ABC report on Obama's pastor

[Sphere]

The lie is Obama's claim he is an agent of change when he is nothing more than another tax and spend Democrat, and in his case, one produced by the corrupt Illinois machine.

Is Obama corrupt?

but your allegiance to liberal thought without consideration of some of its faults leaves little to relate to on these threads.

!!

How is that you are not able to see the irony in your own words?

 

[jsn112]

Many people have talked about the context for Rev. Wright's speeches, so here they are:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ

It's important to note that he essentially condemns the 9/11 attacks through the entire video and calls for prayers for those who died in those attacks.

The 'chickens coming home to roost' statement that has been played over and over was when he was quoting an ambassador from the Reagan administration who said something to that effect in an interview to Fox. Malcolm X did use that phrase about forty years earlier, but Wright's usage of the phrase centers around what that official from the Reagan administration said and he cites that in the middle of the video.

You are misleading the mass here. This video doesn't do anything to exonerate rev. Wright. If anything, it shows how bigoted Wright is by emphasizing what "white" man (the embassador) did and condemned him, and the referring the people who jumped from the tower as "black" for sympathy. How did he know it was a black man/woman jumped? In addition, he failed to make a distinction between who are the bad guys and good guys by inferring the US as the bad guy when it bombed Gadafi's house, for supporting Isreal against terroristic Palistinian attack, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Saddam Hussein, etc.

What a bigot, anti-American, anti-semitic Wright is. Stop pretending.

 

[JGL53]

...What a bigot, anti-American, anti-semitic Wright is. Stop pretending...

You are right. Wright has some real problems. But he is not running for president - Barack Obama is.

Barack Obama has fully explained his position on race and race relations in his recent speech on the subject. That ends the matter for all fair-minded persons.

But not for you? OK. No more time need be wasted. You go on my ignore list.

Have a nice life.

 

[jsn112]

You are right. Wright has some real problems. But he is not running for president - Barack Obama is.

Barack Obama has fully explained his position on race and race relations in his recent speech on the subject. That ends the matter for all fair-minded persons.

But not for you? OK. No more time need be wasted. You go on my ignore list.

Have a nice life.

It won't stop and it should be reminded everytime Nobama shows his to face to the American people. You ignore this just like Nobama ignores the outcries of the American people that are against the pastor. Nobama has refused to disassociate himself from Wright. Even if he does, it's too late. And I thought Nobama was going to fix the race relation. Guess not.

 

[JGL53]

Amazing how much context clears up the issue. Now you should all be asking yourself why you trust news organizations (Fox News, for example) that so egregiously take snippets of speeches like this out of context to suit their own political motivations.

Well, good old Gov. Huckabee gets it, even thought a lot of white people who call themselves Christians still don't.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/19/huckabee-defends-rev-jer_n_92346.html

Sen. McCain has now made a very similar statement on this topic.

McCain is a good Baptist, last time I checked, unless he has changed denominations again. And, of course, Gov. Mike Huckabee is a Baptist.

Isn't it FUNNY* how these two Christian gentlemen can get it but so many who would claim to share their underlying metaphysical and moral beliefs just don't get it - and apparently never will.

*Not "funny" ha ha of course, but "funny" strange.

 

[jsn112]

Well, good old Gov. Huckabee gets it, even thought a lot of white people who call themselves Christians still don't.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/19/huckabee-defends-rev-jer_n_92346.html

Sen. McCain has now made a very similar statement on this topic.

McCain is a good Baptist, last time I checked, unless he has changed denominations again. And, of course, Gov. Mike Huckabee is a Baptist.

Isn't it FUNNY* how these two Christian gentlemen can get it but so many who would claim to share their underlying metaphysical and moral beliefs just don't get it - and apparently never will.

*Not "funny" ha ha of course, but "funny" strange.

What? You mean to say that since Huckabee supports Wright's anti-American, anti-semetic, racist view that it's OK to stand behind Wright now? Thanks for showing me to not vote for Huckabee. But what do I know for I am not bigoted, anti-American, anti-semetic either.

 

[Sphere]

Wright is not anti american, anti semitic, or racist.

 

[jsn112]

Wright is not anti american, anti semitic, or racist.

Not according to the video from post #263. That is 10 minutes of my life that I will never get back.

 

[Sphere]

Well, let's put it like this.

I am American, and I am Jewish. Please elaborate for me on what he has said, that I should find to be Anti-American and/or Anti-Semitic.

Also, yes I have seen the videos.

 

[praying]

An excellent read :

The revelation of controversial comments made by the longtime pastor of Sen. Barack Obama, and the equally hot aftermath from the general public that led to the junior senator from Illinois delivering a strong speech/sermon on race in America, has opened anew the explosive connection between three of the most volatile issues today.


Roland S. Martin says race, faith and politics are the most emotional, passionate and divisive topics in America.

If a poll were taken, there is no doubt that race, faith and politics would be the most emotional, passionate and divisive topics. Why? Because all three are so deeply personal. What one person sees as a negative, another would determine as a strength.

Republicans strongly believe that they are superior and right on the direction of the nation compared to Democrats. African Americans are protective of their culture and ways of living, while whites routinely ask why we can't just be one nation with no labels. Catholics contend they are the one and only true church, while Baptists will say that being dipped in the water after making a personal decision to give your life to Christ is the true way of salvation for the believer.

As a Christian, I've seen church members go toe-to-toe when discussing either one of these issues, and can remember some late night debates in college that would have made the toes of Lincoln and Douglas curl.

