Creationist Tours of the Denver Museum of Nature & Science

[TheManeki]

If you think creationism shouldn't violate "common sense," then I challenge you to take this challenge.

Sorry, AV, but I learned long ago not to accept foolish dares.

 

[AV1611VET]

Sorry, AV, but I learned long ago not to accept foolish dares.

Ya --- it's easier to critique the Bible then, isn't it?

It's much better to be a victim of having had "difficult questions" that you [probably] asked your pastor [never, of course, your parents], and were told to "Hit the road" or something like that - than it is to try and learn the answer now, isn't it?

 

[durangodawood]

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Some people just can't abide uncertainty.
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Its as if a proposition is judged not by evidence, but by the degree of certainty it promises.
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[Tomk80]

Ya --- make your jokes --- and it's this generation of children that'll suffer.

While "the devil put the bones there" is not one of your insane suggestions, it is one of the insane suggestions promoted by some other christians.

 

[AV1611VET]

While "the devil put the bones there" is not one of your insane suggestions, it is one of the insane suggestions promoted by some other christians.

Well, like I always say: If you don't like the answer - don't ask the question.

I have to put up with people "innocently" asking me where the Flood water went, even though the Bible doesn't say (that I know of). So I give them an educated guess, and then their true colors come out, and the sheep's clothing comes off.

I like the saying: If you can't run with the big dogs - stay on the porch.

 

[TheManeki]

Ya --- it's easier to critique the Bible then, isn't it?

No, it's far easier to critique your dare. Unlike the Bible, your dare is short and has no redeeming qualities.

It's much better to be a victim of having had "difficult questions" that you [probably] asked your pastor [never, of course, your parents], and were told to "Hit the road" or something like that - than it is to try and learn the answer now, isn't it?

Is this the story of how you became such an idolater of creationism? I'm so sorry for you, AV.

Pastors know a lot about life, but they can't answer all questions. Ditto for your parents, so don't feel guilty for not asking them in the first place. I understand that knowledge that contradicts your belief in creationism also calls into question one of the fundamental assumptions on which your life is based, making it hard for you to try and learn the real answer now. But it is possible -- I was able to do it, and I hope you will too some day.

 

[Split Rock]

No, but what you probably do understand is that you want our children to go to a Creation museum and get "indoctrinated" with your evolution garbage. I'm sure that's the point you guys are making here.

Well --- it won't work --- (hopefully).

I consider any money spent on Creation "Museums" to be wasted, when the money could have been used to help the poor, homeless and sick. As far as "indoctrination" that is what happens at Creation "Museums," like the AIG one that opened recently. There they tell you to ignore "human reasoning" and believe what they tell you. In modern museums, the displays admit we do not know everything about the history of this world. Rather, constructive thinking is encouraged. How is that indoctrination?

What I'm getting from you "scientists" here, is that when you were little, you had "tough questions about the Bible" that you asked your church leaders (always them, not your parents), and they told you to "stop asking stupid questions."

So you said to yourselves, "Forget this --- I'll get my answers (to the Bible?) from science when I grow up."

Now, as grown-ups, you're doing basically the same thing you said your church leaders did --- telling your kids to "stop asking stupid questions."

If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me.

OK, You Are Wrong. I never had my priest or nun tell me such a thing when I was learning Christianity. Once again you assume incorrectly.

Ya --- make your jokes --- and it's this generation of children that'll suffer.

It's crap that "Creation Scientists" put out that people like those in the O.P. repeat that makes children suffer (e.g. the T rex nonsense). You yourself claimed you have no patience for them.

Ya --- it's easier to critique the Bible then, isn't it?

It's much better to be a victim of having had "difficult questions" that you [probably] asked your pastor [never, of course, your parents], and were told to "Hit the road" or something like that - than it is to try and learn the answer now, isn't it?

Wrong Again. Where do you come up with these ideas?

Well, like I always say: If you don't like the answer - don't ask the question.

I have to put up with people "innocently" asking me where the Flood water went, even though the Bible doesn't say (that I know of). So I give them an educated guess, and then their true colors come out, and the sheep's clothing comes off.

I like the saying: If you can't run with the big dogs - stay on the porch.

All because you are "guessing" (and to your credit you have admitted this in the past about some matters) doesn't mean it is immune from critisism in a Discussion forum.

The other problem is that you believe quite firmly in other things not covered by scripture... such as "embedded age," and no death before the Fall.

