Creationist Tours of the Denver Museum of Nature & Science

[AV1611VET]

Thanks AV, that really made me laugh.

I know it did --- but you'll probably show up later somewhere, wondering again about T. Rex, and creation museums, etc. It's the same old/same old.

[bible]2 Timothy 3:7[/bible]

Hopefully, another creationist will put you in your place.

 

[Tomk80]

I know it did --- but you'll probably show up later somewhere, wondering again about T. Rex, and creation museums, etc. It's the same old/same old.

[bible]2 Timothy 3:7[/bible]

Hopefully, another creationist will put you in your place.

There is nothing so well known as that we should not expect something for nothing - but we all do and call it Hope. ~Edgar Howe

 

[AV1611VET]

There is nothing so well known as that we should not expect something for nothing - but we all do and call it Hope. ~Edgar Howe

[bible]1 Peter 1:3[/bible]

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

Well, there's nothing wrong with having an inquisitive mind; but when that inquisitive mind hears a lecture on something that violates Scripture, then that inquisitive mind needs to investigate further.

However, saying that T. Rex at one point was a herbivore, then at another point was a carnivore doesn't really violate Scripture, it violates "science," which is self-violating, anyway - (and even brags about it).

Well, there's nothing wrong with having an inquisitive mind; but when that inquisitive mind hears a lecture on something that violates Scripture, then that inquisitive mind needs to investigate further.

You are right I had an inquisitive mind as a child and asked lots of difficult questions about the scripture. They were answered by “don’t ask such stupid questions” and yes “GODDIDIT”, neither satisfied my hunger for knowledge, the only thing that could do that was science, because science is about asking the hard questions and finding the hard answers and that is GODDIDNOTDOIT.

However, saying that T. Rex at one point was a herbivore, then at another point was a carnivore doesn't really violate Scripture, it violates "science.

No: It violates common sense

 

[AV1611VET]

You are right I had an inquisitive mind as a child and asked lots of difficult questions about the scripture. They were answered by “don’t ask such stupid questions”...

I'll go out on a limb and say I believe you. So what's your excuse now that you're much older?

No: It violates common sense

Looks like they trained you well.

 

[Bombila]

Chordates Legacy has hit the nail on the head, though, AV - more than half the theories you propose or espouse violate common sense, which by all Christian accounts, is God-given. Common sense keeps us putting our pants on one leg at a time, and common sense keeps us from jumping off bridges just because someone else might have, and common sense tells us that T Rex teeth weren't made for chomping on coconuts.

And getting back to the tours, I surely hope around the time they stop believing in Santa Claus, those children also take in the message that adults don't always tell children the absolute truth about the real world.

 

[Morcova]

How would I know? Maybe he sprang from the satyr or the unicorn (and I'm being serious here). Or one of those other kinds that taxonomists "conveniently" left off their lists.

No AV it was the elves.

 

[Morcova]

Like I've said before, my wife and I can't go to a planetarium to see a nebula without having to listen to a 15-minute lecture on how it formed "millions of years ago."[/font][/size]

Or watch a documentary on Animal Planet without having to hear how animal limbs evolved.

Allow me to translate.

WHY COME WHEN I GOES TO DA SCIENCE PLACEZ THEY ALWAYS TALKZ ABOUT SCIENCE?? ME NO UNNERSTAND DAT.

 

[TheManeki]

Chordates Legacy has hit the nail on the head, though, AV - more than half the theories you propose or espouse violate common sense, which by all Christian accounts, is God-given. Common sense keeps us putting our pants on one leg at a time, and common sense keeps us from jumping off bridges just because someone else might have, and common sense tells us that T Rex teeth weren't made for chomping on coconuts.

Excellent point, Bombila. That reminds me of something: The greatest commandment in the Bible is to love God with all your heart, soul, and mind (Matt 22:37, Mark 12:30, Luke 10:27). It would seem that embracing interpretations like creationism which violate common sense also violates the part about loving God with all your mind.

 

[AV1611VET]

Chordates Legacy has hit the nail on the head, though, AV - more than half the theories you propose or espouse violate common sense, which by all Christian accounts, is God-given.

Ya --- I call them "miracles." In other words, they're supposed to violate God-given common sense.

Common sense keeps us putting our pants on one leg at a time, and common sense keeps us from jumping off bridges just because someone else might have...

But God is not bound by common sense. Not only can He jump off of a bridge if He wants to --- (but wouldn't) ---

[bible]Matthew 4:5-7[/bible]

--- He can walk on the water itself ---

[bible]Matthew 14:25[/bible]

...and common sense tells us that T Rex teeth weren't made for chomping on coconuts.

Fair enough --- I have no problem with that.

And getting back to the tours, I surely hope around the time they stop believing in Santa Claus, those children also take in the message that adults don't always tell children the absolute truth about the real world.

I have a better suggestion: Stop telling them about Santa Claus, and start telling them about absolute Truth.

 

[AV1611VET]

Allow me to translate.

WHY COME WHEN I GOES TO DA SCIENCE PLACEZ THEY ALWAYS TALKZ ABOUT SCIENCE?? ME NO UNNERSTAND DAT.

