Judge orders further distribution of Expelled stopped

[Washington]

I call shenanigans.

"The song includes the following lyrics" and "The makers used... a 10 word sample" ... it strongly implies but doesn't say those were the lyrics used, and that's not 10 words. I was working under the assumption that the lyrics used in expelled from imagine were the anti-religious lyrics, can anyone confirm?

edit:

according to this source, the actual lyrics used in expelled:



That's the 10 words of imagine used in expelled "Nothing to kill or die for, And no religion too."

Yeah, it's stupid, but as i said, it's not like they're using the song because they like it, they are criticizing the atheism that is portrayed in the song. IMO this qualifies as fair use, but i'm not a lawyer.

Nice find

If this is the context in which these lyrics are used then I don't think Ono has much of a case.

 

[AV1611VET]

So they compare evolutionists to nazis and say we are responsible for the Holocaust, and in return we hope that their film fails and they lose money.

You really need to check your bias if it skews your sense of right and wrong so dramatically that you can't even tell which is which.

Peter

Hey --- how does it feel?

You guys wanna blame the Crusades on us, then whine when we blame the Holocaust on you.

I can honestly say, that so far, everything you guys say about us Christians comes right back to you guys in spades.

 

[AV1611VET]

Well, I haven't seen this movie, and I don't even know what Yoko Lennon is all upset about; but somehow I don't envision you guys really concerned about copyright infringement. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

What Yoko is upset about is using a number without paying for it, when making money of that number by using it in a film. The issue is whether the clip they used of the number falls in the fair-use policies. Don't know how that will turn out though, Expelled may have a case for fair use here.

And you'd be wrong, at least in my case. I've worked with copyright a bit when I was still making music and have spent quite some time figuring out copyright laws for associations I was in and an ICT company I worked for (since copyright also applies to websites). I'm one of those idiots who even buys movies and series on DVD instead of downloading them.

And before you come with the next accusation, if a film from the evolution side would not respect copyright, I would hope they'd get sued just as well.

I still stand behind my post.

 

[AintNoMonkey]

You guys wanna blame the Crusades on us, then whine when we blame the Holocaust on you.

Christians were responsible for the crusades, as they were ordered by the pope and supported by many christians.

Evolution and evolution supporters were not responsible for the holocaust, regardless of what you and other may think. The holocaust was the action of a group of people looking for a scapegoat for their troubles, and looking for a motive. Their scapegoat was jews, and their motive was a wildly misinterpreted theory that has no realiton to the scientific theory of evolution. It is interesting to note that most german citizens who supported the holocaust and were responsible for most of its atrocities were christians more familiar with the bible and to writings of Martin Luther than they were with any theory of evolution, scientific or otherwise.

 

[Vene]

Hey --- how does it feel?

You guys wanna blame the Crusades on us, then whine when we blame the Holocaust on you.

I can honestly say, that so far, everything you guys say about us Christians comes right back to you guys in spades.

You do realize that the Nazis burned Darwin's work, right?
link

 

[AV1611VET]

Christians were responsible for the crusades, as they were ordered by the pope and supported by many christians.

As I have shown from Scripture --- they did it in spite of the Bible, not in respect to It; and where did the Pope get the authority to order Christians anywhere - much less into battle?

Evolution and evolution supporters were not responsible for the holocaust, regardless of what you and other may think.

And Bible-obeying Christians were not responsible for the Crusades, regardless of what you and others may think.

 

[Vene]

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http://www.library.arizona.edu/exhibits/burnedbooks/documents.htm

 

[MoonLancer]

Hey --- how does it feel?

You guys wanna blame the Crusades on us, then whine when we blame the Holocaust on you.

Show evidence please.

 

[AV1611VET]

Show evidence please.

Of what?

 

[AintNoMonkey]

As I have shown from Scripture --- they did it in spite of the Bible, not in respect to It; and where did the Pope get the authority to order Christians anywhere - much less into battle?



And Bible-obeying Christians were not responsible for the Crusades, regardless of what you and others may think.

That's a matter of your opinion. The fact is that they participated in the crusade with the belief that it was what God wanted them to do. It's the thought that counts, not what you say about them that counts, regardless of what you may think.

A question for you: If god told you to do something that was in direct contridiction to the bible, would you do it? And I know what you're going to say 'bible is gods word, cant contridict it, blab blah'. Set that aside and work in the hypothetical to answer this question.

