Which one of Noah's sons died in the flood?

[LittleLambofJesus]

I am suggesting that Muhammad accepted the story of the flood in the Hebrew Scriptures but used it to make a point of his own.

Good point!!! Jesus spoke many many parables concerning the coming Kingdom to the Jews and if they couldn't understand most of them, far be it from me to say I always can. I have a hugh study just on the Covenantle parable of the "rich man/lazarus" in Luke 16, and it was while translating it from the Greek that so much more was revealed, and why I like going directly to the original language. Pretty awsome!!!!

http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/abraham/abrahams_bosom.htm

........And yet, any preacher or believer that I know will answer that the story of the lost coin, as well as the prodigal son, were also parables. Then why was the singular used - "this parable"? It should be clear to any thinking mind that all these stories were ONE PARABLE, like the facets of a diamond, as they turn each scintillates with new brilliance. Each was illustrating a view point of one great truth, and together they compose a whole.

And this parabolic discourse of Jesus is continued into chapter sixteen of Luke, including the story of the rich man and Lazarus. The truth is that all five stories are each a fractional part of the complete parable, and when we read, "He spoke this parable unto them," this embraces the entire collection of symbol-pictures which in their completeness constituted the parable which He spoke. It is a careless assumption and an unfounded assertion to argue that the story of the rich man and Lazarus is not a parable!..........

 

[Lulav]

Did anyone bother to look at my link??? If that isn't history answering for you.................

 

[um hamza]

In order to get my topic back on track. The Qur'an says:

(Remember) Noah, when he cried (to Us) aforetime: We listened to his (prayer) and delivered him and his family from great distress. -- Surah
21:76

What does this verse mean? It seems to mean that Noah and his complete family were saved from the flood.

True or not?

it means that Noah prayed to Allah that his people don't believe him so Allah orded him to make the ark .... the story, but n't all his family were saved only the muslims the believers those who had faith
in another verse Allah says

45. And Noah called upon his Lord, and said: "O my Lord! surely my son is of my family! and Thy promise is true, and Thou art the justest of Judges!"
46. He said: "O Noah! He is not of thy family: For his conduct is unrighteous. So ask not of Me that of which thou hast no knowledge! I give thee counsel, lest thou act like the ignorant!" 47. Noah said: "O my Lord! I do seek refuge with Thee, lest I ask Thee for that of which I have no knowledge. And unless thou forgive me and have Mercy on me, I should indeed be lost!"
Surah 11. Hud
it means that not all the family just the believers were saved
by the way according to muslim scholars Noah had four sons, ham , sam, yafth, kannaan. |I hope I wrote it right, kannan who was disbeliever
and about your question of how that Noah heared his son while the float, if you make little efoort and read all the verses talked about the story you will find that it happened in terms first the water brgan to come from the earth then rains then they were ordered to comon the ship then before huge waves and wind came Noah called his son come here with us and because there was still everything littel calm he said I will go to that mountain means that there still mountans didn't covered by water but Noah replied there is no savior from the decree of Allah except him on whom He has mercy.) This means that nothing will be saved today from the command of Allah.
I hope it's clear for you now
thanx for asking

 

[um hamza]

LOL

I think there is another explanation for the supposed drowning of one of Noah's sons and also for the unbelief of Noah's wife.

Perhaps Muhammad was using this story as a lesson to his audience and making alterations in it to make some kind of a point or lesson to his audience?????
you claim that Muhamed peace be upon him wrote the Quraan right?? because the story came from the Quraanic verses let me tell you this my prophet peace be upon him didn't even know how to right or read he can't read or right and the Quranic verse were wrote in poetic Arabic you wouldn't know this because you read the English translation
and let me tell you this he can't event say poems he can't produce it
Quran is words from Allah to all mankind
Let your imagination be your guide. If you wanted to teach a lesson of Noah's son who refused to get on the boat or Noah's wife who became an unbeliever how would you do it? What lesson would you try to get across? What did Muhammad think his audience needed to hear to believe him or obey his teachings? Were they doubting him and he needed to put some fear in them in order for them to come around?

I am suggesting that Muhammad accepted the story of the flood in the Hebrew Scriptures but used it to make a point of his own.
he didn't even know Hebrews he lived in a Pagan society his people worshiped statues they weren't related with the peopl of the book christans and jews





Revelation 16:1 And I hear a great/megalhV <3173> voice/fwnhV <5456> out of the sanctuary saying to the seven messengers : "Be ye going away! and be ye pouring out! the seven bowls of the fury of the God into the land".