No, but what you probably do understand is that you want our children to go to a Creation museum and get "indoctrinated" with your evolution garbage. I'm sure that's the point you guys are making here.

Well --- it won't work --- (hopefully).

 

[AV1611VET]

What I'm getting from you "scientists" here, is that when you were little, you had "tough questions about the Bible" that you asked your church leaders (always them, not your parents), and they told you to "stop asking stupid questions."

So you said to yourselves, "Forget this --- I'll get my answers (to the Bible?) from science when I grow up."

Now, as grown-ups, you're doing basically the same thing you said your church leaders did --- telling your kids to "stop asking stupid questions."

If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me.

 

[AV1611VET]

Excellent point, Bombila. That reminds me of something: The greatest commandment in the Bible is to love God with all your heart, soul, and mind (Matt 22:37, Mark 12:30, Luke 10:27). It would seem that embracing interpretations like creationism which violate common sense also violates the part about loving God with all your mind.

If you think creationism shouldn't violate "common sense," then I challenge you to take this challenge.

 

[keith99]

No AV it was the elves.

No, there never was a T-rex, or any of the rest. At least not walking and breathing. The Devil put those bones there! The Devil can't make life, but he can make death (bones).

 

[keith99]

What I'm getting from you "scientists" here, is that when you were little, you had "tough questions about the Bible" that you asked your church leaders (always them, not your parents), and they told you to "stop asking stupid questions."

So you said to yourselves, "Forget this --- I'll get my answers (to the Bible?) from science when I grow up."

Now, as grown-ups, you're doing basically the same thing you said your church leaders did --- telling your kids to "stop asking stupid questions."

If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me.

No they are telling someone on an internet forum who claims to be an adult to stop repeating the same questions that have been answered time and again. Very different thing.

 

[Bombila]

You'd make a better preacher, AV, if you didn't toss out Bible verses that only superficially appear to back up your ideas.

This one, for example:

Matthew 4:5-75 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

Note that last verse: "Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God."

Jesus in this instance refuses to perform any miracle for himself, as it would be 'tempting God', or essentially 'commanding God' to allow something miraculous to happen - never a good idea to command a deity, any old mythology will tell you that.

But you - you command miracles from God all the time, by requiring convoluted and unlikely interventions (miracles) by God to square your unsupported by reality notions of how the creation occurred, how it developed, and how it is today. How much more likely is it that God expects you to use your reason and accept that the most likely explanation for how the world looks is that it looks this way because it is this way?

 

[AV1611VET]

No, there never was a T-rex, or any of the rest. At least not walking and breathing. The Devil put those bones there! The Devil can't make life, but he can make death (bones).

Ya --- make your jokes --- and it's this generation of children that'll suffer.

 

[Morcova]

No, but what you probably do understand is that you want our children to go to a Creation museum and get "indoctrinated" with your evolution garbage. I'm sure that's the point you guys are making here.

Well --- it won't work --- (hopefully).

Why would anybody go to a creation museum to learn about evolution? That's like going to a Wendy's and ordering fillet mignon, it just doesnt make sense.

And no, nobody wants to force your kids to learn about evolution.

Please, if you wish to teach your children all about the wonders of your mythology and that it's all real that's fine. Go ahead, teach your children about creationism.

The world needs more fast food workers.

 

[Morcova]

Ya --- make your jokes --- and it's this generation of children that'll suffer.

That's truer than you realize, when you teach children that ignorance is a virtue and that mythology is science they will indeed suffer.

 

[thaumaturgy]

What I'm getting from you "scientists" here, is that when you were little, you had "tough questions about the Bible" that you asked your church leaders (always them, not your parents), and they told you to "stop asking stupid questions."

That is not how it worked for me. Everyone has "tough questions" for the Bible as they are growing up. But I didn't push the Bible too hard. I accepted the "explanations" that were given me. I wasn't a literalist so I didn't have to deal with as much mind-bending, but I was pretty sure the spiritual details were there.

Thankfully as a child I didn't read much of the bible or I would have been quite confused about the God-sanctioned bloodbath that is much of the early parts of the O.T. But instead I was introduced, as all civilized people are today, to the "gentle face" of the Bible and Jesus, the all-loving god with a smile and a soft touch for the little lambikins.

Only when I got older and started to wonder if what I thought was "spiritual truth" was actually in any way meaningful.

I tested the world around me. And finally sat down to read The Book. Front to back (sans apocrypha). AND, I read some history. How we know, what we know and why we think it is so.

So you said to yourselves, "Forget this --- I'll get my answers (to the Bible?) from science when I grow up."

No, most of us say "I'll get my answers from thoughtful analysis of what is presented to us." If you wish to call this getting spiritual information from science, then so be it. I call it a reasonable way to analyze information presented to me.

I suspect you do the exact same thing in your (presumptive) rejection of Hinduism as the One True Faith. Or your rejection of Islam as the One Path to God.

You see, we all reject some things. And I bet if I asked you why you refuse to give your life over to Al'lah's Immutable Will and do that which is commanded of his Followers, that you'd have some pretty clever analyses.