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I will once again have to be the one to defend the EP.

I truly understand all the concerns but so far I haven't seen anything that justifies the attacks to the EP. Meeting with the Pope obviously needs no approval by any council, any bishop can meet with anyone he wants.

As far as the document goes, its content is something I can basically agree to. It is saying nothing that we didn't know and it of course does not say anything about the EP, the way MOscow implies. Quite the contrary, while recognizing primacy it contains the phrase that the Orthodox do not recognise primacy in the manner of jurisdiction.

Moscow and Constantinople have a lot of things to talk about, both sides with their faults and merits. I think it would be best for us laymen to not take sides in this. And please do remember that Constantinople is the very heart of Greek Orthodoxy, and it is being openly persecuted. When I say Greek, I really do not mean that in a nationalistic sense but as a carrier of culture, language, musi and ethos of the Church for more than a millenia. It is precious and should be guarded.

Moscow hasn't helped in that respect at all and neither has Greece I am ashamed to say, although this seems to be changing with the new archbishop.

In any case, this is Church politics and let us all be careful not to speak ill of a patriarch of the Church because of something we have heard and repeated.
I agree.
 
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Even better than chocolate is baklava.

I went to the Valley Greek Festival on Saturday and together we bought an entire tray of assorted goodies along with two trays of our favorite selections - chocolate baklava and lemon cake.

My fiancee makes THE BEST baklava!
 
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Personally, I like baklawa (the Syrian version of baklava) made with rosewater syrup instead of the honey. It's not as messy or as sweet (so I can eat more at one time). Our women's group makes it twice a year as fundraisers. We make a lot of money when we make it before Christmas and Pascha. I still have one 6-piece container left. Matushka told us once when we were both on the packaging team that if we dropped any, we had to eat it. We all made sure we dropped a few pieces.
 
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I wanted to go get some more because we shared our tray with our parishioners, but my husband said it is too expensive to buy some as it costs over $5.00 a gallon for gas now.
I had a gyro and a piece of baklava yesterday when I was working at our food booth (for our church) at a fair called Territory Days in the old part of the City of Colorado Springs. I spent about 4 hours making gyros and cutting and putting baklava in indivdual mini cardboard holder thingies. lol This is the second time I've had baklava. I was in grade school the first time. Then I couldn't eat it when I developed hypoglycemia. Now, I'm able to eat a small piece. Hee, hee. The more I eat it, the better it tastes. :D
 
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Personally, I like baklawa (the Syrian version of baklava) made with rosewater syrup instead of the honey. It's not as messy or as sweet (so I can eat more at one time). Our women's group makes it twice a year as fundraisers. We make a lot of money when we make it before Christmas and Pascha. I still have one 6-piece container left. Matushka told us once when we were both on the packaging team that if we dropped any, we had to eat it. We all made sure we dropped a few pieces.

My fiancee is allergic to honey and thus she makes baklava with sugar water, and it is very, very tasty.
 
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Personally, I like baklawa (the Syrian version of baklava) made with rosewater syrup instead of the honey. It's not as messy or as sweet (so I can eat more at one time). Our women's group makes it twice a year as fundraisers. We make a lot of money when we make it before Christmas and Pascha. I still have one 6-piece container left. Matushka told us once when we were both on the packaging team that if we dropped any, we had to eat it. We all made sure we dropped a few pieces.

That sounds wonderful. Can you post the recipe? I'm not a big fan of baklava precisely because it's so sweet it hurts to eat it. Baklawa sounds good. :)
 
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That sounds wonderful. Can you post the recipe? I'm not a big fan of baklava precisely because it's so sweet it hurts to eat it. Baklawa sounds good. :)

If she does not have the recipe, my fiancee can give it to you.
 
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Please people let us pray and rejoice for our unity in faith... politics have no place among brothers and sisters.... :(

How can you say we have unity in faith when there is a huge linguistic and cultural divide in America that makes it very difficult for converts to pray with ethnic Orthodox because we do not speak your languages and know your customs? If there is unity in faith why did a very well connected Greek gentleman in NE Ohio tell me the only way I would ever be able to write icons for anyone in the Greek community would be to have someone in the Greek community introduce me to well place people in that community? I don't see the unity in faith that you are talking about in this country. So that you don't think I am picking on you, it is not just the Greeks who do this. The Russians, Ukranians, Serbs, Middle Easterners, etc are all just as guilt as the Greeks are of this!!! If we want to learn anything at all from the Roman Church we ought to learn how to integrate our parishes from being ethnic to trans-ethnic parishes just like Rome was forced to do back in the mid to late 1800s. What I see are almost a dozen different episcopates which are working against each other, not with each other. That to me is scandalous!
 
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Beer is bad for you...............^_^..............the sugars and sugar alcohols, etc. Not good on the waist line either.................^_^ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just messing with you guys! ^_^

Beer is bad for you?
 
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Great! My thread has degenerated into a conversation I can't even have an informed opinion on for another two years (if I don't move to Canada first).

MeMeME!!

:)

You don't have to move there. Just go there. You're close enough :) Just don't drive back right away ;)
 
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You don't have to move there. Just go there. You're close enough :) Just don't drive back right away ;)

You have a point, LOL. I better get there before you need a passport to cross the bridge. They're like...100 dollars...do you know how many packs of Ramen that is??
 
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You have a point, LOL. I better get there before you need a passport to cross the bridge. They're like...100 dollars...do you know how many packs of Ramen that is??

Well, in my days at Central, if you went on sale day, like 1000. :)
 
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