Liberals: Post Bible Verses of Jesus' word promoting liberalism.

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Rule 1: Tanakh only.
Rule 2: Full quotes ONLY no skipping whole verses or using ... to skip through parts.
Rule 2: Use the Amplified or Holman version of the Bible, http://www.biblegateway.com/ , so if you get a verse first go to there and change it to one of those versions. NO NIV OR NLT!

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Rule 1: Tanakh only.
Rule 2: Full quotes ONLY no skipping whole verses or using ... to skip through parts.
Rule 2: Use the Amplified or Holman version of the Bible, http://www.biblegateway.com/ , so if you get a verse first go to there and change it to one of those versions. NO NIV OR NLT!

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Don't you think you should first post a definition of liberalism?
 
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Don't you think you should first post a definition of liberalism?

1.Pro-Abortion
2.Anti-Rape victim, don't bring up Deuteronomy 22:28-29, unless you want to be schooled.
3. Pro-gay marriage.
4. Pro-stealing.
5. anti-death penalty

Theres more, but you get the point.
 
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1.Pro-Abortion
2.Anti-Rape victim, don't bring up Deuteronomy 22:28-29, unless you want to be schooled.
3. Pro-gay marriage.
4. Pro-stealing.
5. anti-death penalty

Theres more, but you get the point.
Doesn't look like a definition. You must try harder.
 
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1.Pro-Abortion
2.Anti-Rape victim, don't bring up Deuteronomy 22:28-29, unless you want to be schooled.
3. Pro-gay marriage.
4. Pro-stealing.
5. anti-death penalty

Theres more, but you get the point.

That right there is sufficiently biased to make this a meaningless discussion. That's almost as bad as "when did you stop beating your wife?"

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Oh hon, that is FAR from the definition of liberalism. Far. As I am a liberal but I'm also pro-life and pro-rape victim (though, that statement really doesn't make much sense because no liberal is "anti-rape victim", nor are they pro-stealing) But I can certainly give you Bible verses that pertain to the actual definition.

lib·er·al /ˈlɪbərəl, ˈlɪbrəl/ [lib-er-uhl, lib-ruhl]
–adjective

1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.

Jesus Himself was very interested in change. He saw how the people His Father had created were falling. Considering the condition of the church today, why SHOULDN'T we be favoring some change? We haven't progressed at all religiously and we're in a rather down hill slope politically. This one I will not provide a verse, because there is no single verse. Go read Luke and you can see how Jesus was so revolutionary.
2. (often initial capital letter) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.

Now that we've clarified that liberals are Liberals.
3. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism.

And again...
4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.

Again, this is more Biblically supported in concept. God gave us free will. And with the exception of certain sins which could be menacing to society as a whole (murder (community), stealing (economy), etc.) we really have no right to enforce it. Most of that was stripped away.

In the Jewish world it was about rules as we had no way of being saved. Christ is our salvation now. The strive towards being like Christ as a CHRISTIAN should be a personal one. Since we are all imperfect, we have no right to force Christianity into law. Remembering the adulterous woman. "You who have not sinned throw the first stone". And don't tell me that He was just responding to the trick. He could have just as easily requested to see the man who had also committed the sin and called them out and He still would've been spot on. He was making a point. Now does this mean we shouldn't tell anyone anything about sin? Of course not. The Bible also says that we should advise a friend when he's doing wrong. But you can advise someone with understanding and still not force it.
5. favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.

See Number 4.
6. of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies.

Like a democracy? Like what I assume you're living in right now?
7. free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant

This is a tricky one, and it requires me to define tolerance - "accepting that others believe differently from you; respect for other beliefs". Which requires me to explain further. To accept/respect in this case means that you aren't constantly ridiculing them, calling them wicked, doing everything you can to make them feel bad, etc. It's basically the line between disagreement and slander. Most people would say that since the Bible calls these people wicked, we should too. Wrong. We're in no position to be calling anyone anything except nice good things. We leave judgment up to God. It's not our job. Our one and ONLY job is to spread the Good News. Jesus spent much of His time with Gentiles and Samaritans and called out the Pharisees, who were the religious leaders. And why? Because Pharisee's weren't tolerant. They disrespected anyone who did not follow their beliefs to the last decimal. Now should we be acting like the Pharisees or Jesus?
8. open-minded or tolerant, esp. free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.

