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Here's some more Trinty United fun- A letter to 'Oprah' from Ali Baghdadi, a former 'Middle East advisor to Ejiah Mohammed and Farrakhan. It contains the chestnut,

'I must tell you that Israel was the closest ally to the White Supremacists of South Africa. In fact, South Africa allowed Israel to test its nuclear weapons in the ocean off South Africa.
The Israelis were given a blank check: they could test whenever they desired and did not even have to ask permission. Both worked on an ethnic bomb that kills Blacks and Arabs.'

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Trinity took this seriously enough to include it in their newsletter.
So when the next Osama tape gets released and played on all the news networks, does that mean they agree with him?
 
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Sure. Maybe he could even have an influence on Uncle Jerry.

I agree, it was a great speech, and very powerful had it not come from someone who was mentored by, influenced by, and supported such a character as Wright. As it is, Obama left too
many questions unanswered for him to be lecturing the rest of us on race in this country for this speech to carry any weight, or for him to be any sort of moral authority on the subject.
I feel that your words are a little overboard. Obama, was not lecturing us on race and he never claimed moral authority on the subject. Though he did raise questions about race that did cause a lot of us to do a little introspection on our own actions and thoughts in how we treat others that are of a different race. And personally, I feel that’s always a good and healthy thing to be doing.

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If Obama could create one that only got rid of the people who drive slow in the fast lane and refuse to move over I'd consider voting for him. ;)
And I'd vote for him if he could get people to stop tailgating me when I'm driving in the left lane :D
 
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So when the next Osama tape gets released and played on all the news networks, does that mean they agree with him?
No, it means you're mixing apples and oranges. Unless you don't see a great deal of difference between network news and a church bulletin?
 
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So when the next Osama tape gets released and played on all the news networks, does that mean they agree with him?
No, it means you're mixing apples and oranges. Unless you don't see a great deal of difference between network news and a church bulletin?

Though he did raise questions about race that did cause a lot of us to do a little introspection on our own actions and thoughts in how we treat others that are of a different race.
To bad he didn't answer a few questions, first.


SHEESH. Debating with this timestamp debacle going on is like trying to play frisbee in a house of mirrors!
 
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To bad he didn't answer a few questions, first.
A wonderful introspection over race is going on now in America. It's the questions raised in that national/personal growth as the discuesson that are important to find answers to. The very fact that finally we as a nation are looking at ourselves in that way I feel shows the value of Obama as a unifying leader.

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It's possible to publish something because it raises interesting issues, not because you agree with everything that it says. Maybe the pastor thought that this was an interesting perspective to have on the current Middle Eastern conflict.
Interesting would be a good choice of words, all right. It's right up there with 'Whites invented AIDS to kill people of color'...not just in
terms of stupidity, but offensiveness, as well. Good to hear his opinions are given serious thought by the good people at Trinity United.
 
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I'm curious as to why I am supposed to only be concerned with the divisiveness of Obama's 20 year Muslim spiritual adviser, but cringe at the woman that washed his stinky butt and only sent him to the best schools after excepting him as who he was? Because his great Mum dumped him shortly after her second marriage like his daddy dumped them both.

Conservative christianity, ladies and gentlemen.

The goals of Black Liberal Theology, are to turn religion into sociology, Christianity into a political agenda

There's no way this could be like the pot calling the kettle black. None at all.
 
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Obama’s military advisor reportedly anti-Israel
Republican Jewish Committee asks for general’s removal

According to reports among conservative American media, Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama’s military advisor, retired Gen. Merrill “Tony” McPeak, has a record of sharp anti-Israel criticism in his military career.

McPeak, who retired in 1994 as chief of staff of the US Air Force, has slammed Israel for years for not returning to its pre-1967 borders and blamed American Jews for blocking US pressure that could bring forth a Middle East peace settlememt.

In a recent article, the journal American Spectator assessed McPeak’s military career and said the research showed that the general has taken a firm anti-Israel stance in his published articles and interviews and that he enjoys blasting Israel and Zionist Jews.

For example, McPeak told The Oregonian some five years ago that American Jews in New York and Miami were the reason for the holdup in the Israeli-Palestinian peace talks. "We have a large vote here in favor of Israel. And no politician wants to run against it," he said.

McPeak added, "I've spent a lot of time in Israel, worked at one time very closely with the Israeli Air Force as a junior officer," he said, "but that's maybe the more cosmopolitan, liberal version of the Israeli population."

McPeak also blamed Christian Zionists and Jews for influencing US foreign policy in Iraq. "Let's say that one of your abiding concerns is the security of Israel as opposed to a purely American self-interest, then it would make sense to build a dozen or so bases in Iraq," he said.

The Republican Jewish Coalition is demanding that Obama remove McPeak from his position as military advisor and campaign co-director.

"Rather than putting the blame where it belongs - on the Palestinian leadership and their continued reliance on terror, Gen. McPeak finds it more convenient to blame American Jewry and their perceived influence. This is the same dangerous and disturbing canard being promoted by the likes of Jimmy Carter and authors Mearsheimer and Walt in their book, The Israel Lobby," insisted RJC executive director Matt Brooks.

The criticism comes on the heels of media revelations about disturbing messages preached by Obama's former pastor and closest mentor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who has also targeted Israel in his caustic sermons, while hosting pro-Palestinian fundraising events in his Chicago church.
 
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Obama’s military advisor reportedly anti-Israel
Republican Jewish Committee asks for general’s removal

According to reports among conservative American media, Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama’s military advisor, retired Gen. Merrill “Tony” McPeak, has a record of sharp anti-Israel criticism in his military career.

