Jesus Christ, was he sent for all mankind?

[Snowbunny]

I would not even argue on that he has NO PLACE.



That is going to cut deep. Orthodox never approved a pope, and his authority.

hola Bushmaster,

i thought the orthodox believed that the bishop of Rome was unique... but it does not afford him special privileges over the other patriarchs... first among equals still signifies you believe in 'the Pope' just npt one who considers himself the prince of the apostles... or do i have this wrong?

Dominus tecum

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Here the sons of Jacob are called nations,

The scepter shall not depart from Judah,nor the ruler's staff from between his feet,until tribute comes to him;and to him shall be the obedience of the peoples(Genesis 49:10)

And God said to him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply. A nation and a company of nations shall come from you, and kings shall come from your own body.(Genesis 35:11)

Yepperz.

Matthew 21:43 `Thru this I am saying to ye, that shall be being snatched away/arqhsetai <142> (5701) from Ye [Law/Priesthood] the Reign of the God, and it shall be being given to Nation/eqnei <1484> [Israel/Gentiles?] doing the fruits of her;

Hebrews 7:12 for the Priesthood being changed, out of necessity also, of Law a change is becoming/ginetai <1096> (5736),

 

[Crujir]

Hello.We muslims believe he was sent to the sons of Israel not for all mankind.This doesnt mean the one who follows Him in real does a wrong job but this is God's plan for He sent Muhammed-aleyhissalam-to all mankind.Which proofs do christians have to claim that Jesus was sent to entire humanity and not only to the israelites?

Editing for conscience sake; I was having a rough day and reacted in the flesh.

I think I'll just bring us to a very well known verse: "For God so loved the WORLD, that He gave His only begotten Son, so that WHOEVER would believe on Him would not perish but have everlasting life." - John 3:16

 

[Micah68]

That's one of the most arrogant things I have ever heard.

No his belief is sincere, no different than your belief.

 

[Micah68]

An excellant article. How are we revealing Christ in our words and actions?

Why Muslims Follow Jesus
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2007/october/42.80.html
Seeing a lived faith

First, we can look at the experiences that most influenced Muslims. For example, respondents ranked the lifestyle of Christians as the most important influence in their decision to follow Christ. A North African former Sufi mystic noted with approval that there was no gap between the moral profession and the practice of Christians he saw. An Egyptian contrasted the love of a Christian group at an American university with the unloving treatment of Muslim students and faculty he encountered at a university in Medina. An Omani woman explained that Christians treat women as equals. Others noted loving Christian marriages. Some poor people said the expatriate Christian workers they knew had adopted, contrary to their expectations, a simple lifestyle, wearing local clothes and observing local customs of not eating pork, drinking alcohol, or touching those of the opposite sex. A Moroccan was even welcomed by his former Christian in-laws after he underwent a difficult divorce.
Many Muslims who faced violence at the hands of other Muslims did not see it in the Christians they knew (regrettably, of course, Christians have been guilty of interethnic strife elsewhere). Muslim-on-Muslim violence has led to considerable disillusionment for many Muslims, from those who survived the 1971 war between the Bengalis of East Pakistan and the Pathans, Sindis, and Punjabis of West Pakistan, to Arab and Berber tensions in North Africa, and to Arab herdsmen fighting black African farmers in Darfur

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Raja
you accept all his gospels though they include many fabricated matters imposed on Jesus original insturctions!!

WHAT DID SAINT PAUL FABRICATE?

Why would he fabricate anything?
He loved the Lord Jesus as much as the other Apostles did. Maybe the Muslims feel Saul/Paul would make Muhammad less of a prophet. Peace/Salam

http://www.christianforums.com/t5366795-what-is-the-parousia-in-the-new-testament.html

Matthew 24:3 He is yet sitting on the mount of the Olives, the disciples toward-came to Him according to own, saying, `Tell us, when shall these be? and what the Sign of the Thy ParousiaV <3952>, and of the together-finish/sun-teleiaV <4930> of the Age?'

1 Thessalonians 3:13 Into the stand-fast of ye, the hearts/kardiaV blameless in together-holiness before the God and Father of us in the Parousia <3952> of the Lord of us, Jesus Christ, with all of the holy-ones of Him.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I would also like to ask what percentage of Muslims believe JESUS is returning in the future. Peace

 

[rhyddid_rose]

Bore da. Sut mae?

No I dont believe that Jesus was sent for all mankind. I dont believe in universalism. We are all unique and people have different cultures and heritages. I find it hard to believe that a monotheistic Middle Eastern philosophy/religion is for the entire world.

I dont believe that one person can die for the 'sins' of the entire world. I dont think that is justice. Innocent people aren't (or shouldn't be) punished for the wrong deeds of others. This is why I dont buy salvation/redemption/crucifixion.


Hail the Aesir; Hail the Vanir,
Rhyddid Rose R.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Bore da. Sut mae?

No I dont believe that Jesus was sent for all mankind. I dont believe in universalism. We are all unique and people have different cultures and heritages. I find it hard to believe that a monotheistic Middle Eastern philosophy/religion is for the entire world.

I dont believe that one person can die for the 'sins' of the entire world. I dont think that is justice. Innocent people aren't (or shouldn't be) punished for the wrong deeds of others. This is why I dont buy salvation/redemption/crucifixion.


Hail the Aesir; Hail the Vanir,
Rhyddid Rose R.

I understand. I am a "Bible Only" Christian so I go only by what the Christian/Jewish-Hebrew Scriptures says and it says YHWH's Christ was sent for the world. Peace.