I love when the dictionary assumes I've forgotten what I just read.. :)
9. characterized by generosity and willingness to give in large amounts

Um...duh? I shouldn't have to prove myself on this one.
10. given freely or abundantly; generous

See Number 9.
11. not strict or rigorous; free; not literal

This one is tricky. I'll let you decide. Personally, I don't fit this one entirely. So some people might say this is just an interpretation of the word in every day speech, which I always just define as "flexible".

12. of, pertaining to, or based on the liberal arts.
13. of, pertaining to, or befitting a freeman.
–noun
14. a person of liberal principles or views, esp. in politics or religion.
15. (often initial capital letter) a member of a liberal party in politics, esp. of the Liberal party in Great Britain.

Okay dictionary, I get it.
 
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Jesus and God are one.

But time changes. The difference between then and now is in one hand we're condemned, no salvation, no mercy from God and then we go to having all the chance in the world and having a full on relationship. I think that sort of jump is important. And also, why restrict it? Looks like you're trying to hide everything you can't argue. The New Testament seeing as it's NEW is so much more reliable and pertaining to God's feelings today, so I think you would benefit more if we took from that. But like I said, I think you know that there are verses there that support liberalism that you can't argue against.
 
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Jesus and God are one.

Then in your book, God must be a card-carrying communist.

Read all the law in Mose's time, detailing how farmers were supposed to plow in a circle to leave the corners of square plots open to poor foragers, and orchard-growers were supposed to only shake their trees once, so some fruit would remain for the indigent.

No, the only way you can make God so unconditionally "anti-liberal" is to turn "liberal" into a strawman.
 
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6. of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies.

Like a democracy? Like what I assume you're living in right now?

Nope that one is referring to the people like the founding fathers who were classic liberals(not one bit like the leftists) and they favored a REPUBLIC not a stupid democracy.


Sorry for double post, but it would load up the edit thing...
 
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Nope that one is referring to the people like the founding fathers who were classic liberals(not one bit like the leftists) and they favored a REPUBLIC not a stupid democracy.


Sorry for double post, but it would load up the edit thing...

You didn't double post. :) That said, democracies and republics overlap each other. They've never been direct opposites.

What about the rest of my post? The rest seems more important than that.
 
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Then in your book, God must be a card-carrying communist.

Read all the law in Mose's time, detailing how farmers were supposed to plow in a circle to leave the corners of square plots open to poor foragers, and orchard-growers were supposed to only shake their trees once, so some fruit would remain for the indigent.

No, the only way you can make God so unconditionally "anti-liberal" is to turn "liberal" into a strawman.

Post it. If you guys are going to make claims its time to start backing them up.
 
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Post it. If you guys are going to make claims its time to start backing them up.

He said to Read all of Moses' law. Meaning better hit Leviticus and I believe some of Exodus. Why should he post it?
 
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But time changes. The difference between then and now is in one hand we're condemned, no salvation, no mercy from God and then we go to having all the chance in the world and having a full on relationship. I think that sort of jump is important. And also, why restrict it? Looks like you're trying to hide everything you can't argue. The New Testament seeing as it's NEW is so much more reliable and pertaining to God's feelings today, so I think you would benefit more if we took from that. But like I said, I think you know that there are verses there that support liberalism that you can't argue against.

If GG&G believes Jesus and God are one, then that invalidates his insistence that only the Old Testament be used in this discussion. The preachings of teachings of Christ are, ipso facto, as valid as God's Old Testament statements.
 
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