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Here's a question. Why don't we get to pick where the weight comes off at?!? I was rather fond of my bubble butt........ :sorry:

Here's a bit from an article by Tony Gentilcore on "deiting disasters". In this section he was talking about why super-low calorie diets are actually counter productive.

I agree with that alot, mostly because of the potential for muscle loss, but I also fits nicely into targeting 2 or so pounds of fat loss per week, because you can do that by cutting 500 cals a day out of your food intake (drop the sugars IMO) and add 500 cals burned of cardio to be on that track.

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Initially the majority of people who restrict calories will make some decent progress for a few weeks as far as fat loss is concerned. However, there will come a point when progress stalls and no matter how much they lower calories or how much they increase their caloric expenditure through exercise — that little bit of fat on the abdominals or inner thighs will just not go away.

Why?

Fat cells have both B1 (beta 1) and A2 (alpha 2) adrenoreceptors (specific to the catecholamines adrenaline and noreadrenaline). B1 receptors send good messages and can be viewed as the "good guys". They activate lipase, which causes the fat cell to break down from a triglyceride to a free fatty acid (which is then transported via albumin to be burned off and used as energy).

Noreadrenaline is a stress hormone and is what is used to "light up" the B1 receptors. For example, when someone drastically reduces calories (initially) or engages in high intensity exercise (a stress to the body), noreadrenaline is released, and it seeks out B1 receptors to break down fat.

A2 adrenoreceptors, on the other hand, are the "bad guys," and are the dominant receptors in stubborn body fat. They block lipase in the fat cell, which promotes additional triglyceride formation. They also decrease the generation of noreadrenaline, which results in decreased activity with the B1 receptors, which is not that big of an issue because lower body fat doesn't have many B1 receptors in the first place.

And while I'm sure I lost many of you while you were reading the last few paragraphs, I do have a point. Low calorie diets cause an INCREASE in the number of A2 receptors in the body.
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A good example of "stubborn fat" (predominantly A2 receptors) around the hips
In his ground breaking book Underground Body Opus, Dan Duchaine goes into detail on why long-term low-calorie diets are just not a smart way to approach fat loss:

1. Fat is lost first and fastest at the cells with lots of B1 receptors.

2. Very little fat is lost in the fat cells that have lots of A2 receptors. For men this is usually the abdominal and lower back regions. For women it's the hips and thighs.

3. Eventually, your noreadrenaline levels drop, reducing your body temperature (and hence... metabolic rate).

4. The number of A2 receptors increase. The last of the fat becomes hard to mobilize so that the body will have to use more amino acids (from muscle) for fuel. [Again, low calorie diets have been shown to cause up to 45% lean body mass loss.]

5. When you finally give up on the diet, even "normal" eating will cause new fat accumulation right in the fat cells that have just increased their number of A2 receptors.

In short, drastically low(er) calorie diets are about as useful as an [expletivedelted] on your elbow. This is a perfect segway to our next dieting disaster.
 
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Spicy, I do agree with that, but I don't think I'm on a super low calorie diet.

I'm following the 40-30-30 plan, where the idea is that every meal and snack is made up of 40% protein, 30% carbs and 30% fat. This combination gets your blood sugar under control, which in turn releases glucagon that burns fat and increases your metabolism rate.

The problems with really low calorie diets were addressed in the book I'm reading, "The Formula, A Personalized 40-30-30 Weight Loss Program" by Gene and Joyce Daoust.

"Lowfat, low calorie diets are far too low in quality protein. Inadequate protein in your diet contributes to muscle breakdown and amino acid deficiencies and slows your metabolism. As your metabolism declines, your body burns fewer calories and less fat."

I'm really thinking that they're onto something, as my calorie intake has decreased by a third, yet I'm not hungry. I'm eating 1200 calories a day, but my meals are full of fruits, cottage cheese, eggs, canadian bacon, vegetables, chicken, protein powder smoothies, all kinds of good stuff. Right now I'm on their 21 day "Fat Flush" plan, and after that my meals will have a little more carbs from bread products.


As far as the A2 receptors go, that's all new to me and sounds really interesting. I'll have to read up on it.

I guess this all begs the question, what exactly is a really low calorie diet? :scratch:
 
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Spicy, I do agree with that, but I don't think I'm on a super low calorie diet.