McPeak, who retired in 1994 as chief of staff of the US Air Force, has slammed Israel for years for not returning to its pre-1967 borders and blamed American Jews for blocking US pressure that could bring forth a Middle East peace settlememt.

In a recent article, the journal American Spectator assessed McPeak’s military career and said the research showed that the general has taken a firm anti-Israel stance in his published articles and interviews and that he enjoys blasting Israel and Zionist Jews.

For example, McPeak told The Oregonian some five years ago that American Jews in New York and Miami were the reason for the holdup in the Israeli-Palestinian peace talks. "We have a large vote here in favor of Israel. And no politician wants to run against it," he said.

McPeak added, "I've spent a lot of time in Israel, worked at one time very closely with the Israeli Air Force as a junior officer," he said, "but that's maybe the more cosmopolitan, liberal version of the Israeli population."

McPeak also blamed Christian Zionists and Jews for influencing US foreign policy in Iraq. "Let's say that one of your abiding concerns is the security of Israel as opposed to a purely American self-interest, then it would make sense to build a dozen or so bases in Iraq," he said.

The Republican Jewish Coalition is demanding that Obama remove McPeak from his position as military advisor and campaign co-director.

"Rather than putting the blame where it belongs - on the Palestinian leadership and their continued reliance on terror, Gen. McPeak finds it more convenient to blame American Jewry and their perceived influence. This is the same dangerous and disturbing canard being promoted by the likes of Jimmy Carter and authors Mearsheimer and Walt in their book, The Israel Lobby," insisted RJC executive director Matt Brooks.

The criticism comes on the heels of media revelations about disturbing messages preached by Obama's former pastor and closest mentor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who has also targeted Israel in his caustic sermons, while hosting pro-Palestinian fundraising events in his Chicago church.
 
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Obama’s military advisor reportedly anti-Israel
Republican Jewish Committee asks for general’s removal

According to reports among conservative American media, Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama’s military advisor, retired Gen. Merrill “Tony” McPeak, has a record of sharp anti-Israel criticism in his military career.

McPeak, who retired in 1994 as chief of staff of the US Air Force, has slammed Israel for years for not returning to its pre-1967 borders and blamed American Jews for blocking US pressure that could bring forth a Middle East peace settlememt.

In a recent article, the journal American Spectator assessed McPeak’s military career and said the research showed that the general has taken a firm anti-Israel stance in his published articles and interviews and that he enjoys blasting Israel and Zionist Jews.

For example, McPeak told The Oregonian some five years ago that American Jews in New York and Miami were the reason for the holdup in the Israeli-Palestinian peace talks. "We have a large vote here in favor of Israel. And no politician wants to run against it," he said.

McPeak added, "I've spent a lot of time in Israel, worked at one time very closely with the Israeli Air Force as a junior officer," he said, "but that's maybe the more cosmopolitan, liberal version of the Israeli population."

McPeak also blamed Christian Zionists and Jews for influencing US foreign policy in Iraq. "Let's say that one of your abiding concerns is the security of Israel as opposed to a purely American self-interest, then it would make sense to build a dozen or so bases in Iraq," he said.

The Republican Jewish Coalition is demanding that Obama remove McPeak from his position as military advisor and campaign co-director.

"Rather than putting the blame where it belongs - on the Palestinian leadership and their continued reliance on terror, Gen. McPeak finds it more convenient to blame American Jewry and their perceived influence. This is the same dangerous and disturbing canard being promoted by the likes of Jimmy Carter and authors Mearsheimer and Walt in their book, The Israel Lobby," insisted RJC executive director Matt Brooks.

The criticism comes on the heels of media revelations about disturbing messages preached by Obama's former pastor and closest mentor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who has also targeted Israel in his caustic sermons, while hosting pro-Palestinian fundraising events in his Chicago church.
 
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Obama’s military advisor reportedly anti-Israel
Republican Jewish Committee asks for general’s removal

According to reports among conservative American media, Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama’s military advisor, retired Gen. Merrill “Tony” McPeak, has a record of sharp anti-Israel criticism in his military career.

McPeak, who retired in 1994 as chief of staff of the US Air Force, has slammed Israel for years for not returning to its pre-1967 borders and blamed American Jews for blocking US pressure that could bring forth a Middle East peace settlememt.

In a recent article, the journal American Spectator assessed McPeak’s military career and said the research showed that the general has taken a firm anti-Israel stance in his published articles and interviews and that he enjoys blasting Israel and Zionist Jews.

For example, McPeak told The Oregonian some five years ago that American Jews in New York and Miami were the reason for the holdup in the Israeli-Palestinian peace talks. "We have a large vote here in favor of Israel. And no politician wants to run against it," he said.

McPeak added, "I've spent a lot of time in Israel, worked at one time very closely with the Israeli Air Force as a junior officer," he said, "but that's maybe the more cosmopolitan, liberal version of the Israeli population."

McPeak also blamed Christian Zionists and Jews for influencing US foreign policy in Iraq. "Let's say that one of your abiding concerns is the security of Israel as opposed to a purely American self-interest, then it would make sense to build a dozen or so bases in Iraq," he said.

The Republican Jewish Coalition is demanding that Obama remove McPeak from his position as military advisor and campaign co-director.

"Rather than putting the blame where it belongs - on the Palestinian leadership and their continued reliance on terror, Gen. McPeak finds it more convenient to blame American Jewry and their perceived influence. This is the same dangerous and disturbing canard being promoted by the likes of Jimmy Carter and authors Mearsheimer and Walt in their book, The Israel Lobby," insisted RJC executive director Matt Brooks.

The criticism comes on the heels of media revelations about disturbing messages preached by Obama's former pastor and closest mentor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who has also targeted Israel in his caustic sermons, while hosting pro-Palestinian fundraising events in his Chicago church.
 
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