 

[Loudmouth]

Well, there's nothing wrong with having an inquisitive mind; but when that inquisitive mind hears a lecture on something that violates Scripture, then that inquisitive mind needs to investigate further.

Investigate further? I thought the motto was "The Bible says it, I believe it, that settles it". This seems to quash any type of further investigation. The last thing that creationists want is someone with an inquisitive mind. Glenn Morton can back that one up.

 

[Loudmouth]

Ya --- I call them "miracles." In other words, they're supposed to violate God-given common sense.

Made up stories also violate common sense.

 

[GoSeminoles!]

I just watched an ABC News item on a pair of Creationists named Bill Jack and Rusty Carter who lead private tours of the Denver Museum of Nature & Science. They tell the children they guide that the science the museum shows them is "psuedo science," propaganda," and "fairy tales."

Three words come to mind:

Lying Creationist Scumbags.

 

[Morcova]

Well, like I always say: If you don't like the answer - don't ask the question.

Fortunately for the rest of humanity most people don't agree, otherwise we'd still be in caves.

I like the saying: If you can't run with the big dogs - stay on the porch.

No doubt that's why you're a creationist.

 

[Belk]

They said the T-Rex was vegetarian because at the time of the Creation, there was no such thing as death, so a T-Rex could not have eaten meat. There was no death until Adam and Eve ate forbidden fruit from the tree of knowledge, they continued, and God's revenge was to curse the world with death

I have never understood this. Do creationist not consider plants living material? Or does death mean something different to them?

 

[Split Rock]

I have never understood this. Do creationist not consider plants living material? Or does death mean something different to them?

Some creationists have made the claim that plants are not really alive. This is apparently because they do not have the "breathe of life," which is meaningless as a definition, but it is biblical.

The problem is that must reconcile that God told Adam he would die if he ate of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge. They insist this means not spiritual death, but physical death. Therefore, before The Fall, there must not have been any death. In addition, they claim that Adam was made "perfect," and that God doesn't like death because its bad. The question then becomes, what did Adam and the T rexes eat before The Fall? Plants of course!

You must remember that Creationists treat logic and human reasoning as inferior to Divine Revelation.

 

[Loudmouth]

I have never understood this. Do creationist not consider plants living material? Or does death mean something different to them?

To be fair, you can eat parts of a plant without killing it. In the same vein, perhaps T. rex had long teeth to eat the entrails of sea cucumbers or shed tails from escaping lizards.

 

[lemmings]

Ya --- make your jokes --- and it's this generation of children that'll suffer.

From my position, it's your jokes that’s making my generation suffer.

 

[Split Rock]

To be fair, you can eat parts of a plant without killing it. In the same vein, perhaps T. rex had long teeth to eat the entrails of sea cucumbers or shed tails from escaping lizards.

I submit a human cannot live off such plant material. This means you cannot eat seeds except for those that are adapted to surviving digestion. It would even be very difficult to eat tubers and roots without killing the plant. This would restrict Adam to eating fruits and stems and leaves, which would not even provide all the essential amino acids required.

 

[Loudmouth]

I submit a human cannot live off such plant material. This means you cannot eat seeds except for those that are adapted to surviving digestion. It would even be very difficult to eat tubers and roots without killing the plant. This would restrict Adam to eating fruits and stems and leaves, which would not even provide all the essential amino acids required.

[dad]You assume that modern physiology was the same before the split[/dad]

 

[consol]

It seems it's against the law to physically abuse children, buy not mentally.
but the results can be just as devastating, look what's happened to Gottservant and dad,
true Christians must be really pleased with the results of all that indoctrination,
it must warm the cockles of their hearts to see how much damage to people religion can cause.

Religion should be made to quietly fade out of society, because it blights everything it touches,
if it's taken seriously that is, if it's not, then it can be very touching, especially for the women,
and you don't need religion to teach people to be good, in fact religion makes as many bad people as it does good,
the world would be better off without it, death could go back to being the end of life instead of everyone hoping they will meet again.

All of those edifices to fantasy they call churches could be put to some useful purposes,
the church is the biggest land owner in the UK, surely this has got to tell us something about the origins of religion.

(Why did they cover the insides of churches with gold, and let people starve? I thought God was love, not death.)

 

[sbvera13]

Considering tha plants do, in fact, metabolize atmospheric gasses, I would think that they breathe quite handily. Which makes them alive even by "breathe of life" standards.

 

[Belk]

[dad]You assume that modern physiology was the same before the split[/dad]

If that is the case, why the need to eat at all?