If creationism was ever taught in the science class.

[TheManeki]

This is what I mean when I say atheists supplant God with nature.

Except you seem to constantly come up short on finding evidence supporting your idea that atheists worship nature.

 

[Paconious]

So one can know something "uncertainly"?

Yes, yes we can. Due to the fact that our planet is surrounded by a magnetosphere, we can hypothesize that the center of our planet is actually made of a iron-nickel alloy. Measurements of seismic waves have validated this idea. Of course we could be 100% sure if we would make the trek to the center of the earth, but the nature of our earth makes any travel to the center impossible.

There are things that we cant be certain of because its impossible to be 100% certain of them. Observations made and evidence gathered, allows us to come up with an explanation. An evidence supported explanation.

 

[milkyway]

I'm not confusing anything with anything.

I said "truth" --- tee are you tee aitch.

The old selective quote trick - rarely works, does it?!

Science searches for truth, but leaves proof for mathematicians.

Supernaturalists don't need to search because they can quote from their favourite book of myths and are happy to accept dogma.

Hope that's clearer for you.

 

[Naraoia]

I just wonder how Jesus being the truth prevents other things (like good science stuff) from being true.

 

[AV1611VET]

So, where are the atheist temples and churches?

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What are atheistic prayers?

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Or maybe, just maybe you can't get it in your head that a group of people don't worship anything.

The Bible says otherwise.

 

[AV1611VET]

Except you seem to constantly come up short on finding evidence supporting your idea that atheists worship nature.

The Bible says it --- that settles it.

 

[Paconious]

The Bible says it --- that settles it.

The bible also says the earth is flat. Do you hold that to be true?

 

[TheManeki]

The Bible says it --- that settles it.

If you're talking about the "nature worshipers" in Romans 1, you need to first find some evidence that these nature worshipers are, in fact, atheists. Which, so far, you have failed to do so.

 

[AV1611VET]

The bible also says the earth is flat. Do you hold that to be true?

No, It doesn't --- scienticks taught that centuries ago.

 

[Molal]

AV - do you think that scientific methodology is a religion? If so, on what basis do you propose this understanding?

 

[AV1611VET]

If you're talking about the "nature worshipers" in Romans 1, you need to first find some evidence that these nature worshipers are, in fact, atheists. Which, so far, you have failed to do so.

I didn't say nature worshippers are atheists, I said the Bible says atheists are nature worshippers.

And evidence [or the lack thereof] can take a hike.

 

[Naraoia]

The Bible says it --- that settles it.

IIRC, last time you quoted the Bible to back that up we unanimously decided it doesn't say that.

 

[Paconious]

No, It doesn't --- scienticks taught that centuries ago.

Because of biblical passages, same goes with the geocentric view of our solar system. Isaiah 40:22 reads:

22It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in

Huge difference between a circle and a sphere

 

[AV1611VET]

AV - do you think that scientific methodology is a religion? If so, on what basis do you propose this understanding?

Let's put it this way, if their paradigms are so rigorous that God cannot even be assumed, and that in itself leads to the assumption that God doesn't exist, then yes, scientific methodology is a religion.

Furthermore, the minute a scientific paradigm favors a Biblical truth over one of their own, then it has supplanted God - and is a religion unto itself.

 

[Naraoia]

Let's put it this way, if their paradigms are so rigorous that God cannot even be assumed,

Yup, untested stuff can't just be assumed. At least if you're doing good science.

and that in itself leads to the assumption that God doesn't exist,

There. It doesn't.

then yes, scientific methodology is a religion.

Ergo, it's not.

Furthermore, the minute a scientific paradigm favors a Biblical truth over one of their own, then it has supplanted God - and is a religion unto itself.

Sorry, whaddya mean?

BTW, how would a methodology be a religion? Is praying to get your wishes granted or dancing for rain a religion? Ok, this is splitting hairs, but I can't see a methodology being a religion. I can see it being religious, but a religion?

 

[AV1611VET]

IIRC, last time you quoted the Bible to back that up we unanimously decided it doesn't say that.

I wouldn't expect you to agree with me. You modern-day Hananiahs are all the same.

 

[Molal]

Let's put it this way, if their paradigms are so rigorous that God cannot even be assumed, and that in itself leads to the assumption that God doesn't exist, then yes, scientific methodology is a religion.

Furthermore, the minute a scientific paradigm favors a Biblical truth over one of their own, then it has supplanted God - and is a religion unto itself.

I understand where you are coming from, although I don't agree. The premise of the arguement comes from an assumption that the biblical creation account is literally true. Clearly, if it were literally true (and God doesn't lie) we would find evidence for this...........

The problem of incorporating God into science is that God cannot be tested. There is no way for anyone, even Christians, to ask God a question and know, for sure, that it is answered. You and I have faith that it is answered, but we don't know for sure. Therefore, science has no stance on God, nor does it have a stance on any religion or on any spiritual ruminations. It simply exists (as a tool) to explain natural phenomena and to provide tools to enhance our lives.

One has to be careful not to surplant their biblical interpretation over Christ.

 

[Naraoia]

I wouldn't expect you to agree with me. You modern-day Hananiahs are all the same.

Among all these idiots going against the traffic, AV is the only one driving on the correct side of the road...

 

[AV1611VET]

Huge difference between a circle and a sphere

I'll keep that in mind the next time I visit the Arctic Circle or the Bermuda Triangle.

 

[Paconious]

I'll keep that in mind the next time I visit the Arctic Circle or the Bermuda Triangle.

Cool, i'd like to visit the bermudas definetly. Not sure about the artic. So AV, is the earth a circle or a sphere?