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how sweet it is to bring Obama's campaign down. I'm releshing in the moment. It's so perfect. I love it. Conservatives are gunna have to prop Obama up now after Hillary takes Florida, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.

Neil Boortz and Hannity grill Obama. Heck, even Alan gets after Tanya with some hard ball questions. Sheer bliss yall. Bye Bye Obama. We know you've got some cult followers, but you've lost all credibility with sane mainstream Americans. It was a good run though. I'm glad to help put the nail in the coffin. Peace

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0xYw-GjmccY
 
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Confound that Karl Rove. He's done it again!

Rush 's twin???

Illuminati is related in most cases

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Think ive seen 6 or so posts by one person celebrating obama's defeat. Is there any info available that shows he is out of it? It's weird how all this energy is focused on a pastor instead of the candidate. Where was this outrage for disagreeable religious leaders when Dubya was walking hand in hand with the leader of the most brutal theocracy in the world?
 
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And the answer should be "I disagree with that message."
The problem is that he vehemently condemned the message, but kept the messenger on his staff
Nothing more needs to be said, and it already has been. He also removed Wright from the campaign
, Yeah and it only took him a year to do it

though I think that was completely unnecessary.
Let me get this straight. A man proclaims "God damn America", a candidate for President vehemently condemns that proclamation, yet you think the candidate should keep the man on his campaign staff?
 
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Think ive seen 6 or so posts by one person celebrating obama's defeat. Is there any info available that shows he is out of it? It's weird how all this energy is focused on a pastor instead of the candidate. Where was this outrage for disagreeable religious leaders when Dubya was walking hand in hand with the leader of the most brutal theocracy in the world?


He is trying to make himself feel better.
 
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Think ive seen 6 or so posts by one person celebrating obama's defeat. Is there any info available that shows he is out of it? It's weird how all this energy is focused on a pastor instead of the candidate. Where was this outrage for disagreeable religious leaders when Dubya was walking hand in hand with the leader of the most brutal theocracy in the world?
Wait, did that leader of that country perform the wedding for Bush and baptize his kids while Bush called him his mentor and friend?
 
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Wait, did that leader of that country perform the wedding for Bush and baptize his kids while Bush called him his mentor and friend?

So all your friends consist of people that believe and act exactly as you do? You do not think you could be mentored (spiritually or otherwise) by someone who does not agree lockstep with you on every issue you can think of?

And what does it matter who performed a wedding or baptized someone's kids? Do all potential politicians now have to get background checks performed on those who perform such services for their families because someone might later say "Oh! His kids were baptized by that guy that we don't like! That means he's just like that guy!".
 
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how sweet it is to bring Obama's campaign down. I'm releshing in the moment. It's so perfect. I love it. Conservatives are gunna have to prop Obama up now after Hillary takes Florida, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.

Neil Boortz and Hannity grill Obama. Heck, even Alan gets after Tanya with some hard ball questions. Sheer bliss yall. Bye Bye Obama. We know you've got some cult followers, but you've lost all credibility with sane mainstream Americans. It was a good run though. I'm glad to help put the nail in the coffin. Peace
No.

Just, no.

Earlier today, Obama gained nine more delegates in Iowa than he was originally projected to have, as delegates switched their support around (mostly from those who were supporting Edwards, though Clinton also lost a delegate). That makes his lead in Iowa eleven delegates, instead of one.

In addition, both nationwide primary polls released yesterday (the two most recent) have Obama in the lead, most favored to win the Democratic party nomination.

You're not just wrong. You're grievously wrong. You're so wrong that it's impossible for you to have actually checked your facts before posting what you did (unless, of course, you were simply lying).

Of course, you don't care. You're not here to offer the truth. You're a propagandist. You're of the school of thought that if you keep saying "My opponent is doooooomed," enough it will actually come true. Propagandists are fundamentally dishonest. Instead of supporting the side that, after an honest assessment, is the best choice for the country, you simply choose the candidate you like best and smear the others until your particular sub-par choice comes out on top by virtue of having the least mud slung at him.

Fortunately, that isn't working this time around. That's the reason the Republican party is so frightened. They simply don't know how to fight Obama's candidacy. He doesn't back down, he isn't vulnerable to attacks, he doesn't suffer from inconsistency, and he doesn't demean his opponents in the way they try to demean him. He and his campaign have successfully risen above the fray.
 