3173. meg'-as (including the prolonged forms, feminine megale,

5456. fo-nay' probably akin to 5316 through the idea of disclosure;

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102. Say, the Holy Spirit has brought the revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to Muslims.
103. We know indeed that they say, "It is a man that teaches him." The tongue of him they wickedly point to is notably foreign, while this is Arabic, pure and clear.
104. Those who believe not in the Signs of Allah,- Allah will not guide them, and theirs will be a grievous Penalty.
105. It is those who believe not in the Signs of Allah, that forge falsehood: it is they who lie!
Surah 16. The Bee



41. Those who reject the Message when it comes to them (are not hidden from Us). And indeed it is a Book of exalted power.
42. No falsehood can approach it from before or behind it: It is sent down by One Full of Wisdom, Worthy of all Praise.
43. Nothing is said to thee that was not said to the apostles before thee: that thy lord has at his Command (all) forgiveness as well as a most Grievous Penalty. 44. Had We sent this as a Qur'an (in the language) other than Arabic, they would have said: "Why are not its verses explained in detail? What! (a Book) not in Arabic and (a Messenger an Arab?" Say: "It is a Guide and a Healing to those who believe; and for those who believe not, there is a deafness in their ears, and it is blindness in their (eyes): They are (as it were) being called from a place far distant!"
Surah 41. (signs) Spelled Out, Ha-mim

 

[um hamza]

For whatever reason you did, it serves no useful purpose to try to attack the other side as if that will make your assertions true. Calling attention to the Bible is not going to resolve any issues that someone may have with the Qu'ran or with Islam. As George has stated, part of the problem with alleged contradictions is that the accuser doesn't always realize his or her own limitations that he or she places upon the text and the fact that their thoughts and understandings are not infallible.

Can we know go forward without the references to the Bible?

fair
but can you garntee that it wouldn't be moaking or saying incorrect facts about islam quraan and prophet Muhamed peace be upon him ?? I don't think you can

 

[peaceful soul]

fair
but can you garntee that it wouldn't be moaking or saying incorrect facts about islam quraan and prophet Muhamed peace be upon him ?? I don't think you can

Whatever problems that non Muslims have regarding Islam can't be solved or discussed by pointing out problems with some other set of beliefs. All you do is to bring down both your religions and the one that you talk against.

I went back to take another look at the post that you disapproved of.

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus Perhaps Muhammad wanted to save on ink as YHWH made sure we knew their names. Maybe one reaon they need to use our Bible for their own account. Who knows........

i don't see any mocking here. It appears to be just a joke mixed in with an opinion.

Muslims are too sensitive about Mohammad and the Qur'an. It seems like Muslims worship him and a book at times. Having a different opinion about Islam is not the same as defaming your religion and prophet. You must learn how to take criticism that is not meant to harm. When people see problems and ask genuine questions, there is no need to be defensive. This does not make your religion look good to others.

 

[um hamza]

Whatever problems that non Muslims have regarding Islam can't be solved or discussed by pointing out problems with some other set of beliefs. All you do is to bring down both your religions and the one that you talk against.

I went back to take another look at the post that you disapproved of.

Originally Posted by LittleLambPerhaps Muhammad wanted to save on ink as YHWH made sure we knew their names. Maybe one reaon they need to use our Bible for their own account. Who knows........

i don't see any mocking here. It appears to be just a joke mixed in with an opinion.
is it ok to make a joke about jesus and mix it with an opnion? if it's ok for you it's not for us we won't accept jokes about prophets peace be upon them they are sacred
Muslims are too sensitive about Mohammad and the Qur'an. It seems like Muslims worship him and a book at times. Having a different opinion about Islam is not the same as defaming your religion and prophet. You must learn how to take criticism that is not meant to harm. When people see problems and ask genuine questions, there is no need to be defensive. This does not make your religion look good to others.

we are indeed sensetive about any thing related to our believes not only the prophet or th Quraan and muslims worship Allah alone

 

[GeorgeTwo]

102. Say, the Holy Spirit has brought the revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to Muslims.
103. We know indeed that they say, "It is a man that teaches him." The tongue of him they wickedly point to is notably foreign, while this is Arabic, pure and clear.
104. Those who believe not in the Signs of Allah,- Allah will not guide them, and theirs will be a grievous Penalty.
105. It is those who believe not in the Signs of Allah, that forge falsehood: it is they who lie!
Surah 16. The Bee



