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[Iskra]

Are you ignoring my questions Nadiine?

 

[D'Ann]

It can never be murder if its legal.

It is murder in the eyes of God. All life is precious and when human beings play God and kill an innocent baby... sorry, it doesn't matter if it is legal here on earth, it is still murder in God's eyes. Thy shall not kill...

this is what this all boils down to, which we all knew is the spiritual source of the conflict. This is the basic division in spirit.

The god being defined is not the god I ascribe to - the worldviews differ drastically becuz of that. I'll continue to stand where I'm at.
Biblically, I'm being taught here that the ways of the world are right and that I decide in myself what is moral when my Bible says otherwise.
So.... no thanks.

Another word - Reletivism.

 

[IamRedeemed]

It is suitable on ANY thread in a Christian Forum and
is not in question by any blood bought child of God
as they know their Shepherd's voice.

"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them and they follow me."
Jesus.

Not to be rude, but maybe the discussion on whether the Bible is the prime source for knowledge about God is suitable for another thread.

 

[*Starlight*]

It is suitable on ANY thread in a Christian Forum and
is not in question by any blood bought child of God.

What a nasty personal attack on everyone who disagrees with you...

 

[Nadiine]

It is murder in the eyes of God. All life is precious and when human beings play God and kill an innocent baby... sorry, it doesn't matter if it is legal here on earth, it is still murder in God's eyes. Thy shall not kill...

Another word - Reletivism.

I have another word for it too, but it mite be a CF violation to state it.

Yes, all I see here is them deciding that whatever "culture" does is right... to even include abortion.... well, that means the death penalty for heinous criminals is "RIGHT" too since it's practiced.

And that illegal drugs are wrong (incl. pot) becuz they aren't legal...
And crossing the borders of a country are wrong and sinful becuz it's illegal.... so illegal aliens are in sin.

This can be turned around.
But in the end, they live by worldly standards, not the standards from God's word... need I say more?

 

[Nadiine]

What a nasty personal attack on everyone who disagrees with you...

no more nasty than demanding that the Bible isn't God's word - it implies that Christians who live by those teachings are following a false god or teachings by liars or loons.

You're disagreeing with any bible believing Christian here to impose YOUR personal standards on us - without any foundation to base those views on except personal opinion you feel as a "self proclaimed Christian".

You disagree with scripture authority essentially, not us. And that MUST be brought to the light for the sake of the readers of these forums; otherwise, you have 2 completely opposite people claiming the same God while promoting completely opposite beliefs on God and social worldviews.

There is a reason for the division and this is the source of it.

 

[IamRedeemed]

Jesus didn't make any "new" commandments.

Understand and accepting by God's standard that sin is what it is, and condemning
someone to death by stoning are two different things, therefore your application
of scripture is in err.

And yes, all that Paul said in context except for the statements that
he makes sure are noted are his opinions, are from God.

Even Peter, an Apostle of God, full of the Holy Ghost made a point to mentioned that some of
Paul's teachings can be hard to understand at times, so a person who doesn't even believe
the Bible is from God, surely is not going to just read everything Paul wrote and have complete
understanding, without the help of the Holy Spirit to lead and guide him or her into all truth.
But any who do not believe the Bible IS the Word of God, show evidence in that fact alone,
that they possess no such help, because the Lord's sheep hear His voice.
They know it, when they hear it, and they follow it. (John 10:27)

Nadiine... Many people simply don't believe that the Bible is necesarily anything to do with "God's standards of right and wrong"... even the Christians amongst us. Personally, I think God's standards of right and wrong are entirely encapsulated by Jesus' new comandment... which failed to mention nudity in any way.

I asked in a different thread for you to clarify something for me... do you believe that the Bible in general, and the writings of Paul in particular, are the drect "word of God", and literally inerrant?Pretty sure that Jesus said something about "Judge not, lest you be judged"? Vengeance is the lords alone, and let him without sin cast the first stone? I might be wrong, but they seem like a fairly good place to start when explaining why we shouldn't judge others, especially about arbitrary stuff like boobs.

 

[*Starlight*]

no more nasty than demanding that the Bible isn't God's word - it implies that Christians who live by those teachings are following a false god or teachings by liars or loons.

You're disagreeing with any bible believing Christian here to impose YOUR personal standards on us - without any foundation to base those views on except personal opinion you feel as a "self proclaimed Christian".

You disagree with scripture authority essentially, not us. And that MUST be brought to the light for the sake of the readers of these forums; otherwise, you have 2 completely opposite people claiming the same God while promoting completely opposite beliefs on God and social worldviews.

There is a reason for the division and this is the source of it.

