Obama pro/con

[Carey]

I'd like to know why the points that Wright made are not being discuessed. I feel that what he preaches about does have substance to it. It seems to me that Wright has a vision of America that has a much higher moral bar than we have had historically. Isn't some of the actual history of America that has brought us a lowered moral bar the stuff very stuff the Wright preaches about? Is it so bad in America that if we talk about that dark stuff that we are un-American?

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Because he is a racist and noone wants to hear anything a racist has to say. Even the little good he may have to say.

 

[Dannager]

apparently fox news has obtained hours and hours of Wright's preaching and these aren't just highlight clips of his flaming rhetoric. There's plenty of it and it will continue to surface on youtube. I'm giggling like a school girl. This guy is toast. It's beautiful. So beautiful. Obama has lost all credability with the American people. His claim of ignorace in regards Wright's perveted preachings will be proven false over time. Praise the Lord, there are still a few decent Americans left that were willing to expose this monster.

You could script a better way to doom Obama's candidacy. This is just so beautiful. Better than even a gay sex scandal.

It's heartening to know that people like you still exist. Were it not for people like you and the horrendous politics you stand for, we wouldn't be supporting Obama. Your tactics are hideous. Your lies are transparent. Your sick pleasure in wishing that Obama lose credibility is disgusting.

You are the sort of person we are trying to stop. And, believe it or not (it hardly matters if you don't), we're winning. We're leading the popular vote. We're leading in delegates. We're leading in states. We're beating McCain. If the general election were held today, Obama would be president. And as we know quite well at this point, the more time Obama has to inspire people, the better he does. So, really, keep telling yourself this sort of nonsense. While you're busy gloating over how doomed you believe Obama's candidacy to be, we're busy helping him win. We're giving our time, our money and our effort to propel a good man to the top. You're wasting yours bringing him down and doing a disservice to your country.

Start showing a little respect and decency. Partisan, demeaning vitriol like the sort you display has no place in the America we believe in. You're going to be pretty sorely disappointed when you look back on your own posts and wonder how you could have been so arrogantly sure of yourself.

 

[MachZer0]

Controversial minister leaves Obama campaign

Presidential candidate condemns words but not ministry of former pastor


Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., condemned racially charged sermons by his former pastor Friday and urged Americans not to reject his presidential campaign because of “guilt by association.”
Obama’s campaign announced that the minister, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., had left its spiritual advisory committee after videotapes of his sermons again ignited fierce debate in news accounts and political blogs.
Obama did not clarify whether Wright volunteered to leave his African American Religious Leadership Committee, a loose group of supporters associated with the campaign, or whether the campaign asked him to leave.

Wright was the latest in a series of advisers to Obama and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., who have stepped aside as supporters of both candidates trade racially charged accusations.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23634881

This situation goes well beyond guilt by association. Remember, Obama vehemently condemns the statements of his pastor, yet he remains a member of the church. Obama's camp went into overdrive over an innocuous, accurate statement by Geraldine Ferraro forcing her to resign, but kept wright on its own campaign staff right up until now. Obama doesn't seem to hold himself accountable the same as he does others. Maybe he just feels like he's above everybody else

 

[DieHappy]

It's heartening to know that people like you still exist. Were it not for people like you and the horrendous politics you stand for, we wouldn't be supporting Obama. Your tactics are hideous. Your lies are transparent. Your sick pleasure in wishing that Obama lose credibility is disgusting.

You are the sort of person we are trying to stop. And, believe it or not (it hardly matters if you don't), we're winning. We're leading the popular vote. We're leading in delegates. We're leading in states. We're beating McCain. If the general election were held today, Obama would be president. And as we know quite well at this point, the more time Obama has to inspire people, the better he does. So, really, keep telling yourself this sort of nonsense. While you're busy gloating over how doomed you believe Obama's candidacy to be, we're busy helping him win. We're giving our time, our money and our effort to propel a good man to the top. You're wasting yours bringing him down and doing a disservice to your country.