41. Those who reject the Message when it comes to them (are not hidden from Us). And indeed it is a Book of exalted power.
42. No falsehood can approach it from before or behind it: It is sent down by One Full of Wisdom, Worthy of all Praise.
43. Nothing is said to thee that was not said to the apostles before thee: that thy lord has at his Command (all) forgiveness as well as a most Grievous Penalty. 44. Had We sent this as a Qur'an (in the language) other than Arabic, they would have said: "Why are not its verses explained in detail? What! (a Book) not in Arabic and (a Messenger an Arab?" Say: "It is a Guide and a Healing to those who believe; and for those who believe not, there is a deafness in their ears, and it is blindness in their (eyes): They are (as it were) being called from a place far distant!"
Surah 41. (signs) Spelled Out, Ha-mim[/quote]

Please do not reply to a poster within his post. It makes it very difficult to respond, as you can see when I pushed the quote button the above is all I got.

Thanks.

The simpliest lesson of the Ark is: "Have faith in God and He will save you. If you don't, you will die."

I think that may be what the Qur'an is trying to say, using the unbelieving son as an example.

Otherwise, you have a verse in the Qur'an which contradicts God's Holy Bible.

 

[elwill]

I think you would do well to keep something from the Qur'an in mind um hamza.

[FONT=&quot]002.136 [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]PICKTHAL: Say (O Muslims): We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received, and that which the prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Muslims are commanded to believe in God's Holy Bible. Notice that they must not make any distinction between the past revelations and the revelations in the Qur'an. The revelations of the Qur'an and the revelations of the Bible are to be accepted as equals.[/FONT]

wrong , we believe in book which jesus recieved , not the books of john or mathew or whatever , these books (bible) jesus never recieved and never seen

[FONT=&quot]004.150 [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]PICKTHAL: Lo! those who disbelieve in Allah and His messengers, and seek to make distinction between Allah and His messengers, and say: We believe in some and disbelieve in others, and seek to choose a way in between; 004.151: Such are disbelievers in truth; and for disbelievers We prepare a shameful doom. 004.152 But those who believe in Allah and His messengers and make no distinction between any of them, unto them Allah will give their wages; and Allah was ever Forgiving, Merciful.[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]If Muslims do make a distinction between the Qur'an and God's Holy Bible it will result in a "shameful doom" and they will be judged as a disbeliever or an infidel.[/FONT]

bible which exist nowadays not God's holy bible which revealed to jesus (pbuh) from quran's view and from islamic view

[FONT=&quot]The Qur'an claims to confirm the past revelations in many, many verses -- the books that came before it -- and you as a Muslim are commanded to hold it in honor.[/FONT]

we do honor the bible , and we believe that it still contains some ot the truth in it

 

[Secundulus]

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wrong , we believe in book which jesus recieved , not the books of john or mathew or whatever , these books (bible) jesus never recieved and never seen

That's the problem. Jesus did not receive a book. So you base your beliefs on something that never existed.

Jesus is himself the book.

 

[elwill]

In order to get my topic back on track. The Qur'an says:

(Remember) Noah, when he cried (to Us) aforetime: We listened to his (prayer) and delivered him and his family from great distress. -- Surah
21:76

What does this verse mean? It seems to mean that Noah and his complete family were saved from the flood.

True or not?

the family of prophets from God point of viwe not necessery to mean his actual family , the family may be people whom followed the prophets

and i depended on quran itself to make this conclusion

45 - And Noah called upon his Lord, and said: O my Lord surely my son is of my family and thy promise is true, and thou art the justest of judges

after the death of his son ,he prayed to God for his son in this verse
but what was the replying of God to him ?
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46 - He(God) said: O Noah he is not of thy family: for his conduct is unrighteous. so ask not of me that of which thou hast no knowledge I give thee counsel, lest thou act like the ignorant

because unrightious of his son , God didn't consider him one of his family

the same in sunnah , the prophet considered one of his companiones called salman (from faris) as a one of his family
the prophet (pbuh) said about him
Salman is a member of our family, where can one find someone like Salman who is like the Wise Luqman


​

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

it means that Noah prayed to Allah that his people don't believe him so Allah orded him to make the ark .... the story, but n't all his family were saved only the muslims the believers those who had faith
in another verse Allah says

