Jesus and Epigenetics

[guzman]

Check out the following two short, yet fascinating audio clips by Dr. Mercola. He backs up what I've been saying for months now, that epigenetics -- and more specificially, the mind -- is rewriting the rules of biology and replacing genes as the controllers of life.

If you, or anyone you know has cancer, you might be sure and take a listen, as it rewrites all those rules as well.

Of course all evos can do is sit back and deny this stuff because it flatly contradicts their reductionist, materialistic non-scientific religion otherwise known as neo-darwinism.

What's particularly cool is that the act of believing is becoming known to be a powerful player in biology, specifically with the expression of genes. Evos hate the mind...it's their arch enemy. And they especially hate the idea that the mind generates traits because the mind is not scientific enough for them and it contradicts their philosophy that the random actions of genes control everything.

Anyway, check out the clips...the second is particularly interesting, as Dr. Mercola even brings Jesus into the mix. Here are a few quotes from the clips:



"Epigenetics: how your mind controls your genes."

"There are no limitations imposed by genes"

"We can create anything from these genes."

"We are not limited by any particular gene."

"cancer is derived from epigenetic control and not from a gene."

"Through the placebo effect, epigenetics can be responsible for healing."

"Perception controls epigenetics."

"The reality is, when Jesus actually said you could renew your life with beliefs, this now in the understanding of epigenetics is profoundly true."

"The places where Jesus couldn't perform miracles were the places people didn't believe Him."

"Perception controls biology."

http://www.need2know.eu/?p=637


you evos particularly need to pay attention to the "nocebo" effect, as your negative beliefs are destroying you from the inside, maybe even contributing to your premature death.

 

[Tomk80]

"Dr" Mercola = Hack, quack and liar.

 

[flatworm]

Guzman, you claim that the mind controls our genes.

If this is true, then change your sex by sheer will alone, then get back to us. As an alternative, try turning into a bear, or growing wings.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

"The places where Jesus couldn't perform miracles were the places people didn't believe Him."

I thought that was Uri Geller.

 

[guzman]

"Dr" Mercola = Hack, quack and liar.

is that all you've got? I told you that all evos could do is deny it.

http://www.ernestrossi.com/about_psychobiology_of_gene_expression.htm#Part%201:%20The%20Psychobiology%20of%20Gene%20Expression%20in%20Human%20Experience


Chapter 1 we develop a new way of looking at the relation between genes and human experiencing that is very different from the academic disciplines of behavioral genetics, evolutionary psychology, and sociobiology. We create the new discipline of psychosocial genomics: How the subjective experiences of human consciousness, our perception of free will, behavior, and social dynamics can modulate gene expression, and vise versa. We carefully explore the new terrain of the Human Genome Project for the kinds of research that can generate a new understanding of the relationships between Gaia, genes, mind, and the matter of life. We orient ourselves to how we can use this data to create a new vision of the essential role of art, culture and the humanities as well as psychotherapy and the healing arts in facilitating the human condition.

Now that the structural phase of the Human Genome Project is coming to a successful conclusion, attention is shifting to the process of annotation: How does the society of our genes interact with external events to creatively replay the dramas of our daily experiences? We now know that significant life events can turn on genes that lead to the synthesis of proteins, which, in turn, generate new neurons and connections in our brain. Our daily and hourly life experiences, thoughts, emotions, and behavior can modulate gene expression and neurogenesis in ways that actually can change the physical structure of the brain.

In Chapter 3 we explore another special class of genes that are responsive to psychosocial cues and significant life events. These “experience or activity dependent genes” generate the synthesis of proteins and neurogenesis in the brain that encodes new memory, learning, and behavior. Our daily and hourly life experiences, sensations, thoughts, images, emotions, and behavior can modulate gene expression and neurogenesis in ways that actually can change the physical structure and functioning of our brain

 

[Tomk80]

I've been following Mercola's newsletter now for the past months. He is a fraud, liar and hack. That's what I've got, nothing more is needed.

Come up with someone credible next time.

 

[The Nihilist]

Hey guys, look! guzman bought into some new age crap and now he's arguing with us! Hilarious!

 

[Psudopod]

We now know that significant life events can turn on genes that lead to the synthesis of proteins, which, in turn, generate new neurons and connections in our brain.

Have you got a refence for this claim?

 

[guzman]

Is that all you evos have is to call people liars. You're like children.

http://www.amazon.com/Genie-Your-Ge...bs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1209825703&sr=1-1

Author Dawson Church applies the insights of the new field of Epigenetics (epi=above, i.e. control above the level of the gene) to healing. Citing hundreds of scientific studies, he shows how beliefs and emotions can trigger the expression of DNA strands. He focuses on a class of genes called Immediate Early Genes or IEGs. These genes turn on within a few seconds of a stimulus. They can be triggered by thoughts or emotions ("I loved that unexpected gift of roses Bill gave me" or "I'm so mad about what Uncle John said at the Christmas party"). Many IEGs are regulatory genes turn on other genes that affect specific aspects of our immune system, such as the production of white blood cells that destroy attacking bacteria and viruses. Epigenetics thus influences our health every day.

 

[guzman]

So do we have 3 liars here?: Mercola, Dawson Church And Ernest L. Rossi?????