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wiki got it wrong, they endorsed Clinton at least once.
And they endorse more democrats than republicans every election cycle.
I just Googled "Chicago Tribune endorses Clinton" and received nothing on the subject. Plenty of links discussing its endorsement of McCain and "if-you're-a-Democrat" endorsement of Obama, though. Are you sure you're talking about the right paper?
 
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Think ive seen 6 or so posts by one person celebrating obama's defeat. Is there any info available that shows he is out of it?
Of course not. On the contrary, he's continuing to gain support and delegates on Clinton by the day. The current estimates have him at 1,610 to 1,496, 114 delegates ahead of Clinton. She'd need incredible victories in every remaining state to even be considered at this point.
It's weird how all this energy is focused on a pastor instead of the candidate. Where was this outrage for disagreeable religious leaders when Dubya was walking hand in hand with the leader of the most brutal theocracy in the world?
Hiding under their hypocrite-comfort blanket.
 
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Let me get this straight. A man proclaims "God damn America", a candidate for President vehemently condemns that proclamation, yet you think the candidate should keep the man on his campaign staff?
Yes. Listen to the speech. Obama had to decry the statement for political reasons, but I was unable to find anything in there that would offend anyone who wasn't looking to be offended and not interested in hearing a worthwhile message. The people who take issue with the sermon that's from are just fishing for something to be outraged over. Something for their nonsensically pseudo-patriotic fervor to latch onto. The only thing that is patriotic - the only thing - is the acted-upon desire to make your country a better place. A pretty significant chunk of the anti-Obama crowd is sitting on their couch, whittling away the time drinking beer and watching television six hours a day while shouting "He's anti-American! Raaaaargh!" and pretending they have any right in the world to comment on someone else's patriotism.

EDIT: Oh, and read this. http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/16/17571/2310/136/476847
DailyKos said:
Damn You Rich!

by Devilstower

Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 02:57:01 PM PDT
Damn you rich! You already have your compensation.
Damn you who are well-fed! You will know hunger.
Damn you who laugh now! You will weep and grieve.
Damn you when everybody speaks well of you!
A rant from a radical preacher? Without a doubt. Someone on the Obama campaign? Well, Sen. Obama says so. That's the Scholars Translation of Luke 6:24-26, and the speaker is Jesus of Nazareth.
In the King James Version, the first part of Luke 6:24 reads "But woe unto you that are rich!" That comes off as quaint and a lot less shocking to modern ears -- not the kind of preaching that nets you space on Fox News. But Jesus meant his words to be shocking. He meant them to strike against the status quo and shake up the comfortable.
God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human.
God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme.
That's Jeremiah Wright.
Is the vision of a pastor standing in his pulpit shouting "God damn America" shocking? Yes. But don't mistake Wright's (or Jesus') statement for what some drunk in a bar would mean using the same phrasing. Wright isn't saying "FU America!" he's saying "these actions of America are worthy of God's condemnation." He's just saying it in a way that cuts through the Sunday morning sleepiness and makes people sit up in their pew.
From Gandhi to King, it's in the nature of spiritual leaders to grab their audiences by the throat and their nations by the short hairs. This was true at the time of the Civil War and during the Civil Rights movement. Martyrs did not become martyrs by appealing to the status quo.
Don't take this to mean that I agree with every word that Wright spoke (e.g. the United States did not create AIDS), but neither do I feel like his words require that "his church should lose it's tax exempt status" that he's a traitor, or that he's an embarrassment to his church or to Senator Obama -- all comments that have appeared on this site.
Do I think that 9/11 was the "chickens coming home to roost?" Yeah, I pretty much do. Of course the terrorists bear the personal responsibility for their actions and the deaths that resulted. But to pretend that decades of actions overseas had nothing to do with that terrible morning is far more delusional than anything said by Rev. Wright. If you jab a stick into a hornet's nest and shake it for fifty years, the hornets might do the stinging, but you can't blame only the hornets. Actions have consequences, and though we may pretend to both purity of motive and prescience about outcomes, the truth is that violence tends to generate violence in return. Or, as that radical I quoted above said "those who take up the sword, will die by the sword."
The purpose of a good sermon isn't to placate, ease, and make people comfortable. A dangerous religion isn't one that challenges people and makes them squirm. Makes them angry. A dangerous religion is one that is too amicable to what you already think, one that pats you on the head and sends you forth in assurance of your own righteousness. If you want to search for "traitors" in the pulpit, turn your eye toward those who never find anything wrong in the actions of this nation.
I understand why Senator Obama finds it necessary to distance himself from Rev. Wright. There were plenty of things in those sermons that I don't agree with, and I'm suspect many of the ideas that grate on my nerves also strike the Senator as either wrong or unsustainable politically. These days, three isolated words on the news seem far more important than context or intent. But I wish he didn't have to do so.
Because getting your personal beliefs regularly challenged, rather than reinforced, is important.
 
