucifixion, however, was that Jesus, the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world should give his life as a ransom for many, so that once again sinful man could relish in the relationship lost at the very beginning, in the garden of Eden, and thereby enter into a relationship which is now eternal.[/FONT]
   
   
   [FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Thus we have five other examples where both the Lord and Satan were involved together though with entirely different motives. Satan's motive in all these examples, including the census by David was driven by malicious intent, while the Lord in all these cases showed an entirely different motive. His was a benevolent motive with a view to eventual victory, while simultaneously increasing the usefulness of the person tested. In every case Satan's success was limited and transient; while in the end God's purpose was well served furthering His cause substantially.[/FONT]
   
   
   [FONT=Arial,Helvetica](Archer 1982:186-188)[/FONT]
   
   
   

thanx anaway

 

[um hamza]

Muslim source in order to cover up the mistake in the Qur'an.

this one realy made me laugh, goerge comon you didn't even read the book, anayway I will tell you the book first give some information then presents the verses of the Quraan which include the story then prophet peace be upon him words about that the he the writer explain the story read the book it is very interesting and have Quraanic verses that we sure that it's true
thanx

 

[um hamza]

Not only has this got nothing to do with the OP it shows that you can't help yourself cutting and pasting what other people think.what do you mean by that ? in my first post I have brought the story from a famous islamic bookwhich contains prophets story
my second post which I think you mean, it is n't my thoughts anayway I have nothing to do with the bible, I have my own believes about it, liitle lamb wants us to take information from the bible, that's it
And you were going so well when you actually answered him in the post prior.

strange you say this

 

[GeorgeTwo]

Your post has nothing to do with my topic.
my first post have an answer to your question, but I think you talk about my second post which I posted to little lamb and it's a reply for his post not to yours , I think I quoted his post in mine maybe you didn't see it
Obviously someone who makes a post with this much stuff in it, is not interested in answers.
(such stuff) I think you mean the errors right? why do you think I wouldn't answer you? here Iam
hey guys why my post made you nervous, I think there are some panic here ,I don't know why did I say something forebiden ??

The point is what some think are "errors" in the Bible has no place in this thread.

It looks to me like you are trying to detail my topic in order to try to cover up an error in the Qur'an. Your response shows you are very nervous and have panicked.[FONT=&quot][/FONT]

I like to address one subject at a time as I am doing with Noah and the son who allegedly drowned. I have no intention of posting the long list of what are considered errors in the Qur'an in one thread.

There is no nervousness on my part and certainly no panic. I have spent years answering allegations from Muslims against Christianity and God's Holy Bible.

 

[GeorgeTwo]

this one realy made me laugh, goerge comon you didn't even read the book, anayway I will tell you the book first give some information then presents the verses of the Quraan which include the story then prophet peace be upon him words about that the he the writer explain the story read the book it is very interesting and have Quraanic verses that we sure that it's true
thanx

I've read the Qur'an several times and continue to read it. I had a couple of Muslims help me understand some of it.