45. And Noah called upon his Lord, and said: "O my Lord! surely my son is of my family! and Thy promise is true, and Thou art the justest of Judges!"
46. He said: "O Noah! He is not of thy family: For his conduct is unrighteous. So ask not of Me that of which thou hast no knowledge! I give thee counsel, lest thou act like the ignorant!" 47. Noah said: "O my Lord! I do seek refuge with Thee, lest I ask Thee for that of which I have no knowledge. And unless thou forgive me and have Mercy on me, I should indeed be lost!"
Surah 11. Hud
it means that not all the family just the believers were saved
by the way according to muslim scholars Noah had four sons, ham , sam, yafth, kannaan. |I hope I wrote it right, kannan who was disbeliever
and about your question of how that Noah heared his son while the float, if you make little efoort and read all the verses talked about the story you will find that it happened in terms first the water brgan to come from the earth then rains then they were ordered to comon the ship then before huge waves and wind came Noah called his son come here with us and because there was still everything littel calm he said I will go to that mountain means that there still mountans didn't covered by water but Noah replied there is no savior from the decree of Allah except him on whom He has mercy.) This means that nothing will be saved today from the command of Allah.
I hope it's clear for you now
thanx for asking

So now you are trying to make it appear the Hebrew Scriptures the Jews use are corrupt and wrong? What is the purpose of adding another one than what is stated in the Hebrew Old Testamemt of the Bible? That is just plain Forgery in my book. Just curious

by the way according to muslim scholars Noah had four sons, ham , sam, yafth, kannaan. |I hope I wrote it right, kannan who was disbeliever

 

[Lulav]

Anyone? It's ashame no one looked, it is very interesting, and answers the question on Noah.

 

[Montalban]

Good question. I've got an answer. It is the same reason why you read the Bible rather than the Talmud or other sources, see Sumerian Myths. It is to maintain your presuppositions of reality.

So you're saying the Sumerians are the source of the 'myth'?

What about the 'myth' appearing in other cultures around the world?

 

[NavyGuy7]

So you're saying the Sumerians are the source of the 'myth'?

What about the 'myth' appearing in other cultures around the world?

I'm inclined to believe tehy aren't teh source of the "myth" so to speak.

 

[NavyGuy7]

45 - And Noah called upon his Lord, and said: O my Lord surely my son is of my family and thy promise is true, and thou art the justest of judges

after the death of his son ,he prayed to God for his son in this verse
but what was the replying of God to him ?
​

46 - He(God) said: O Noah he is not of thy family: for his conduct is unrighteous. so ask not of me that of which thou hast no knowledge I give thee counsel, lest thou act like the ignorant

because unrightious of his son , God didn't consider him one of his family

the same in sunnah , the prophet considered one of his companiones called salman (from faris) as a one of his family
the prophet (pbuh) said about him
Salman is a member of our family, where can one find someone like Salman who is like the Wise Luqman


​

Ah, so that's how you came to that erroneous conclusion. K.
Sorry, i can't believe teh Quran is true.

 

[peaceful soul]

fair
but can you garntee that it wouldn't be moaking or saying incorrect facts about islam quraan and prophet Muhamed peace be upon him ?? I don't think you can

I think that your religion causes you to have an inferiority complex. No one is trying to mock your religion or prophet. I have been on this board long enough to know that LittleLambofJesus is not that type of person to mock. Please lean how to stop seeing anything that you don't like as an attack, mock, or whatever negative thing you see. Perhaps your mastery of English is causing you to not completely understand. If that is true, then I can be a little easier on you for that.

 

[um hamza]

So now you are trying to make it appear the Hebrew Scriptures the Jews use are corrupt and wrong? What is the purpose of adding another one than what is stated in the Hebrew Old Testamemt of the Bible? That is just plain Forgery in my book. Just curious

I never read the hebrew scriptures I don't even know what is the story up there I have wrote the Quraanic story and it's explination from the most famouse book that's it

 

[um hamza]

I think that your religion causes you to have an inferiority complex. No one is trying to mock your religion or prophet. I have been on this board long enough to know that LittleLambofJesus is not that type of person to mock. Please lean how to stop seeing anything that you don't like as an attack, mock, or whatever negative thing you see. Perhaps your mastery of English is causing you to not completely understand. If that is true, then I can be a little easier on you for that.

excuse me, inferiority complex, I think this is the last thing I will think or even feel
listen to me Iam arabian you know what does it mean? it means that we are proud for every thing for bieng muslims arabsand Egyptians = religion , honor civilization
I am not a copmlex I will never be
for my English I do translate the words I didn't understand and Iam doing well in this
thanx