Jesus Christ, was he sent for all mankind?

[anatolian]

Hello.We muslims believe he was sent to the sons of Israel not for all mankind.This doesnt mean the one who follows Him in real does a wrong job but this is God's plan for He sent Muhammed-aleyhissalam-to all mankind.Which proofs do christians have to claim that Jesus was sent to entire humanity and not only to the israelites?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

no post....dupe.

 

[porterross]

He came and paid for all our sins to offer salvation, including yours. Pretty cool, huh?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

He came and paid for all our sins to offer salvation, including yours. Pretty cool, huh?

Israel just got first crack at being "resurrected" first it seems. Still studying on this.

Luke 2:34 Behold, this [child] is set for the falling and resurrection/rising-again/anastasin <386>of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against;

Reve 20:5 The rest of the dead-ones/nekrwn <3498> not live until should be being finished the thousand years, this the resurrection/anastasiV <386> , the first/prwth <4413> .

 

[porterross]

Aha! I found Paul's words on it.

Romans 3:29-30

Is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Jesus Christ, was he sent for all mankind?

Of course He was!!! He was the one promised since the beginning of the World.

Also, since Muslims appear to take such an interest in the Christ-ian Bible, how would you define this greek word for "World" in the NT/NC? Thanks and peace.

John 1:29 On the morrow, seeing the John, the Jesus, coming toward him, and saith--Lo! the Lamb of the God, the one taking away the sin of the World/kosmou <2889>.

John 1:29 | th <3588> {THE} epaurion <1887> {MORROW} blepei <991> (5719) {SEEING} o <3588> {THE} iwannhV <2491> {JOHN} ton <3588> {THE} ihsoun <2424> {JESUS} ercomenon <2064> (5740) {COMING} proV <4314> {TOWARD} auton <846> {HIM,} kai <2532> {AND} legei <3004> (5719) {SAYS,} ide <1492> (5657) {BEHOLD} o <3588> {THE} amnoV <286> {LAMB} tou <3588> {OF THE} qeou <2316> {GOD,} o <3588> {THE} airwn <142> (5723) {ONE TAKING AWAY} thn <3588> {THE} amartian <266> {SIN} tou <3588> {OF THE} kosmou <2889> {WORLD.}

 

[peaceful soul]

originally posted by anatolian

Hello.We muslims believe he was sent to the sons of Israel not for all mankind.

Then why did He tell His disciples to go and preach to all of the nations?
KJV: Mat 28:
19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

This doesnt mean the one who follows Him in real does a wrong job but this is God's plan for He sent Muhammed-aleyhissalam-to all mankind.Which proofs do christians have to claim that Jesus was sent to entire humanity and not only to the israelites?

I just quoted you one. Also read the book or Acts. It will surely support the command that Jesus gave.

Where in the Qu'ran does it say that Mohammad was for all of mankind?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

originally posted by anatolian

Then why did He tell His disciples to go and preach to all of the nations?
KJV: Mat 28:
19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

I just quoted you one. Also read the book or Acts. It will surely support the command that Jesus gave.

Where in the Qu'ran does it say that Mohammad was for all of mankind?

EEEEKKK! Please do not use the KJV!!!! LOL.

Matthew 24:14 and this good news of the reign shall be proclaimed in all the world/oikou-menh <3625>, for a testimony to all the nations; and then shall The/to <3588> End/teloV <5056> arrive

Matthew 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I myself have commanded you, And lo! I, am, with you, all the days, until the full-end/sun-teleiaV <4930> of the Age.

I still want the Muslims to give me their view of the greek word for "World" in our NT.

John 1:29 On the morrow, seeing the John, the Jesus, coming toward him, and saith--Lo! the Lamb of the God, the one taking away the sin of the World/kosmou <2889>.

 

[peaceful soul]

EEEEKKK! Please do not use the KJV!!!! LOL.

Matthew 24:14 and this good news of the reign shall be proclaimed in all the world/oikou-menh <3625>, for a testimony to all the nations; and then shall The/to <3588> End/teloV <5056> arrive

Matthew 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I myself have commanded you, And lo! I, am, with you, all the days, until the full-end/sun-teleiaV <4930> of the Age.

I still want the Muslims to give me their view of the greek word for "World" in our NT.

John 1:29 On the morrow, seeing the John, the Jesus, coming toward him, and saith--Lo! the Lamb of the God, the one taking away the sin of the World/kosmou <2889>.

I had witnessed several opponents of KJV, but I prefer to use it. Like all Bible versions, each has its problems. I grew up with it; so, it is not a big deal since I have become comfortable in understanding the laguage it uses. If you understand the language, there are fewer issues. I also use cross references if I have some difficulty in understanding. Watch out! Little Lamb. Don't diss my KJ. Those are fighting words. You are inciting my to a fight.

 

[elijah115]

It's really not the most understandable thing to quote to non-christians, I just generally think. But that's my opinion.

 

[porterross]

Watch out! Little Lamb. Don't diss my KJ. Those are fighting words. You are inciting my to a fight.

I feel the same way when people try to modernize Shakespeare.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Don't diss my KJ. Those are fighting words. You are inciting my to a fight.

It may be nice to read, but I wouldn't use the translation of it to debate Scriptures with LOL. But then I like to read the NIV Chronological taken from the W-H MS, but for me, it is just fine.
At least Matt 10 doesn't say those hated by "Muhammad's" name.

Peace bro.