Start showing a little respect and decency. Partisan, demeaning vitriol like the sort you display has no place in the America we believe in. You're going to be pretty sorely disappointed when you look back on your own posts and wonder how you could have been so arrogantly sure of yourself.

So, "we're winning" means that partisan, demeaning vitriol from Obama's spiritual adviser is to be ignored?

This situation goes well beyond guilt by association. Remember, Obama vehemently condemns the statements of his pastor, yet he remains a member of the church. Obama's camp went into overdrive over an innocuous, accurate statement by Geraldine Ferraro forcing her to resign, but kept wright on its own campaign staff right up until now. Obama doesn't seem to hold himself accountable the same as he does others. Maybe he just feels like he's above everybody else

He is above everybody else. How many women have fainted in your presence, mach? You keep on bringing up facts and logic, it won't matter.
If the women swoon
He'll be president soon.

 

[JGL53]

To those of you who continue to play the guilt by association "card":

My trump suit is McCain's associations, most of which he has not renounced or denounced but embraced. Do you really want to play this particular game? Shall I start the litany here, or start a new thread?

Incidentally, on the broad subject of racism, certainly Barack's preacher has a bad brain now. i.e., he has a LOT of trouble and a LOT of paranoia concerning white people.

Wonder how he got that way? Do you think he just woke up one morning and decided to be a black racist, just for no apparently reason? Or do you think it might have something to do with how the majority of white people have treated him for the majority of his rather long life?

Does anyone here really think he should just be viewed as a black David Duke? So Duke has the same reason he turned out to hate black people - because of the unjust and unfair discrimination Duke suffered all his life from the ruling class black majority?

Black people who are racist against whites are WRONG. Certainly there is no EXCUSE for such an attitude. But is it possible for a white person to envision, just for a few moments, walking in the shoes of people who were treated like dogs or worst, oh, up until just a few decades ago? (Not that the occasional black person isn't dragged to death behind a car in Texas now and then even today.) Does anyone think that such might be, not an excuse, but a sufficient REASON for some or many black people having a rather, uh, ungracious toward whites in general?

Or can we just say Rev. Wright = David Duke, put all of that nasty past white racist stuff behind us, and expect all blacks to just suck it up and quite whining? That about it?

One last thought - Barack's mother was white. She raised him by herself after his father left them when Barack was about two years old. He credits his mother with instilling in him a love for learning that resulted in his ultimately graduating from Harvard Law School. One can easily tell by listening to him talk for a few minutes that he is an educated person, a well-educated person, unlike a certain republican president I could mention.

So - with a white mother who was greatly responsible for him being the man he is - just how much do you think Barack dislikes, mistrusts, or hates white people?

Forget Rev. Wright for a sec - someone tell me what evidence there is that Barack is a racist or bigot of any type whatsoever? Compare him to YOURSELF while you are at it and tell us how Barack measures up to yourself.

 

[Conspiracy Theory]

I get this thrill going up my leg when I hear him speak.

 

[Dannager]

So, "we're winning" means that partisan, demeaning vitriol from Obama's spiritual adviser is to be ignored?

No, it means that partisan, demeaning vitriol from Obama's pastor means nothing more than that his pastor holds those views. People really need to stop keeping tabs on everything any person advising or supporting these candidates say. The candidates don't have control over them. The candidates don't necessarily share their views on everything. It matters exactly nothing that Obama's pastor said these things. As long as Obama disagrees, there's nothing more that needs to be said on the issue. Any further than that, and you're doing nothing but demonstrating that you have an agenda dedicated towards smearing a candidate at any cost - and if that's the case, you should be ignored.

 

[Carey]

It's heartening to know that people like you still exist. Were it not for people like you and the horrendous politics you stand for, we wouldn't be supporting Obama. Your tactics are hideous. Your lies are transparent. Your sick pleasure in wishing that Obama lose credibility is disgusting.

