My TE Challenge

[AV1611VET]

You do understand that people come here to laugh at you. The foolish little man who freely admits that he rejects reality.

Hey, what you and your friends do for fun is none of my business.

Problem is that when they see a Christian acting like you do, they don't always come away from it seeing you as an anomaly. They start to see all Christians as ignorant little people who reject reality.

Who are "they"? You and your friends? I have a feeling you've been laughing long before I showed up.

Do yourself and the all Christians a favor, take a remedial biology class and actually try to learn something.

No, thanks. As I have pointed out before, newbie, even if I knew biology inside and out, the next person would probably be an astronomer begging me to take a course in astronomy, and so on and so forth.

You want me to take biology, Thaumaturgy wants me to take geology --- man --- just how educated do you guys want me to be, anyway?

If you can't do that, don't get involved in debates about a subject (Science) that you reject.

My newbie friend, I "reject" the interpretation of your [plural] observations.

We [plural] actually hold science up to a higher Standard.

You want me to learn biology? You learn theobiology.

(I know --- "Duh, what's 'theobiology'?)

 

[MrGoodBytes]

Great, another one of AV1611VET's "say XYZ without saying XYZ" threads.

 

[FishFace]

Explain Theistic Evolution in light of a literal interpretation of Genesis 1.

Your questions are phrased funny, did you know that? Explain TE in light of [something]? What exactly do you want explaining?

While I await clarification of this, I'm going to assume you want reconciliation.
I reconcile TE with a literal interpretation of Genesis 1 by stating that, taken literally, Genesis 1 does not accord with reality.

To be honest though, I'm not sure why you asked this challenge - care to share? I can't see any obvious use you could put your usual rhetoric to here, and we've already established that you're not a literalist, so it can't be to answer any accusations there.

 

[FishFace]

And as I'm fond of saying:

• If I want to disprove evolution, all I need is the first chapter of the Bible.
• If I want to disprove atheism, all I need is the first verse of the Bible.

Let's write this out in premise-conclusion form:

P1. The Bible says God exists
C1. God exists.

This is not a valid logical syllogism, so you've not proven or disproven anything.
I presume you think your disproof is valid, because otherwise it wouldn't be. So perhaps you could fill us in, and make it valid. (Hint: you need some extra premises.)

To disprove atheism you need to prove the existence of God - which is impossible for the strict meaning of proof. Providing evidence of God isn't going to get you much further.

 

[FishFace]

stupidity will be up to you to demonstrate.

Oh no! You demonstrate it on a day to day basis!

 

[AV1611VET]

Let's write this out in premise-conclusion form:

Let's not.

P1. The Bible says God exists
C1. God exists.

Skip the algebra, do it this way: The Bible says it - that settles it.

This is not a valid logical syllogism...

Good --- why did you bring it up, then?

... so you've not proven or disproven anything.

No --- your P1/C1 demonstration proved [whatever you meant by that] nothing.

I presume you think your disproof is valid, because otherwise it wouldn't be.

Huh ---

So perhaps you could fill us in, and make it valid. (Hint: you need some extra premises.)

Sure ---

P1 = The Bible says it.
C1 = That settles it.

(Note: no extra premises needed.)

To disprove atheism you need to prove the existence of God - which is impossible for the strict meaning of proof. Providing evidence of God isn't going to get you much further.

I've already shown atheism to be a form of nature worship; so by definition that makes atheists polytheists.

 

[OutsideNormal]

No, thanks. As I have pointed out before, newbie, even if I knew biology inside and out, the next person would probably be an astronomer begging me to take a course in astronomy, and so on and so forth.

You want me to take biology, Thaumaturgy wants me to take geology --- man --- just how educated do you guys want me to be, anyway?

First of all, you should learn about biology, geology, astronomy, and any other science you can find. Learning isn't something that should end in your teen years, it is something that should be a life long quest. The fact that you do not even gave a high school level knowledge of science is not something you should be proud of, it is something you should be ashamed of deeply.

 

[FishFace]

Sure ---

P1 = The Bible says it.
C1 = That settles it.

(Note: no extra premises needed.)

Unless you want a valid argument, which I assume you do since otherwise you can't attempt a proof or disproof.
So, your argument could be:

P1. The Bible says God exists
P2. If the Bible says it, it's true
C1. God exists.

But this argument is not sound, because P2 is false. That's, the argument you gave above is invalid - there is no logical inference that takes you from "The Bible says it" to "that settles it."

