My TE Challenge

[AV1611VET]

I don't need a speech, Skavau, I'm asking you a simple yes-or-no question.

 

[Skavau]

I don't need a speech, Skavau, I'm asking you a simple yes-or-no question.

I explained how the scientific method is everything but circular (which is your claim). You clearly did not read it. Your willful anti-intellectualism is noted.

You don't get to pick your answers.

 

[AV1611VET]

Your willful anti-intellectualism is noted.

It's also in my caption now --- under my name.

You're preaching to the choir.

 

[Nathan Poe]

It's also in my caption now --- under my name.

You're preaching to the choir.

Try it in Latin -- Deus Inscitia Est sounds more impressive, and conveys pretty much the same idea.

 

[Psudopod]

It's also in my caption now --- under my name.

The irony of this being said by a man using a computer to post in the internet makes my day brighter (in a head desk kind of way).

 

[AV1611VET]

Try it in Latin -- Deus Inscitia Est sounds more impressive, and conveys pretty much the same idea.

Nope --- it's in English so everyone can know where I stand.

 

[FishFace]

Is the principle of induction a scientific principle?

Depends how you mean. It's a principle used by science.

In fact, the principle of induction is validated by itself, but at the moment I am of the opinion that it derives ultimate validation from Ockham's razor, since it it is a simpler explanation that the future will mimic the past in certain ways (that is the principle of induction in a nutshell) than any other one I've heard of.

You might be interested to know that induction also validates Ockham's razor (since Ockham's razor has worked in the past, induction tells us it will in the future), but I'm pretty sure that Ockham's razor is so fundamental in the way we think that it is as much an axiom of our thought as is "something cannot be true and false at the same time."

I hope that answers your question, and I hope that you now understand how science doesn't rely on itself for validation.

 

[AV1611VET]

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The irony of this being said by a man using a computer...

Did you know the computer was invented by a Creationist?

 

[AV1611VET]

I hope that answers your question, and I hope that you now understand how science doesn't rely on itself for validation.

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[Psudopod]

Did you know the computer was invented by a Creationist?

A creationist or a Christian? It may have been invented by a creationist, I don't know either way. However the principles behind the computer were discovered by scientists. If creationist is happy to use science in one field and deny it in another then he's a hypocrit.

Doesn't make your statement any less ironic though.

 

[AV1611VET]

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A creationist or a Christian? It may have been invented by a creationist, I don't know either way. However the principles behind the computer were discovered by scientists. If creationist is happy to use science in one field and deny it in another then he's a hypocrit.

Doesn't make your statement any less ironic though.

Is this a "yes" or a "no"?

 

[Psudopod]

If it is true, then no, I didn't know it. However, either they are not a creationist, or they are a hypocrit.

And in neither case does it change my opinion.

 

[sfs]

As opposed to, say, "Homo sapiens, like all species, has been shaped by positive natural selection. As first articulated by Darwin and Wallace in 1858..."

I'm pretty sure that I wrote some version of the first sentence, and that Pardis originally wrote the second. That was before they went through the sausage-making process, of course.

You'd be a bit of a TE, then...?

That would be a fair conclusion.

 

[MasterOfKrikkit]

I don't need a speech, Skavau, I'm asking you a simple yes-or-no question.

Translation: Waaah! I didn't want a well written, well reasoned response! You used big words and made sense! Stop it! Waaaah!

Skavau: that was eloquently put, thank you.
AVVET: maybe if you weren't so blatant with your lack of understanding, and pride therein, people wouldn't feel the need to correct/inform you. Just a thought. (Ooops, sorry, there I go thinking again.)

 

[MasterOfKrikkit]

Did you know the computer was invented by a Creationist?

Biblical citation for this claim, please, or it didn't happen.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

Did you know the computer was invented by a Creationist?

O RLY.

1. Babbage was a theistic evolutionist; indeed, he was one of the first to promote theistic evolution. He believed in a god who created "one general and comprehensive law, from which every visible form, both in the organic and inorganic world flows" (Babbage 1838, 50). Such a god, he thought, deserves more credit and glory than a god who intervenes in the course of creation. He cited with approval a letter in which Sir John Herschel proposes that the origination of new species "would be found to be a natural in contradistinction to a miraculous process" (Babbage 1838, 227).
   
   Babbage also recognized and accepted that geological evidence indicates an old earth.
   In truth, the mass of evidence which combines to prove the great antiquity of the earth itself, is so irresistible, and so unshaken by any opposing facts, that none but those who are alike incapable of observing the facts, and of appreciating the reasoning, can for a moment conceive the present state of its surface to have been the result of only six thousand years of existence (Babbage 1838, 67-68).​

In 1837, responding to the Bridgewater Treatises, of which there were eight, he published his Ninth Bridgewater Treatise, "On the Power, Wisdom and Goodness of God, as manifested in the Creation", putting forward the thesis that God had the omnipotence and foresight to create as a divine legislator, making laws (or programs) which then produced species at the appropriate times, rather than continually interfering with ad hoc miracles each time a new species was required. The book is a work of natural theology, and incorporates extracts from correspondence he had been having with John Herschel on the subject.

By the way, can we expect your verse on atheists being secret nature-worshippers anytime soon?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Nope --- it's in English so everyone can know where I stand.

I wouldn't worry -- everyone can tell what you're standing in.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Did you know the computer was invented by a Creationist?

Does this Creationist have a name?

 

[[serious]]

Does this Creationist have a name?

Alan Turing, but only if he meant to say "was a homosexual"

He may have a different bar for what constitutes a computer though. I'm sure he can find some definition of computer for which he can argue a creationist made the first.

 

[sfs]

Does this Creationist have a name?

He probably means Charles Babbage, since he fits the description -- except that there are many others with at least as good a claim as Babbage, and of course he wasn't a creationist.