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Diehappy, no, there is no comparison. Has the Rev Wright overseen the murders of innocent men women and children? If 15 of the 9E hijackers came from his church intstead of Saudi Arabia, then a point would be made there. Oreilly admitted we have a 'white male Christian' power structure. No backlash. A black minister says the EXACT same thing and suddenly it's a problem?
 
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So all your friends consist of people that believe and act exactly as you do? You do not think you could be mentored (spiritually or otherwise) by someone who does not agree lockstep with you on every issue you can think of?

And what does it matter who performed a wedding or baptized someone's kids? Do all potential politicians now have to get background checks performed on those who perform such services for their families because someone might later say "Oh! His kids were baptized by that guy that we don't like! That means he's just like that guy!".
You're diminishing the effect of Wright upon Obama's thinking. Wright did much more than 'baptize' Obama's kid. Here we have a man saying all these racist and ignorant things,
and Obama has been going to his church for 20 years, been married by him, used his communication skills to develop his own, named his book after him, met with him regularly
for advice, put him on his campaign staff, and even claimed him as spiritual adviser.
Now that we see the sort of racist ignorant garbage that's coming out of Wright's 'church', Obama wants to distance himself from it?
After going to his church for two decades and all that I listed above? You'll have to forgive us if we're a bit skeptical. Would I hear
anything so hateful from my pastor, I'd be out of that church. I certainly wouldn't continue in for two decades, then try to convince
everyone I'm the candidte of unity. Maye that church could change their name to Trinity Divided? Just a thought.
 
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Here's a snippet from Trinity Divided Church's response to the uproar-

“It saddens me to see news stories reporting such a caricature of a congregation that has been such a blessing to the UCC’s Wider Church mission,” said the Rev. John H. Thomas, UCC general minister and president, in a released statement. “ … It’s time for us to say ‘No’ to these attacks and declare that we will not allow anyone to undermine or destroy the ministries of any of our congregations in order to serve their own narrow political or ideological ends.”


Little paranoid, don't you think?
 
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Think ive seen 6 or so posts by one person celebrating obama's defeat. Is there any info available that shows he is out of it? It's weird how all this energy is focused on a pastor instead of the candidate. Where was this outrage for disagreeable religious leaders when Dubya was walking hand in hand with the leader of the most brutal theocracy in the world?

It seems everyone does not hate Israel like you do.;)
 
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You're diminishing the effect of Wright upon Obama's thinking. Wright did much more than 'baptize' Obama's kid. Here we have a man saying all these racist and ignorant things,
and Obama has been going to his church for 20 years, been married by him, used his communication skills to develop his own, named his book after him, met with him regularly
for advice, put him on his campaign staff, and even claimed him as spiritual adviser.
Now that we see the sort of racist ignorant garbage that's coming out of Wright's 'church', Obama wants to distance himself from it?
After going to his church for two decades and all that I listed above? You'll have to forgive us if we're a bit skeptical. Would I hear
anything so hateful from my pastor, I'd be out of that church. I certainly wouldn't continue in for two decades, then try to convince
everyone I'm the candidte of unity. Maye that church could change their name to Trinity Divided? Just a thought.
Do you have any evidence of Obama using any of Wright's objectionable material? It looks to me like Obama understood that some of the ideas Wright had were good, and some weren't good, and decided to use the good ones. That's pretty reasonable.
 
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Here's a snippet from Trinity Divided Church's response to the uproar-

“It saddens me to see news stories reporting such a caricature of a congregation that has been such a blessing to the UCC’s Wider Church mission,” said the Rev. John H. Thomas, UCC general minister and president, in a released statement. “ … It’s time for us to say ‘No’ to these attacks and declare that we will not allow anyone to undermine or destroy the ministries of any of our congregations in order to serve their own narrow political or ideological ends.”


Little paranoid, don't you think?
Given the attitude yourself and others in this thread have displayed, no. It's perfectly justified.
 
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