Luke 21:9 and when ye may hear of wars and uprisings, be not terrified, for it behoveth these things to happen first, but The/to <3588> End/teloV <5056> [is] not immediately.'

to <3588> {THE} teloV <5056> {END.}

Matthew 10:22 and Ye shall be hated by all because of My Name, but he who hath endured to an end/teloV <5056>, he shall be saved.

 

[français]

The duty of Moshiach is to be sent for the Jews and the Gentiles. This is written not only in OT Prophesies, but also in the New Testament, by Paul, and others.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The duty of Moshiach is to be sent for the Jews and the Gentiles. This is written not only in OT Prophesies, but also in the New Testament, by Paul, and others.

I still want the Muslims to give me their view of the greek word for "World" in John 1:29 and in our NT.

John 1:29 On the morrow, seeing the John, the Jesus, coming toward him, and saith--Lo! the Lamb of the God, the one taking away the sin of the World/kosmou <2889>.

Matthew 24:14 and this good news of the reign shall be proclaimed in all the world/house-hold/oikou-menh <3625> , for a testimony to all the Nations; and then shall The/to <3588> End/teloV <5056> arrive

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

What happened to the Muslims concerning this thread I am just getting warmed up here. Peace.

 

[Islam_mulia]

originally posted by anatolian

Then why did He tell His disciples to go and preach to all of the nations?
KJV: Mat 28:
19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

I just quoted you one. Also read the book or Acts. It will surely support the command that Jesus gave.

Where in the Qu'ran does it say that Mohammad was for all of mankind?

Could it be, in the cotext of the gospels, (not on the writings of Paul who has his agenda on preaching to gentiles) the 'nations' could mean the 12 tribes of Israel that were residing outside Judah and Canaan?

Other than that, Matt 28:19, as you very well know, is not found in the most ancient mss you have.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Could it be, in the cotext of the gospels, (not on the writings of Paul who has his agenda on preaching to gentiles) the 'nations' could mean the 12 tribes of Israel that were residing outside Judah and Canaan?

Other than that, Matt 28:19, as you very well know, is not found in the most ancient mss you have .

Which ones are those? Even if the phrase "Baptize in name of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit" wasn't in there, Jesus was still given authority in heaven and earth. The 3 main gk MSS below do show it.
Btw, can you respond to post # 14 please? Thanks and Peace.

18 And Jesus, coming near, spake unto them, saying--All authority, in heaven and on land, hath been given unto me; 19 Go ye, therefore, and disciple all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,-- 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I myself have commanded you, And lo! I, am, with you, all the days, until the conclusion of the age.

Byz./Maj.) Matthew 28:19 poreuqenteV maqhteusate panta ta eqnh baptizonteV autouV eiV to onoma tou patroV kai tou uiou kai tou agiou pneumatoV

W-H ) Matthew 28:19 poreuqenteV oun maqhteusate panta ta eqnh baptizonteV autouV eiV to onoma tou patroV kai tou uiou kai tou agiou pneumatoV

Textus Rec.) Matthew 28:19 poreuqenteV oun maqhteusate panta ta eqnh baptizonteV autouV eiV to onoma tou patroV kai tou uiou kai tou agiou pneumatoV

 

[Smileyill]

Could it be, in the cotext of the gospels, (not on the writings of Paul who has his agenda on preaching to gentiles) the 'nations' could mean the 12 tribes of Israel that were residing outside Judah and Canaan?

Other than that, Matt 28:19, as you very well know, is not found in the most ancient mss you have.

Christians consider Paul authoritative, Chirst appeared to him after all. Further, John 4, the Samaritan woman, clearly indicates that the time has come for God, through Christ, to be available to all. Additionally, he heals the woman in Mark 7, because of her faith, and eventually he does come to us "dogs" (gentiles). Additionally in Mark 12, he gives tells the pharisees that they'll only get the sign of Jonah - 3 days and 3 nights, and then to a pagan (gentile) city Nineveh.

So you see, the NT clearly indicates that Chirst came for all mankind. I wonder why you ask though.

 

[français]

LLOJ - might I ask do you speak Hebrew/Greek? I am going to learn Greek soon! I am going to buy some Greek learning (online ) software

 

[Arthra]

THe Baha'i view is that all the Messengers of God ...Manifestations of God were "universal" and were sent for all mankind. There were however cultural limitations and physical barriers however that limited the past dispensations.

For a single purpose were the Prophets, each and all, sent down to earth; for this was Christ made manifest, for this did Baha'u'llah raise up the call of the Lord: that the world of man should become the world of God, this nether realm the Kingdom, this darkness light, this satanic wickedness all the virtues of heaven -- and unity, fellowship and love be won for the whole human race, that the organic unity should reappear and the bases of discord be destroyed and life everlasting and grace everlasting become the harvest of mankind.

(Abdu'l-Baha, Selections from the Writings of Abdu'l-Baha, p. 31)

Why has God sent the prophets? It is self-evident that the prophets are the educators of men and the teachers of the human race. They come to bestow universal education upon humanity, to give humanity training, to uplift the human race from the abyss of despair and desolation and enable man to attain the apogee of advancement and glory. The people are in darkness; the prophets bring them into the realm of light. They are in a state of utter imperfection; the prophets imbue them with perfections. The purpose of the prophetic mission is no other than the education and guidance of the people.

(Abdu'l-Baha, Foundations of World Unity, p. 94)