I have no idea what you mean here. People here disagree with each other, and that's normal, because people have different beliefs. Telling someone "I disagree with you, because..." is perfectly ok. When I say that I disagree with someone I DON'T mean that they are following a false god or anything like that, I only mean that, in my opinion, they are wrong about something. But telling someone "I disagree with you, therefore you're not a true Christian" is only a nasty personal attack and nothing else.

 

[IamRedeemed]

Beeengo!

no more nasty than demanding that the Bible isn't God's word - it implies that Christians who live by those teachings are following a false god or teachings by liars or loons.

You're disagreeing with any bible believing Christian here to impose YOUR personal standards on us - without any foundation to base those views on except personal opinion you feel as a "self proclaimed Christian".

You disagree with scripture authority essentially, not us. And that MUST be brought to the light for the sake of the readers of these forums; otherwise, you have 2 completely opposite people claiming the same God while promoting completely opposite beliefs on God and social worldviews.

There is a reason for the division and this is the source of it.

 

[IamRedeemed]

Let me try to make this simple.

2 + 2 = 4

Those that agree with that are right.
Those that don't are wrong.

The Bible IS the Word of God.
Those that hear His voice know this.
(John 10:27)

Therefore those who come into agreement with God,
according to His Word and conform their ways to His are right.

Those that don't and rather follow their own paths are wrong.

What Nadiine is saying is that you have nothing to base your
disagreement on from a Biblical standpoint. You make your
own rules, according to your own feelings, regardless of what God
has said.

Therefore it is impossible for both positions to be coming
from the same "god" unless God is Schizophrenic, which of course
is absolutely not the case, der.

I have no idea what you mean here. People here disagree with each other, and that's normal, because people have different beliefs. Telling someone "I disagree with you, because..." is perfectly ok. When I say that I disagree with someone I DON'T mean that they are following a false god or anything like that, I only mean that, in my opinion, they are wrong about something. But telling someone "I disagree with you, therefore you're not a true Christian" is only a nasty personal attack and nothing else.

 

[Angel4Truth]

But telling someone "I disagree with you, therefore you're not a true Christian"
is only a nasty personal attack and nothing else.

Funny that isnt what I read.She didnt say what you just attributed to her. Most post moderinists that dont agree the whole bible is the word of God also deny the blood is what saves them- so why would it be insulting to be told those of us who attribute being blood bought (in other words revere the entire bibles truths) would understand her points? I see truth no insult directed to anyone.

Why is it ok for you to put words in someone elses mouth? I call that a personal attack. I also notice when reverse behavior is called on a particular group - any response starts with " I dont understand/i dont know what you mean/who me?" when whats happening is clearly understood by anyone who reads the posts.

 

[Iskra]

Let me try to make this simple.

2 + 2 = 4

Those that agree with that are right.
Those that don't are wrong.

The Bible IS the Word of God.
Those that hear His voice know this.
(John 10:27)

Therefore those who come into agreement with God
and conform their ways to His are right.

Those that don't and rather follow their own paths are wrong.

What Nadiine is saying is that you have nothing to base your
disagreement on from a Biblical standpoint. You make your
own rules, according to your own feelings, regardless of what God
has said.

Therefore both it is impossible for both positions to be coming
from the same God unless God is Schizophrenic.

And you are the one to interpret it?

Be real, there are several paralell readings of the Bible and you don't which one is right more than anybody else.

 

[*Starlight*]

The Bible IS the Word of God.

That's what makes your argument fail. What you're stating here isn't a fact, but only your personal belief.

Funny that isnt what I read.She didnt say what you just attributed to her. Most post moderinists that dont agree the whole bible is the word of God also deny the blood is what saves them- so why would it be insulting to be told those of us who attribute being blood bought (in other words revere the entire bibles truths) would understand her points? I see truth no insult directed to anyone.

The difference is that she says that everyone who's not agreeing with her is disagreeing with God, as you can see in her previous post here...

Why is it ok for you to put words in someone elses mouth? I call that a personal attack. I also notice when reverse behavior is called on a particular group - any response starts with " I dont understand/i dont know what you mean/who me?" when whats happening is clearly understood by anyone who reads the posts.

 

[Angel4Truth]

That's what makes your argument fail. What you're stating here isn't a fact, but only your personal belief.


The difference is that she says that everyone who's not agreeing with her is disagreeing with God, as you can see in her previous post here...

Wrong she said blood bought agrees with her - you and several others have stated that you dont consider yourself blood bought with your own mouth - from your post #290 in this thread :

Why would nakedness be something shameful? It's only shameful to people living in a culture where they are taught that it's shameful... but there are no natural reasons for that.