You are the sort of person we are trying to stop. And, believe it or not (it hardly matters if you don't), we're winning. We're leading the popular vote. We're leading in delegates. We're leading in states. We're beating McCain. If the general election were held today, Obama would be president. And as we know quite well at this point, the more time Obama has to inspire people, the better he does. So, really, keep telling yourself this sort of nonsense. While you're busy gloating over how doomed you believe Obama's candidacy to be, we're busy helping him win. We're giving our time, our money and our effort to propel a good man to the top. You're wasting yours bringing him down and doing a disservice to your country.

Start showing a little respect and decency. Partisan, demeaning vitriol like the sort you display has no place in the America we believe in. You're going to be pretty sorely disappointed when you look back on your own posts and wonder how you could have been so arrogantly sure of yourself.

Here are the ones who are going to win so if that man you are in love with wins you will be happy to know what he really is..mwwwaahahahah

Watch videos

http://www.truveo.com/1981-ABC-News-report-Bohemian-Grove/id/1956001456

http://www.thebluestate.com/2006/12/video_hidden_vi.html

 

[MachZer0]

No, it means that partisan, demeaning vitriol from Obama's pastor means nothing more than that his pastor holds those views. People really need to stop keeping tabs on everything any person advising or supporting these candidates say. The candidates don't have control over them. The candidates don't necessarily share their views on everything. It matters exactly nothing that Obama's pastor said these things. As long as Obama disagrees, there's nothing more that needs to be said on the issue. Any further than that, and you're doing nothing but demonstrating that you have an agenda dedicated towards smearing a candidate at any cost - and if that's the case, you should be ignored.

I'm sorry but if Obama brings a man onto his campaign staff as spiritual advisor, and that man preaches the motto "Go Damn America", then Obama has to answer for the pastor's words.

 

[bunnytoes]

I'm sorry but if Obama brings a man onto his campaign staff as spiritual advisor, and that man preaches the motto "Go Damn America", then Obama has to answer for the pastor's words.

You're right. He should have to answer for the pastor's words.
Obama is 100% in agreement with this preacher—anyone who doesn’t believe that needs to buy my oceanfront condo in North Dakota. Just read those hate-filled books of his.
From Dreams of My Father, " I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASIVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER'S RACE". Barack Hussein Obama

From 'Dreams of my Father', "The emotion between the races could never be pure, even love was tarnished by the desire to find in the other some element that was missing in ourselves. Whether we sought out our demons or salvation, the other race (WHITE) would always remain just that: menacing, alien, and apart." Barack Hussein Obama

From Dreams Of My Father: "That hate hadn't gone away," he wrote, BLAMING "WHITE PEOPLE — some CRUEL, some IGNORANT, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives." Barack Hussein Obama

From 'Dreams Of My Father', "There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs," he wrote. "It remained necessary to prove which side you were on,to show your LOYALTY TO THE BLACK MASSES, TO STRIKE OUT and name names" Barack Hussein Obama


"What I value most about Pastor Wright is not his day-to-day political advice," Obama said. "He's much more of a sounding board for me to make sure that I am speaking as truthfully about what I believe as possible and that I'm not losing myself in some of the hype and hoopla and stress that's involved in national politics."

Obama says he's never heard Wright spew his racist venom, huh?
Listen here: Jeremiah Wright - Hillary Clinton ain't never been called...

...Wright praised Obama from the pulpit on Jan. 13 in what was billed as his final sermon at the Chicago church.

"There is a man HERE who can take this country in a new direction," Wright said during his sermon, according to recordings obtained by FOX News.

It was not the first time Wright appeared to endorse Obama, who was baptized at Trinity United, has been an active member of the church for two decades and receives spiritual mentorship from Wright.

The title of Obama's second book, "The Audacity of Hope," was taken from a sermon by Wright.

During a Christmas sermon, Wright tried to compare Obama's upbringing to Jesus at the hands of the Romans.

"Barack knows what it means living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people," Wright said. "Hillary would never know that.

"Hillary ain't never been called a n-----. Hillary has never had a people defined as a non-person."