Oh, and this isn't algebra, it's (very simple) philosophy.

I've already shown atheism to be a form of nature worship; so by definition that makes atheists polytheists.

Again, incorrect - you've shown that your interpretation of a book claims that atheism is a form of nature worship.

You've shown nothing more.

 

[AV1611VET]

The fact that you do not even gave a high school level knowledge of science is not something you should be proud of, it is something you should be ashamed of deeply.

How does the song go?

I'll do my lacrimation during a hydrometeor shower.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

I've already shown atheism to be a form of nature worship; so by definition that makes atheists polytheists.

No, you have not and you know it. You are committing a sin by claiming otherwise.

 

[AV1611VET]

AV1611VET = 83,750 --- averaging 125.8 per day
MrGoodBytes = 4214 --- averaging 5.46 per day

And you can make a statement like this, "newbie"?

No, you have not and you know it. You are committing a sin by claiming otherwise.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

AV1611VET = 83,750 --- averaging 125.8 per day
MrGoodBytes = 4214 --- averaging 5.46 per day

And you can make a statement like this, "newbie"?

Actually, yes, I can, just like somebody with a total of 1 post can tell me that I made a mistake when he is right. And I am right - you have never supported this ridiculous claim of yours except by means of blatant logical fallacies (the Bible says atheists are fools, the Bible says that some fools worshipped animals, therefore atheists worship animals) you haven't bothered to defend or retract.

You should look up the concept of sin somewhere - I'm pretty sure that it's applicable even for Christians with very high post counts.

 

[FishFace]

AV1611VET = 83,750 --- averaging 125.8 per day
MrGoodBytes = 4214 --- averaging 5.46 per day

And you can make a statement like this, "newbie"?

Your high post-count is neither here nor there and it is rather telling that you think otherwise!
It doesn't take any post count at all to know that your "demonstration" is based entirely upon logical fallacies as GoodBytes pointed out and on unfounded assumption.

You've demonstrated that, the Bible contains claims that God exists, and contains claims that imply evolution didn't happen. You may have demonstrated that the Bible claims atheists worship nature, but as Bytes points out, that seems fallacious.
You have not demonstrated the truth of any of these claims, so when you say you have you are lying.

Last time I checked, bearing false witness was still in there as one of those big-no-nos.

 

[AV1611VET]

And I am right - you have never supported this ridiculous claim of yours except by means of blatant logical fallacies (the Bible says atheists are fools, the Bible says that some fools worshipped animals, therefore atheists worship animals) you haven't bothered to defend or retract.

Um --- you mean "nature" --- not animals --- (I hope)?

 

[AV1611VET]

You may have demonstrated that the Bible claims atheists worship nature, but as Bytes points out, that seems fallacious.

The Bible says: Atheists worship nature.

A Christian motto says: The Bible says it - that settles it.

AV1611VET says: Atheists worship nature.

 

[dlamberth]

The Bible says: Atheists worship nature.

A Christian motto says: The Bible says it - that settles it.

AV1611VET says: Atheists worship nature.

Because the ONLY Holy Text direct written by the hand of God can ONLY be found with in life itself, perhaps Atheist as you describe them are closer to God than imagined.

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[sfs]

My apologies if you think I am referring to individuals are stupid, I am not.

Then what did you mean? Try formulating a clear argument, preferably based on what some reasonable fraction of TEs actually think. So far you seem to be attacking TEs for views you made up yourself.

TE is nothing more than a caveat that makes people feel superior to other biota.

Your evidence for this statement is what, exactly?

If we “that is humans” are the best thing a so called all powerful deity can come up with in ~12,000,000,000 years; than she’s not as cleaver as you make out.

I don't see any reason to think that humans are the best thing in the universe, or that humans are the purpose for the universe. (As far as I know, in fact, Christianity has never viewed humans as the highest created beings.)

Give me a few links to paper, I will read them.

Here is one. Here, here and here are others.

When are you going to start posting examples of TEs saying that common descent isn't really true?

 

[MasterOfKrikkit]

Explain Theistic Evolution in light of a literal interpretation of Genesis 1.

I'll get right on it... just as soon as you show me how to fit wheels to a tomato.

 

[Nitron]

The Bible says: Atheists worship nature.

A Christian motto says: The Bible says it - that settles it.

AV1611VET says: Atheists worship nature.

Does the bible also say that Scotsmen eat porridge without sugar?

 

[Nitron]

I'll get right on it... just as soon as you show me how to fit wheels to a tomato.

WHY are you unreppable?