 

[MoonLancer]

As I have shown from Scripture --- they did it in spite of the Bible, not in respect to It; and where did the Pope get the authority to order Christians anywhere - much less into battle?

And Bible-obeying Christians were not responsible for the Crusades, regardless of what you and others may think.

keep telling your self that, maybe it will become true. Now here in reality, we know that the Pope had an army and in fact DID order all kinds of troops into battle. What do you think a crusader was?

The pope had a nationless army at his disposal and used it. Christianity was brought to us by the point of a sword, not by the words of a martyr.

Christanity did its best to wipe all other religions from the face of the earth. Islam wasn't like the druids sadly. I would have very much liked a double KO.

two words: "Children's Crusade"... religion is sad.

 

[AV1611VET]

That's a matter of your opinion.

No, it's not --- it's a matter of literal interpretation of Jesus' own words - irregardless of my opinion.

The Bible says it --- that settles it --- whether I agree or not.

The fact is that they participated in the crusade with the belief that it was what God wanted them to do.

Who cares what they wanted? It wasn't what God wanted, though. And if you think it was --- please show me chapter and verse.

It's the thought that counts, not what you say about them that counts, regardless of what you may think.

Tell that to Nadab and Abihu (Leviticus 10), or Uzzah (2 Samuel 6:6-8).

A question for you: If god told you to do something that was in direct contridiction to the bible, would you do it? And I know what you're going to say 'bible is gods word, cant contridict it, blab blah'. Set that aside and work in the hypothetical to answer this question.

Hypothetically --- I'd say, "Get thee behind me, Satan."

 

[AV1611VET]

keep telling your self that, maybe it will become true. Now here in reality, we know that the Pope had an army and in fact DID order all kinds of troops into battle. What do you think a crusader was?

I asked where the Pope got his authority. He surely didn't order Independent Fundamental Baptists into battle --- they knew the Scriptures too well.

 

[DeathMagus]

I asked where the Pope got his authority. He surely didn't order Independent Fundamental Baptists into battle --- they didn't exist before the 15th century.

Fixed it for you.

 

[MoonLancer]

No, it's not --- it's a matter of literal interpretation of Jesus' own words - irregardless of my opinion.

The Bible says it --- that settles it --- whether I agree or not.

I agree. Stone the gays. If you work on Sunday, stone them too. I agree, The Bible says it --- that settles it

 

[MoonLancer]

I asked where the Pope got his authority. He surely didn't order Independent Fundamental Baptists into battle --- they knew the Scriptures too well.

didn't the Catholics and the parodists kill each other alot? where was Jesus then?

 

[AV1611VET]

Fixed it for you.

Excuse me?

The Apostles were Fundamental Independent Baptists.

Not in name, but in doctrine.

We actually got [part of] our name from our antagonists.

 

[AV1611VET]

I agree. Stone the gays. If you work on Sunday, stone them too. I agree, The Bible says it --- that settles it

This is why I ignore 95% of your posts.

 

[AintNoMonkey]

Who cares what they wanted? It wasn't what God wanted, though.

Prove it. And you can't say 'it's in the bible', and you know that the bible is gods word because it says so. That's circular logic, and it's not allowed.
If you want to answer this question properly, you have to either prove that the bible is gods word without using the bible itself (in doing this you would prove god, so good luck), or prove it using a source other than the bible.

Hypothetically --- I'd say, "Get thee behind me, Satan."

Once again, you fail. I'm certain that you understand the question and are being stubborn because you can't bring yourself to say it.

EIther that, or your god is Satan now. Hmm.

Anyway, how about you try again to answer my question straight? Here it is again:

A question for you: If god told you to do something that was in direct contridiction to the bible, would you do it? And I know what you're going to say 'bible is gods word, cant contridict it, blab blah'. Set that aside and work in the hypothetical to answer this question.

 

[AV1611VET]

Prove it. And you can't say 'it's in the bible', and you know that the bible is gods word because it says so. That's circular logic, and it's not allowed.
If you want to answer this question properly, you have to either prove that the bible is gods word without using the bible itself (in doing this you would prove god, so good luck), or prove it using a source other than the bible.




Once again, you fail. I'm certain that you understand the question and are being stubborn because you can't bring yourself to say it.

EIther that, or your god is Satan now. Hmm.

Anyway, how about you try again to answer my question straight? Here it is again:

I'm through wasting my time with you guys here.

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