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hola,

i agree with the general proposition that christians are supposed to emulate christ... and i also agree that his ministry seemed to have an informalness to it. i do not think this is an endorsement for what you are talking about OP.

though informal, Jesus, John the Baptist and the Disciples still provided the sacrements and very importantly they did not diminish their importance or meaning. though done in a river instead of in a font, baptism literally meant a new life in God, though done with bread and wine communion literally meant the body and blood of Christ, though done without a confessional men were literally required to say what they had done and repent of it.

i think the informality you notice is really one of necessity, Jesus was poor and a traveller... he did not have time and money for what we have today... but the fundamentals were the same, just in a more rustic format.

i contrast this against the 'informality' of what i see from protestant evangelicals like joel osteen (who i do like), where they do not bother with sacrements or creeds and seemingly their only connection to worship is that they talk about God alot and justify this by saying Jesus talked about God alot ergo they are being Christ like...

it's a different, incorrect, kind of informality that what the early Church used. i think the early Church's informality was really more a matter of needing to worship on a limited budget and underground so that the authorities did not constantly interrupt and kill people... it was not an attempt to break down the sincerity of worship.

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1. This verse doesn't tell you which books are scripture- the Church told you that.
2. "All scripture" is not synonymous with "only scripture."
3. All scripture was written by men, though under the inspiration of God.

I happen to believe that many things are written and said under God's inspiration, not just scripture. The point is that scripture- the canonical scripture- is the ruler by which all other writings and sayings must be measured. Scripture is the straight edge of Truth. More appropriately, it is the Gospels through which even scripture must be understood.

But understood by whom? Individuals? Yes. But does the understanding of one establish what is the best shared understanding? Obviously not. And why is shared understanding important? Anyone?
Apparently you don't know me. I believe the verse I listed there from my own reading. I am only plugged in somewhere because of fruitful teachings, fellowship, worship, and for the Harvest, not because of doctrine. Most of what I know, does not come from "Church", any more I hate religion. There is no god in religion.

A "shared understanding" births doctrine. So those who agree will join your club. How about personal understandings? Of course shared among fellow believers to create a system of checks and balances. If the Church would simply learn to follow the leading of the Holy Spirit that Christ gave to us... we wouldn't have to worry. This is a relationship... I explained this one earlier...

I'd agree though as the Bible is the foundation.. anything that is not built upon it... is not truth. If you had read what I had said you would have caught that! :p
 
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LogosRhema said
"All scripture is God breathed and is useful teaching... etc You know the verse correct? Now if I sat you down and told you that one book was written by God and another by man, but it your choice what you want to believe. You tell me who you trust. I'm not saying JUST the Bible we should read, because there are people out there that have useful things to say, but infallible truth comes from the Word of God... my 100% trust is in it. All other word, unless it agrees CLEARLY with it, I can't consider Biblical Truth. Besides its clearly our guide, everything we need to know is in it. It only makes sense to use the Manual that was given unto man from God to live by."

This DOES NOT SAY use only the Scripture. It just guarantees that what's in Scripture is from God.

You're confusing the difference between these statements

"The Bible contains the Word of God" or "All of the Bible contains God's word"
with
"The Bible contains ALL the Word of God"
 
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All scripture is God breathed and is useful teaching... etc You know the verse correct? Now if I sat you down and told you that one book was written by God and another by man, but it your choice what you want to believe. You tell me who you trust. I'm not saying JUST the Bible we should read, because there are people out there that have useful things to say, but infallible truth comes from the Word of God... my 100% trust is in it. All other word, unless it agrees CLEARLY with it, I can't consider Biblical Truth. Besides its clearly our guide, everything we need to know is in it. It only makes sense to use the Manual that was given unto man from God to live by.

There's a difference that you're confusing between the following statements

All scripture contains the word of God

with

All the word of God is contained in scripture


You prove the first, when I ask you about the second.

Show me where only scripture is to be relied upon
 
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I'd agree though as the Bible is the foundation.. anything that is not built upon it... is not truth. If you had read what I had said you would have caught that!

The Bible's not the foundation. The church is. The Church 'built' the Bible.

The Bible didn't authorise itself.
 
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The word of God carries its own weight.
:doh: Everyone still missing the point!


Where's it say it can only be found in the Bible?

Who's to say that a particular book carries the word of God?

The Bible was compiled in the 300s

www.earlychristianwritings.com has a list of hundreds of books prior to 300 that existed
 
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:doh: Everyone still missing the point!


Where's it say it can only be found in the Bible?

Who's to say that a particular book carries the word of God?

The Bible was compiled in the 300s

www.earlychristianwritings.com has a list of hundreds of books prior to 300 that existed
um, the scriptures weren't written in 300. just thought I'd point that out.
 
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:doh: Everyone still missing the point!


Where's it say it can only be found in the Bible?

Who's to say that a particular book carries the word of God?

The Bible was compiled in the 300s

www.earlychristianwritings.com has a list of hundreds of books prior to 300 that existed
um, the scriptures weren't written in 300. just thought I'd point that out.
 
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There's a difference that you're confusing between the following statements

All scripture contains the word of God

with

All the word of God is contained in scripture


You prove the first, when I ask you about the second.

Show me where only scripture is to be relied upon
I dont think anyone's confusing anything, I think you're
trying to build strawmen.

:doh: Everyone still missing the point!
OR, 'everyone' isnt missing the point and
maybe it's you that's missing it.
Sometimes we cant see what's right in
our faces, happens all the time.

Where's it say it can only be found in the Bible?

Who's to say that a particular book carries the word of God?
Bingo!
 
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