As for blood sacrifices, I don't believe in them. Many of the people who wrote the Bible probably did, but people in ancient cultures believed in a lot of weird things...

Since you dont consider yourself blood bought why would it be an insult - a blood bought believer is one who believes the BIBLE is the word of God and that Christs blood is what paid for their sin and that without the shedding of blood there is no remission.

According to your own words that isnt you nor would it be any post modernist here who dont believe the bible.

 

[IamRedeemed]

You mean there are false doctrines and false translations available?
This is I agree with, but those who have been purchased by the shed
blood of the Lamb of God have the power of the Holy Spirit working
within them that enables them to discern truth from lies.

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.
Jesus.

And you are the one to interpret it?

Be real, there are several paralell readings of the Bible and you don't which one is right more than anybody else.

 

[*Starlight*]

Wrong she said blood bought agrees with her - you and several others have stated that you dont consider yourself blood bought with your own mouth - from your post #290 in this thread : Since you dont consider yourself blood bought why would it be an insult - a blood bought believer is one who believes the BIBLE is the word of God and that Christs blood is what paid for their sin and that without the shedding of blood there is no remission.

According to your own words that isnt you nor would it be any post modernist here who dont believe the bible.

That's true, I don't believe in blood sacrifices. But she repeatedly says that everyone's who disagrees with her opinions is against God.

 

[IamRedeemed]

No, it does not make my argument fail.
Those who have been purchased by the shed blood of the Lamb
are the Lord's sheep. His sheep hear His voice, He knows them
and they follow Him.

(John 10:27)
My Sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.
Jesus

That's what makes your argument fail. What you're stating here isn't a fact, but only your personal belief.


The difference is that she says that everyone who's not agreeing with her is disagreeing with God, as you can see in her previous post here...

 

[Nadiine]

I have no idea what you mean here. People here disagree with each other, and that's normal, because people have different beliefs. Telling someone "I disagree with you, because..." is perfectly ok. When I say that I disagree with someone I DON'T mean that they are following a false god or anything like that, I only mean that, in my opinion, they are wrong about something. But telling someone "I disagree with you, therefore you're not a true Christian" is only a nasty personal attack and nothing else.

I'm talkng about SPIRITUAL LIKENESSES. There are NONE HERE other than "claims" of being "Christian".
Biblically, this isn't accurate to say the least. Biblically Christians have more in common than they don't have in common which is BASED on scripture principles and acceptance of that Bible.

The differences being relayed here are diametrical and scale everything from spiritual to social both. We have zero in common as self proclaiming Christians.

What I'm saying is, I'm in compliance with and adhering to the Christian bible that has been accepted for and by Christianity (BECUZ IT HAS SET THE DEFINITION AND STANDARD OF WHAT ONE IS) since the OT days by followers of YHWY who had OT parchments of the patriarchs. You deny even those.

What YOUR standard of "christian" is, is not the one I find in the bible - I am basing mine on the CHRISTIAN GOD portrayed there.
And frankly I'm stumped as to how someone who would claim to follow Allah can claim they're "Muslim" yet reject the Koran/Quran entirely (WHICH DEFINES ALLAH & SETS THE STANDARDS OF THAT RELIGION) and instead, just design their own religious beliefs according to their personal opinions that completely counter what Muhammed wrote as truth from Allah as his "inspired prophet" to relay his teachings.
By standard and definition, that is NOT a MUSLIM! It's actually a 'cult' or 'sect' - this is what Mormonism & JW's have done in recreating scriptures to design their own religion and god other than what is taught by scripture.

As I read all your posts in these areas, you are in support and promotion of everything the world does and lives like - including agnostics & atheists. I see no difference in lifestyle or worldviews other than to "claim" a Christian God - a God that you deny by the mandte of the written Holy Book for the religion.

It's more than confusing to outsiders who read these boards. Either you are right or we are - it cant' be both when we're completely at opposite spectrums of belief can it?

 

[*Starlight*]

You mean there are false doctrines and false translations available?
This is I agree with, but those who have been purchased by the shed
blood of the Lamb of God have the power of the Holy Spirit working
within them that enables them to discern truth from lies.

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.
Jesus.

Just because you believe that you've been "purchased by the shed
blood of the Lamb of God have the power of the Holy Spirit working
within" doesn't make you perfect and infallible.

 

[Angel4Truth]

That's true, I don't believe in blood sacrifices. But she repeatedly says that everyone's who disagrees with her opinions is disagreeing with God.

No she said any blood bought believer agrees with her. You are twisting what she said and putting words in her mouth and pushing it.