Obama pro/con

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well if you go back far enough, we are all related by bloodline. So no real surprise that obama has a common ancestor with cheney

 

[Dannager]

Okay.

My religion preaches unity. We are advised to avoid modern-day politics because it is divisive.

Hah, that's funny. My political beliefs tell me to avoid modern-day religion because it's divisive.

There is no such thing as a non-divisive belief. Any belief, no matter how seemingly innocuous, will be strongly disagreed with by someone. It's just a matter of how many people disagree with it. We should strive for politics that reflect an uncompromising support for human rights, a willingness to enact change for the better, and an understanding that everything else must be tempered by reason and compromise.

 

[Adivi]

There is no such thing as a non-divisive belief. Any belief, no matter how seemingly innocuous, will be strongly disagreed with by someone. It's just a matter of how many people disagree with it. We should strive for politics that reflect an uncompromising support for human rights, a willingness to enact change for the better, and an understanding that everything else must be tempered by reason and compromise.

I disagree.

 

[I_are_sceptical]

If people would look at all the facts in my post here then there would be no division over politics.

I'm not sure I should give my honest opinion about this statement.

 

[Dannager]

I disagree.

Haha

 

[I_are_sceptical]

There is no such thing as a non-divisive belief. Any belief, no matter how seemingly innocuous, will be strongly disagreed with by someone.

In my religion we know who our leaders are, and willingly consent to follow them. That keeps us united.

Yes, there is strong disagreement. But the people who disagree have left the group.

 

[Dannager]

In my religion we know who our leaders are, and willingly consent to follow them. That keeps us united.

Yes, there is strong disagreement. But the people who disagree have left the group.

It doesn't strike you as more than a little meaningless that you define "unity" as "bringing together everyone who agrees with you and ignoring the ones who disagree to the point where they abandon you"? Because, as far as I'm aware, that's the definition of divisiveness.

 

[I_are_sceptical]

It doesn't strike you as more than a little meaningless that you define "unity" as "bringing together everyone who agrees with you and ignoring the ones who disagree to the point where they abandon you"?

That is not my religion's definition of unity.

 

[NeTrips]

It doesn't strike you as more than a little meaningless that you define "unity" as "bringing together everyone who agrees with you and ignoring the ones who disagree to the point where they abandon you"? Because, as far as I'm aware, that's the definition of divisiveness.

which is why I do not view Obama as a uniter but as just another in a long list of dividers.

But ya know what? That's how it should be. If 51%+ of the people vote for someone promoting liberal politics or conservative politics, then that's what they should deliver. If 51%+ voted for a middle of the road politician, then they should rightly receive middle of the road policies, laws, etc.

 

[Dannager]

That is not my religion's definition of unity.

That is what you described it as. Whether your religion preaches it or not is irrelevant. You have your beliefs, and anyone who disagrees leaves. There is nothing uniting about that. Your beliefs are causing people to leave your group, which means that there is something inherently divisive about them. Which is my point - there's no such thing as beliefs that do not divide. The question is merely the extent to which the division reaches. Religion, almost invariably, divides dramatically. Politics divides in a broad spectrum of degrees. There are ways to conduct politics while maintaining a strong level of unity among all peoples. It becomes more difficult with religion.

 

[Voegelin]

which is why I do not view Obama as a uniter but as just another in a long list of dividers.

Did you hear Obama's pastor on Rush or O'Reilly this afternoon?

My gosh, I've read what Rev. Wright has said, the schtick is pretty well known but to listen to Wright's delivery and to know we have a candidate for President who has supported this stuff for 20 years takes your breath away. Rush characterized it as "insanity"--"racial insanity". I would have to agree. I've heard Farrakhan be more restrained than this guy.

O'Reilly is going to play clips of it tonight. Almost makes me want to get a TV again.

What is even more amazing that Wright, whose rhetoric is really nothing new, are the commentators who are attempting to compare Obama and Wright with John F. Kennedy and the Catholic church.

The American public is being given, as they were with Clinton, a collective IQ test. I don't think anyone will buy the comparison but perhaps some will. Certainly many will pretend to buy it.

 

[JGL53]

Right - like the Rev. Hagee is so much more sane.

 

[Voegelin]

Right - like the Rev. Hagee is so much more sane.

That the default excuse? Everybody does it? Hagee is "just like" Rev. Wright? Whatever Hagee has said is "just like" Rev. Wright honoring Louis Farrakhan? Obama's membership in Wright's church should be excused because of what Hagee has said?

I never heard of Hagee until this month. Don't know anyone running for president who has donated to and attended his church for 20 years. I suppose if there was such a person, a candidate as wrapped up in Hagee as Obama is in Rev Wright, from the limited things I know of Hagee, I would not vote for such a person.

Barack Hussein Obama has been a supporter of Rev. Wright for two decades. Wright married the Obama's. Wright baptized their children. Rolling Stone Magazine wrote last year:

Obama wasn't born into Wright's world . . .Obama could have picked any church — the spare, spiritual places in Hyde Park, the awesome pomp and procession of the cathedrals downtown. He could have picked a mosque, for that matter, or even a synagogue. Obama chose Trinity United. He picked Jeremiah Wright . . ."If you want to understand where Barack gets his feeling and rhetoric from," says the Rev. Jim Wallis, a leader of the religious left, "just look at Jeremiah Wright."

Source: Rolling Stone "Destiny's Child" by Ben Wallace-Wells Feb 22, 2007

 

[JGL53]

So? I still prefer Obama. McCain has an uncontrollable temper. I don't want him anywhere around a red phone with one button. Plus, he has a dirty mouth. And he's divorced.

Barack is a good family man and he says he loves Jesus and Jesus loves him. That's good enough for me.

Why is that not good enough for you? Is there something personal about Barack that you find off-putting? Don't like his hair-doo, perhaps?

 

[invisible trousers]

Oh man, good thing Wright isn't running for president!

 

[I_are_sceptical]

Whether your religion preaches it or not is irrelevant.

If someone said "Whether Christianity preaches it or not is irrelevant" what would your response be?

Your beliefs are causing people to leave your group

From where do you get this information?

One more thing: I posted my first comment in a religious thread. I have no interest in discussing politics.

 

[Carey]

Where did Obama get all that money for his campaign??


Obama is related to the first guy and wants to start talks with the other or so he says...Is Armadinijad a
longhorns Fan??





IS ABDULLAH A LONG HORN FAN??

WOW - even King Abdullah and Putty Pute are fans, everybody's doing it!

Is this guy a fan??

France President Sarcozy

How about Arafat??

Yasser Arafat

Italian Prime minister Berlusconi

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False Religions/Wicca & Witchcraft/signs_of_satan.htm​

 

[NPH]

Where did Obama get all that money for his campaign??

He got a little bit of it from me.

I guess that means he's a part of that evil 'ole atheist/homosexual agenda now, eh? XD

 

[Dannager]

If someone said "Whether Christianity preaches it or not is irrelevant" what would your response be?

I'd say they're right.

From where do you get this information?

You said it yourself.

Yes, there is strong disagreement. But the people who disagree have left the group.

One more thing: I posted my first comment in a religious thread. I have no interest in discussing politics.

That was my point: you should have an interest in discussing politics. If your argument is that you don't discuss politics because they're divisive, you have no business discussing your religious beliefs, since they are clearly divisive as well.

 

[Dannager]

He got a little bit of it from me.

And me. And like half of this thread.