In his Jan. 13 sermon, Wright said:

"Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. No he ain't! Bill did us, just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty." (snip)

BARACK OBAMA'S CONTROVERSIAL PASTOR PUTS CHURCH IN HOT WATER

 

[Scribbler]

No, it means that partisan, demeaning vitriol from Obama's pastor means nothing more than that his pastor holds those views.

Actually, it means his spiritual adviser holds these views. Is this the guy you'd want advising your spiritual life?
Some advice, Dannager- go with the 'he just joined a church to win some of the religious vote' defense. It's the best shot you have.

 

[Scribbler]

Yes, because Americans in the past have recoiled in horror from public figures with ties to people with strong religious sentiments.

Well, there's sentiment, and strong sentiment. I'm not sure if I'd put Wrights sermons in the realm of 'religious sentiment'. Listening to his speeches is like a game of 'can you spot the love of Christ'?

 

[JGL53]

Well, there's sentiment, and strong sentiment. I'm not sure if I'd put Wrights sermons in the realm of 'religious sentiment'. Listening to his speeches is like a game of 'can you spot the love of Christ'?

Christ hung out with publicans *, prostitutes, and other ne'r-do-wells and low-lives rather than with the Pharisees or the rich and famous - or so the bible says.

So - following the guilt by association idea, I suppose he would not be qualified to be POTUS, assuming he comes back one day, huh?

And BTW, I forget, remind me if it is Christians or Pharisees who are the holier-than-thou types – I can’t keep these two groups straight.

 

[MachZer0]

Christ hung out with publicans , prostitutes, and other ne'r-do-wells and low-lives rather than with the Pharisees or the rich and famous - or so the bible says.

So - following the guilt by association idea, I suppose he would not be qualified to be POTUS, assuming he comes back one day, huh?

Not once did Christ give approval to the actions of the publicans or prostitutes nor did he become a member of their associations. Obama not only is a member of Wright's church, he hired him as spiritual advisor to his campaign. Did Christ hire publicans and prostitutes to be His spiritual advisor? Did he counsel with them for advice? Of course not

 

[Scribbler]

Not once did Christ give approval to the actions of the publicans or prostitutes nor did he become a member of their associations. Obama not only is a member of Wright's church, he hired him as spiritual advisor to his campaign. Did Christ hire publicans and prostitutes to be His spiritual advisor? Did he counsel with them for advice? Of course not

Yep, beat me to it.

 

[Conspiracy Theory]

Christ hung out with publicans , prostitutes, and other ne'r-do-wells and low-lives rather than with the Pharisees or the rich and famous - or so the bible says.

So - following the guilt by association idea, I suppose he would not be qualified to be POTUS, assuming he comes back one day, huh?

And BTW, I forget, remind me if it is Christians or Pharisees who are the holier-than-thou types – I can’t keep these two groups straight.

So if I go to a KKK meeting and keep going to KKK meetings for 20 years and support them with money, and then hire the head honcho pf my local group, and then disown them because it's inconvenient when I'm running for president, I'm not a racist?

Yeah. I sure buy that logic.

 

[JoyJuice]

Maybe someone can clue me in on how Wright's views that Obama has denounced and distanced himself from have actually manifested in Obama's views or policies?

Isn't that the fear?

I mean I didn't fear Bush's association with fringe Christians who Rove had on speed dial because I knew as we have found out the Christians were just being used.

I mean is this a device or a legitmate concern?

 

[MachZer0]

Maybe someone can clue me in on how Wright's views that Obama has denounced and distanced himself from have actually manifested in Obama's views or policies?

He was spiritual adviser to the campaign, so he must have been there for influence of some sort

 

[LonesomeTexan]

What a glorious day. Rezko confesses to giving Obama more than 250,000 in campaign contributions. HAHAHAHA Obama mania is dead. Let the swift boating begin. Yeah.

 

[JoyJuice]

He was spiritual adviser to the campaign, so he must have been there for influence of some sort

Where is HE the spiritual advisor for the campaign? And surely then you can give me an example where the Pastor has clearly influenced Obama to where we should worry politcially?

In "some sort" unstated aint good enough.