 

[guzman]

Life is controlled by the mind...not only in humans, but in fish, mice, birds, reptiles and every other living organism:

http://www.bigskycichlids.com/coloration_article.htm

Coloration is controlled by the endocrine and nervous system, but dietary sources of pigment also play a role in determining color in fishes. The endocrine and nervous system both influence coloration in fish. The pituitary gland secretes hormones that direct the production and storage of pigments throughout the life of a fish, and particularly as maturity is reached. Pigment production and storage often increases at the onset of maturity. Many species use color to provide camouflage and attract a mate. Fish of the family Cichlidae are particularly known for brilliant coloration of mature males. The autonomic nervous system directs rapid color changes in response to stimuli such as a predator or an aggressive tankmate. Anyone who has observed fish knows this color change can occur at a spectacular rate

 

[guzman]

All you people who think life is controlled by genes and that adaptive traits arise accidentally out of nowhere sure have been hoodwinked by the likes of Dawkins and company. They've done everything they can hide, deny and bury the mind.

 

[Psudopod]

I've no doubt that a person's metal state can affect their health. Happy people are often healthier that those who are stressed or depressed. But this means they are more resistant to mild infections and recover from them more quickly.

What I want to see is evidence (not someone's assertion) that a) this has an effect on conditions like cancer; and b) the mind is capable of generating traits.

 

[Tomk80]

So do we have 3 liars here?: Mercola, Dawson Church And Ernest L. Rossi?????

Mercola I'm pretty sure about, given the way he is peddling his products. The other two I'd first need to read what they really say, instead of what you quote from them.

Whatever you say about epigenetics in the OP runs contrary to what we know from the research on epigenetics. For example, epigenetics operates within the constraints posed by the genes you have. Furthermore, as far as I am aware about the actual research on epigenetics, it is responsive to the environment and not to emotions. If the statements Church and Rossi make run contrary to those statements, they are most likely wrong. I haven't read there stuff, so can't call them liars (yet). I'll need more certainty for that.

 

[guzman]

I've no doubt that a person's metal state can affect their health. Happy people are often healthier that those who are stressed or depressed. But this means they are more resistant to mild infections and recover from them more quickly.

What I want to see is evidence (not someone's assertion) that a) this has an effect on conditions like cancer; and b) the mind is capable of generating traits.

what would you take as evidence?

 

[guzman]

Mercola I'm pretty sure about, given the way he is peddling his products. The other two I'd first need to read what they really say, instead of what you quote from them.

Whatever you say about epigenetics in the OP runs contrary to what we know from the research on epigenetics. For example, epigenetics operates within the constraints posed by the genes you have. Furthermore, as far as I am aware about the actual research on epigenetics, it is responsive to the environment and not to emotions. If the statements Church and Rossi make run contrary to those statements, they are most likely wrong. I haven't read there stuff, so can't call them liars (yet). I'll need more certainty for that.

you obviously missed it in the audio how it is that the output of the genes is what's important -- which is controlled by epigenetics. Therefore you are not a prisoner of any gene you may or may not have.

It makes ToE -- which is a theory that says specific genes code specific proteins which produce specific traits.-- little more than a laughable joke. Too bad, evolutionists, your theory has just been smoked.

 

[Tomk80]

what would you take as evidence?

peer reviewed research.

 

[guzman]

peer reviewed research.

saying what...showing what. Since when does science do such experiments on the mind? They hate the mind, remember? They try to hide it.....there will never be any such studies because Big science is full of frauds and crooks.


Not everyone with cancer dies. Some die, some don't. Yet the treatments, or non-treatments in some cases, are the same. So something else must be making the difference. How do you chart whateve that is?

 

[Tomk80]

you obviously missed it in the audio how it is that the output of the genes is what's important -- which is controlled by epigenetics. You are not a prisoner of any gene you may or may not have.

Yes you are, because epigenetics influences the amount of a certain substance that is expressed. Whether you can make this substance in the first place is controlled by genes. If you do not have the gene to produce the substance, epigenetics is not going to enable you to make it. Very simple, very basic. Same way, you are not able to consciously influence the expression of a certain gene. You do not have that amount of control.

It makes ToE -- which is a theory that says specific genes code specific proteins which produce specific traits.-- little more than a laughable joke. Too bad, evolutionists, your theory has just been smoked.

No, you use a valid concept (epigenetics) and distort it beyond all recognition. This does not mean the theory of evolution has been smoked, it only means that you have either no understanding of the process you promote or are purposefully distorting it.

 

[Tomk80]

saying what...showing what. Since when does science do such experiments on the mind?

For a long time. For example in placebo controlled research or the research done on the influence of mental state on chances of survival. There is even a whole study of the mind, called psychology. You should look it up.

They hate the mind, remember? They try to hide it.....there will never be any such studies because Big science is full of frauds and crooks.

Boohoo. Big bad science doesn't come to the conclusions I like, therefore they hate my concepts. Nonsense Guzman. What you say just fails the test.

Not everyone with cancer dies. Some die, some don't. Yet the treatments, or non-treatments in some cases, are the same. So something else must be making the difference. How do you chart whatever that is?

Not by useless speculation but by actual research. There are a lot of factors influencing survival of cancer. A simplistic "the mind did it" is no answer here. Study up on it, it's actually quite interesting once you get past twisting science beyond all recognition.