So why did the comments of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright strike such a core, and how did it lead to Obama to give a speech on race? That was the question posed to me in a number of e-mails, and like Obama stated in his speech, it's really America's lack of understanding -- no, refusal to accept -- how the different races live and act.

The Kerner Commission stated in 1968 that we were living in two Americas -- one black and one white. When we examine the TV shows we all watch, those in the top 10 for whites are vastly different than those for blacks. Musical tastes vary, so do cultural norms. We all kid ourselves that during March Madness, the courts are loaded with mostly African American ballplayers, yet when the College World Series tips off in May, you will see mostly whites on the baseball diamond.

But we are also separate when it comes to worship. The Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. said the most segregated hour of the week is 10 a.m. on Sunday morning. And it still is. For Christians, we may celebrate the same Jesus, but how we do so and with whom is very different.

I fundamentally believe that whites, blacks -- and yes, Hispanics and Asians -- reacted differently when hearing the snippets of Wright's preaching. Not solely because of content, but also style. For African Americans and a lot of Southern whites who are accustomed to a certain style of preaching, the thundering voice that drops to a whisper, the weaving of social issues with the theological, is common.


http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/21/roland.martin/index.html

 

[reverend B]

What Obama did was lie. He says that Wright was one of his advisers. And if you think that a man like Wright, who preaches that hate from the pulpit doesn't advise Obama with the same hate, I have an island to sell you. Give me a break. Thousands of black Americans who NEVER once sat in a seat in Wright's church knew what he preached. They could buy his CD's too. To say Obama didn't know is ludicrous.
fishon

he never said that. please cite the quote from obama where he says he didn't know what wright said?

 

[reverend B]

I don't need to re-write the Bible because it's already stated. What you fail to understand is that...yes, love the sinner but hate the, but if the sinner doesn't repent, he/she must be thrown out.

Nobama has shown his true color to be a hypocrite and willing to throw his grandmother under the bus. Now, do you still want him to be the next president? Say bye-bye.

wright has been thrown out.

yes, i still want obama to be my president, and i won't be so sophomoric as to start calling any other candidate names. i wasn't that childish in junior high, let alone now. aren't you a little embarrassed, or are you simply really that immature?

 

[Dannager]

What a bigot, anti-American, anti-semitic Wright is. Stop pretending.

People can watch the speech now. You're out of ways to continue this sort of demonization.

 

[Ginny]

This is off-topic, but I wonder where I can get a robe like Wright has? So colorful and all.

 

[Dannager]

Not according to the video from post #263. That is 10 minutes of my life that I will never get back.

Obama isn't anti-American. He's anti-politics-of-yesterday, which is apparently the only sort you are familiar with. As an American, I can say very strongly that I do not feel at all that Obama is anti-me. Obama, and his supporters, are simply seeking to put an end to the sort of negative politics that have plagued our country for years now. There are holdouts, certainly, but most of them are only holding out because they're afraid of losing the ideological power they've come to enjoy.

 

[fishon]

he never said that. please cite the quote from obama where he says he didn't know what wright said?

By Barack Obama; Huffington Post, March 14, 2008
"On My Faith and My Church"
"The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation."
FISHON

 

[fishon]

wright has been thrown out.

Wrong!
fishon

 

[MichaelFJF]

By Barack Obama; Huffington Post, March 14, 2008
"On My Faith and My Church"
"The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation."
FISHON

Except that now there are several reports that say the opposite. So now he's just a liar.

 

[fishon]

Except that now there are several reports that say the opposite. So now he's just a liar.

Michael,
I don't believe a one of them any more. Oh, I use to. But enough of the garbage. I have become a pessimistic optmist.

Michael, I believe anyone who defends one of this candidates is only fooling themselves. They scream and squeal at the rallies every time one of them says, I am going to give you....It doesn't matter if it the liar, or the other liar, or the old liar. They can't give us anything. It was ours from the start.

I have been a Rep. ever since I made the mistake of voting for Jimmy. But there isn't a nickles difference in any of them. Obama's black, and a liar. The Hill is a woman, and a liar. McCain is old and white and a liar. And every one of them want to give my money away.

I have never missed a vote, but I may very well this time.

I would vote for a black, and I would vote for a woman, but not this black and not this woman. I have voted for old white guys many times, but not this time.

What's a guy to do? I guess sign off and go play a game of hearts.
MAKE IT A GREAT EASTER.
fishon

 

[JGL53]

Michael,
I don't believe a one of them any more. Oh, I use to. But enough of the garbage. I have become a pessimistic optmist.

Michael, I believe anyone who defends one of this candidates is only fooling themselves. They scream and squeal at the rallies every time one of them says, I am going to give you....It doesn't matter if it the liar, or the other liar, or the old liar. They can't give us anything. It was ours from the start.

I have been a Rep. ever since I made the mistake of voting for Jimmy. But there isn't a nickles difference in any of them. Obama's black, and a liar. The Hill is a woman, and a liar. McCain is old and white and a liar. And every one of them want to give my money away.

I have never missed a vote, but I may very well this time.

I would vote for a black, and I would vote for a woman, but not this black and not this woman. I have voted for old white guys many times, but not this time.

What's a guy to do? I guess sign off and go play a game of hearts.
MAKE IT A GREAT EASTER.
fishon

Don't be so pessimistic. I am sure there is some white separatist group hold up in a barb-wire enclosed compound up in the wilds of Idaho who would love to have you as a member. I understand some of those groups have created real libertarian paradises wherein a real man can hang out with other real men and do manly things all day long.