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Luke 21:28 Beginning yet to-be-becoming/ginesqai <1096> (5738) these-things, up-bend!, and lift up! the heads of ye, thru-that is nearing the loosing/apolutrwsiV <629> of ye [Daniel 12/Reve 19,20]

Reve 16:17 and the seventh one pours out the bowl of him upon the air and came out voice, great, out of the sanctuary from the throne saying :it-has-become/gegonen <1096> (5754).

Reve 21:6 And He said to me: "it-has-become/gegonen <1096> (5754).
I am the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end.
I, to the one thirsting, shall be giving out of the spring of the water of the life gratuitously.

 

[Carey]

Bore da. Sut mae?

No I dont believe that Jesus was sent for all mankind. I dont believe in universalism. We are all unique and people have different cultures and heritages. I find it hard to believe that a monotheistic Middle Eastern philosophy/religion is for the entire world.

I dont believe that one person can die for the 'sins' of the entire world. I dont think that is justice. Innocent people aren't (or shouldn't be) punished for the wrong deeds of others. This is why I dont buy salvation/redemption/crucifixion.


Hail the Aesir; Hail the Vanir,
Rhyddid Rose R.

Here is what I believe.

Matthew 7 : 13"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
A Tree and Its Fruit

15"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

 

[rhyddid_rose]

....your answer, Carey.

Here is what I believe.

Matthew 7 : 13"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
A Tree and Its Fruit

15"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

I dont mean to be difficult, but how does this answer the OP's question?


Curious,
Rhyddid Rose R.

 

[Carey]

....your answer, Carey.



I dont mean to be difficult, but how does this answer the OP's question?


Curious,
Rhyddid Rose R.

Here I will add how it answers the OP question in red.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carey
Here is what I believe.

The gate is for all mankind but.....

Matthew 7 : 13"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.Even though it is there for all mankind to pass through.


A Tree and Its Fruit

15"Watch out for false prophets.and false religions that will lead you away from the narrow gate. They come to you in sheep's clothing,pretending that they and their religion is good for you but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them.This would include fasle Christian prphets and religious leaders as well.
Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.This is a very deep one and one must really pay close attention to the fruit. Because some fruit appears good but is actually poisonous to you. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. So even professing Christians and preachers will not all be saved.22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'Because even though they did with their mouths profess to follow Christ they did not with their hearts.

This is why people who have never heard about Christ and never refused to believe he is the Son Of God ,died and rose again for them , these can still get a Chance at everlasting life. But not those who have heard of him and refused to follow.

Romans 2 : 14(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, 15since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.) 16This will take place on the day when God will judge men's secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I would also like to ask what percentage of Muslims believe JESUS is returning in the future. Peace

As far as the OP is concerned, I have no proof that JESUS was sent to any others except for the Lost Sheep of Israel and wonder why the Jews of today are still waiting on their own Messiah. Salam/Shalom/Peace.

http://www.scripture4all.org/
Good Hebrew/Greek interlinear

Matthew 10:6 Be going yet rather to the sheep, the having been lost/apo-lwlota <622> (5756) of-house of Israel.

Matthew 15:24 The yet answered and said, not I was sent if no into the the sheep, the lost/apo-lwlota <622> (5756) house of Israel.

Hello.We muslims believe he was sent to the sons of Israel not for all mankind.This doesnt mean the one who follows Him in real does a wrong job but this is God's plan for He sent Muhammed-aleyhissalam-to all mankind.
Which proofs do christians have to claim that Jesus was sent to entire humanity and not only to the israelites?

 

[anatolian]

I would also like to ask what percentage of Muslims believe JESUS is returning in the future. Peace

majority-including me-but I do respect the ones who don't..why are you asking that what percentage of muslims believe the 2nd coming of Masih Isa aleyhissalam?

 

[Philothei]

"he who has ears let him hear" good enough for me...

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

the 2nd coming of Masih Isa aleyhissalam?

Did you know His arabic name is not "Isa"? Though what are your thoughts that His second coming is marked in Christianity before Islam came to be?

 

[elwill]

Did you know His arabic name is not "Isa"? Though what are your thoughts that His second coming is marked in Christianity before Islam came to be?

firstly , the name of jesus (pbuh) is 'Isa' in arabic , and he is mentioned much by this name in quran .

secondly , the prophet mentioned us in hadeeth about coming of jesus in last hour and will kill dajal (antichrist) . so , sunni muslims believe in his coming back , and i don't know if other sects beleive that or not .

thirdly , we agree that coming of jesus (pbuh) mentioned before in christianity , what is the problem with that , we not reject the whole bible , we believe that bible still have some of truth in it

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

firstly , the name of jesus (pbuh) is 'Isa' in arabic , and he is mentioned much by this name in quran .

Theologically, we don't say Isa Al-Masih, we say Yasouh Al- Masih...

secondly , the prophet mentioned us in hadeeth about coming of jesus in last hour and will kill dajal (antichrist) .

Considering prophet's religious background from upbringing, this is quite possible...

so , sunni muslims believe in his coming back , and i don't know if other sects beleive that or not .

A major separation...

thirdly , we agree that coming of jesus (pbuh) mentioned before in christianity , what is the problem with that , we not reject the whole bible , we believe that bible still have some of truth in it

Yes you reject the parts of the Bible that doesn't support Quran. Very doctrinally sound...

 

[elwill]

Theologically, we don't say Isa Al-Masih, we say Yasouh Al- Masih...

arab muslims called him Isa , arab christians called him Yasouh

Yes you reject the parts of the Bible that doesn't support Quran. Very doctrinally sound...

at least we have reference to distinguish the truth , do you ?

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

arab muslims called him Isa , arab christians called him Yasouh

And aramaic is "Yeshua" ... Though which name comes first? Arab Christian name or Islamic name?

at least we have reference to distinguish the truth , do you ?

We have the TRUTH you want to distinguish from your error. Your reference is bogus. You look at the source not the reference.