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Just for your information, I did not use Ellen White in this discussion. I just questioned your objections to the use of that quote.

I consider myself to be conservative when it comes to theological issues like EGW, nature of Christ, that kind of thing; and liberal when it comes to social and practical issues like ordination of women, music, wine, abortion, politics etc.
so another words you are just being a pain.

I know you did not use EGW I know that, you did question me about it.

as far as CSDA they are the mainline body and it is approprate to post in the TSDA
 
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As a word of clarification yes EGW can be used to make doctrinal arguments on the main SDA forum. Whether one personally finds her writings to be authoritative or not is a personal matter and certainly anything that is used as evidence including her writings may be refuted and debated but her writings can be used here on the main SDA board.
 
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what is wrong with you that you do not understand that the main page is for all SDA's. We are having a discussion and there are some SDA who do not accept EGW as a binding source of authority. They see her as having devotional valure only and not a source of doctrinal authority. The assumption that you make is that EGW's view is correct on the matter. That is something that should be posted in the Traditional SDA sub-fourm. Out on the Main page the Bible is the only common source of authority and is the only agreed upon rule of faith. It is nice that you have EGW to back you up, but it is not acceptable to others. Fish out of water. You cannot quote her in a doctrianal disscussion and have it respected because it is not agreed upon.

Excellent points Ice! :thumbsup:
 
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Ah, but why isn't it agreed upon! That is the real question.
Conklin,

i won't accuse you of bating, that is not like you, but I must say that I think you know why, having been in many battles with people on this matter. we don't know why, wink wink nod nod
 
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Conklin,

i won't accuse you of bating, that is not like you, but I must say that I think you know why, having been in many battles with people on this matter. we don't know why, wink wink nod nod

I'm certainly not an EGW authority having only read three or four of her books. However, I must say that after reading so much of what some use to invalidate her here it seems spurious at the least and outright vendictive at the most.

I've read her accusers saying she is legalistic. I've read her accusers saying she is plagaristic. I've read her accusers saying she is anything but a child of God. Laying aside the fact that so far none of those accusations have been correct, what I find when I read her writings is blessings for being there. I find them to be uplifting, inspirational and content valid on all of her Biblical interpretations. IOW, I feel the Holy Spirit on what she writes, especially the conflict of ages series.

God Bless
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Ah, but why isn't it agreed upon! That is the real question.
Maybe because her writings are not Scripture and most Christians do not accept a secondary source of authority for truth.

In CHRIST alone...
 
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I'm certainly not an EGW authority having only read three or four of her books. However, I must say that after reading so much of what some use to invalidate her here it seems spurious at the least and outright vendictive at the most.

I've read her accusers saying she is legalistic. I've read her accusers saying she is plagaristic. I've read her accusers saying she is anything but a child of God. Laying aside the fact that so far none of those accusations have been correct, what I find when I read her writings is blessings for being there. I find them to be uplifting, inspirational and content valid on all of her Biblical interpretations. IOW, I feel the Holy Spirit on what she writes, especially the conflict of ages series.

God Bless
Jim Larmore
Jim,

I glad you have your view you are certiantly entitled to them, but Jim I have noticed you like to avoid the tough stuff and the specifics and make your stand based on fluff. Nothing personal, you are a great guy but your rational is emotional and experincial rather then factual. I will give you the specific reasons I rejected EGW.

1. In 1845 Feb she had a vision in which she told others that the door of salvation was shut to all who had rejected Millers "final warning to the world". she went around and was convincing others that salvation was lost for all who rejected Miller. She would later reverse that postion. the vision from God was wrong, so it is God saying this and God cannot be wrong. people try to justify this, but it is a plain simple fact She made a false prophecy, no condition, just plain wrong. That disquallifies her.


2. In 1856 she gave a testimony, again issued by God, saying that the Law in Galations was the Cermonial law not the 10 commandments. Well that is just wrong. The reason they called it the Cermonial Law rather then the 10 Commandments was if they would have called it the 10 Commandments they would not have been able to preach the Sabbath the way they wanted to. In so doing they created genereations of legalists and took the certiantly of salvation away from people. Galation is all about walking in the flesh or walking in the Spirit. like it or not legalism is opposite of walking in the spirit. The Law in Gal. issues is centered around this point. Just in case you don't believe me Smith and Butler remembered this and EGW admitted to giving a testimony, this is what caused the fight in 1888. Smith and butler were remembering What EGW had said, Now she had changed her postion and left all the the 1st generations leaders out in the Cold. EGW got RBF wrong in 1856 when Got issued a vision through her and had to change her her postion in 1888. NO REAL PROPHET has ever gotten RBF WRONG. EGW did. I must conclude she in not a real prophet.

3. She copied other peoples work,not the problem in its self, and passed it off as from the Lord or from the angel, That is a problem.

4. 1856 she had a vision in which she stated that some in attendence would not see death before jesus would come. Well guess what, There all dead. Failed prophecy. There is not conditions on this, no prinicple of scripture valadated by it's failuer, just violation of scripture all over the place.


Jim there are so many more examples, those are 4 specifics that I have come up with off the top of my head. Now that is not some vage attack, ripping apart of EGW's character, No calling her the devil, just hard facts that contradict the scriptue plain and simple. That is it. There Jim, going by how you feel is the most unsafe way to do anything jim, she gave me good feeling too, before I knew these facts. Now when I pick up here book I get frightened, because I know what they are and I know what she is.
 
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