I guess this all begs the question, what exactly is a really low calorie diet? :scratch:

I didn't even know what kind of diet you were on, you just sparked my memory about the article.:thumbsup:

As for calories, and what is low cal, I guess what one person considers low cal isn't goiung to be universal for everyone.

I mean, 1,200 may be perfect for you but it's starvation for me. ;) I think, last time I did the math, my "gain mass" number was closer to 4,000 a day. Try doing that without fat and sugar sneaking in you know?

Anywho, mostly what I go with for determining calories requirements comes from the 2004 Men's Health Total Fitness Guide. OCTAOE, but this one is about in line with others I've read.

I'll dig that out and compare it to "The Book of Muscle" and post some calorie math later.
 
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Yesterday I didn't do so well. But then Saturdays are normally my worse day.

Food eaten early in the day:
1/2 very dark chocolate bar (88% coca, 220 C)
1 protein drink (25g, 130 C)
2 servings veggie chili (~300 C)
1 serving low fat ricotta cheese (in chili) (~100 C)
1 drink of grapefruit juice (~100 C)
1 6inch veggie patty sub from subway (~400 C) (All veggies)

Then I went to play games with friends:
1 Gatorade (~300 C)
2 Brownies (~700 C)


Which put me ~250 C (probably ~500 C) over for a no exercise day. Obviously the evening stuff was all not normal, and normally I eat a lot more veggies.

Jon Miller
 
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Molly - I did a 1200 calorie diet the last time I lost a bunch of weight. The weight came off pretty fast, but it stayed off (and I looked awesome :p) - until I had kids. Now, I'm doing OK with the food intake/calorie part of my diet/exercise - but the exercise part is a lot harder to work in with my single mom schedule. I think if you keep doing both you are going to be very pleased with the results.
 
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Val- that's awesome, I feel encouraged. I feel slightly less terrified of the prospect of being all skinny with the same thighs I have right now. :eek:

^_^


I'm trying to convince myself to go for a quick run. Maybe if I do it will actually rain! That would be great.

Oh, that reminds me, does anyone have a good suggestion for running shoes? My ankles and feet are pretty sore after a run, even with my Nike Shox. :scratch:


I've been doing really well with my eating plan..... although I have given into temptation and am currently eating half of a scoop of Fudge Brownie ice cream :sorry:


I measured today for the first time in a couple months, and I've lost some inches! YAY
 
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I did 30 mins on the elliptical after work. It felt great since I was cooped up in my car for quite a bit since it was a travel day for me.

1 day down, 3 more to go for my goal of going to the gym 4 times this week. I need to add some strength training, but the only person I know IRL that can help me with a routine is my ex and I definitely don't want to ask him for help. :sorry: The "trainers" at the gym don't look like they know much or I would pay one of them to set up a routine for me.
 
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Oh, that reminds me, does anyone have a good suggestion for running shoes? My ankles and feet are pretty sore after a run, even with my Nike Shox. :scratch:


I personally like Saucony, I used to run in New balance and Adidas.

I'm 200+ lbs and I probably look like a hockey goalie in full gear when I run. The inside of my shins used to hurt like crazy, so I went to a running shop.

I learned alot being there, because the thing about stores that specialize in running is they know more than the guy working at the department store.

I went to Hanson's (small, non chain store), they watched me walk around the store and immediately new my shin pain was caused by the way my foot lands. Turns out I put alot of tension on my medial post when I step.

Anywho, the guy goes over to the rack, hands me a shoe designed for my running style, and I never felt that pain again.

My advice is to not listen to anyone here, because we can't see you running and woudn't know what to do if we did. Go find a running specific shop, and take their advice.

I think the shoes I ended up buying were $110.00 for the pair, so not rediculously priced compared to the typial $75-$100 Nike, and the improvement in my running was well worth the extra bucks.

Oh, and whle you're there you'll find products like "thigh-glide", those of us in the Clydesdale Class rub that on our inner leg to keep the friction from our thighs rbbign together from causing our shorts to ignite.

Oh, and there'll be a bunch of flyers and signup sheets for group runs in your area.

Running shops are a goldmine.
 
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Oh, just a little tid bit on the medial post because I found it interesting.

It's a tendon (ligment maybe?) that connects your calf muscle to the inside of your shin. It's actually strong enough that it wil tear a chunk of bone out before it rips. That why the pain was in my shin.
 
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