If creationism was ever taught in the science class.

[milkyway]

That's bologna --- even I don't do that.

I don't look to the Bible for the latest facts on Oceanography, nor do I look to the Bible for information on how to drive.

Looking in the Bible for information on how to build a car is like looking in Bill Gate's diary for information on how to build a computer.

That's good to know.

And luckily for all of us, science ignores the religious stories about creation and discovers the truth.

 

[AV1611VET]

... science ...discovers the truth.

No, it doesn't --- in fact, it denies that truth can be obtained, and even goes so far as to brag that one cannot know anything.

 

[Vene]

I do. In my igneous and metamorphic petrology class, one of the girls would make flashcards of every single thing covered in class, and studied them constantly. If you took the cards, picked a random one and asked her the question on it, she could spit out the answer word for word from the card. She averaged 19% on the 3 midterms. She could describe a thin section of a rock perfectly, all textures, minerals, she could define the proceses that caused every texture. But if you asked her how that rock formed, the sequence of events, she was completely stumped.


In all fairness to her, the class average was only 48%, but still. Understanding and being able to apply what you've learned is so much more important than knowing what the book says. AV and Dad could do so well for themselves if they would learn that.

I was thinking of my organic chemistry class when I wrote that. Sure, we had to know individual reactions, but it wasn't enough to say what happens when a ketone is exposed to LiAlH[sub]4[/sub] because most of the questions where asking how to make a specific molecule from 2 carbon molecules or some other specific molecule. Knowing the reaction wasn't enough, I had to recognize when to use it and when other methods worked better. And I don't know how regurgitating information is useful when you have to design an experiment, interpret the results, and present it (with Q&A from the professor and class naturally).

 

[Nathan Poe]

I've regurgitated the Bible in the past -- I found it too hard to swallow.

And might I point out that I'm thrilled that AV has learned a new vocabulary word, and is making the effort to incorporate it into his speech as often as possible -- education should never stop.

 

[AV1611VET]

-- education should never stop.

It's where it starts that you guys have trouble with.

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

You guys are a perfect example of someone who obtains knowledge sans fear of the LORD.

 

[Nathan Poe]

No, it doesn't --- in fact, it denies that truth can be obtained, and even goes so far as to brag that one cannot know anything.

One cannot know anything for certain, because we might learn something new tomorrow -- so don't stop looking.

If the alternative to that is to insist that One who knows the truth about everything wrote it all down in the ancient language of poetry and mythology, and/or that said One can be summoned on demand to regurgitate said truth in a voice audible only to the summoner, well then, I'm going to go with science on this one.

 

[Nathan Poe]

It's where it starts that you guys have trouble with.

We choose not to start with you -- that's avoiding trouble, not having it.

You guys are a perfect example of someone who obtains knowledge sans fear of the LORD.

Thank you. I make a point not to be afraid of other people's boogeymen.

 

[AV1611VET]

One cannot know anything for certain...

So one can know something "uncertainly"?

 

[Nathan Poe]

So one can know something "uncertainly"?

You tell me -- as a human being, are you fallible?

 

[Molal]

So one can know something "uncertainly"?

I think you will find he means one can not know anything (in science) for certain. Ideas, hypotheses, theories are not 100 percent "proven".....ever.

 

[milkyway]

No, it doesn't --- in fact, it denies that truth can be obtained, and even goes so far as to brag that one cannot know anything.

You're confusing 'truth' with 'proof'.

The scientific method is truthful - it proposes hypotheses, looks for evidence, tests the evidence, repeats the experiments and then either endorses or rejects the hypothesis, and so on. It never says 'yep, that's it proved - stop right there, no point researching that any more.' That's left to the supernaturalists and mystics.

 

[AV1611VET]

I think you will find he means one can not know anything (in science) for certain. Ideas, hypotheses, theories are not 100 percent "proven".....ever.

Ya --- that's the point I made in Post 42 --- remember?

No, it doesn't --- in fact, it denies that truth can be obtained, and even goes so far as to brag that one cannot know anything.

 

[AV1611VET]

You're confusing 'truth' with 'proof'.

I'm not confusing anything with anything.

I said "truth" --- tee are you tee aitch.

 

[Molal]

Ya --- that's the point I made in Post 42 --- remember?

Although science cannot prove anything 100 percent, it does not mean that it is not the truth.

The truth being equal to 100 percent is not necessary.

 

[AV1611VET]

Although science cannot prove anything 100 percent, it does not mean that it is not the truth.

The truth being equal to 100 percent is not necessary.

And I'm not going to let you blasphemers get away with saying that Jesus is not the Truth ---

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

--- then turn around and make a statement like this:

And luckily for all of us, science ignores the religious stories about creation and discovers the truth.

Make up your mind --- is science God --- or is Jesus God?

This is what I mean when I say atheists supplant God with nature.

 

[Tomk80]

Science isn't God, but then neither is Jesus. God doesn't exist.

 

[Molal]

And I'm not going to let you blasphemers get away with saying that Jesus is not the Truth ---



--- then turn around and make a statement like this:



Make up your mind --- is science God --- or is Jesus God?

This is what I mean when I say atheists supplant God with nature.

I didn't say Jesus is not the truth. You are conflating science with religion.

I know Jesus is the truth - that is my belief, my faith. But remember, heb 11:1 - faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

 

[Psudopod]

Make up your mind --- is science God --- or is Jesus God?

Can you name anyone here who has claimed science is god? People might deny the devinity of Jesus, but welcome to a world with non Christians in.

 

[Split Rock]

This is what I mean when I say atheists supplant God with nature.

Here is a picture of your god, AVET:

http://webpages.charter.net/chavurathbneinoach/KJVhistory/media/KJV_02.gif

 

[Vene]

This is what I mean when I say atheists supplant God with nature.

So, where are the atheist temples and churches? What are atheistic prayers? Or maybe, just maybe you can't get it in your head that a group of people don't worship anything.