Obama pro/con

[Nathan45]

Obama is the Manchurian candidate? I thought that was McCain - he was the one brainwashed for five years while caged like a monkey.

Ok, that is seriously the wrong way to go about attacking McCain.

 

[WiredSpirit]

Ok, that is seriously the wrong way to go about attacking McCain.

I agree. I don't have anything against political humor, if that was the intention, but if it is a serious attack that is just wrong.

McCain is respectable, and I would expect a relatively clean and honest presidency from him. I have some major disagreements with him, but I'd expect his administration to be more transparent and honest than the current one.

 

[DieHappy]

Obama is the Manchurian candidate? I thought that was McCain - he was the one brainwashed for five years while caged like a monkey.

Edit because apparently we all missed the sarcasm, or else it wasn't there but he wants us to think it was after reading the responses.

 

[Conspiracy Theory]

Obama's church may be getting in trouble with the IRS.

 

[NeTrips]

Obama's church may be getting in trouble with the IRS.

interesting article.

the United Church of Christ, recently disclosed that it's being investigated by the Internal Revenue Service for a speech Sen. Obama gave to 10,000 people at a church conference in June in Hartford, Conn., in which he mentioned his candidacy and parts of his platform, namely health-care reform.

 

[Carey]

Obama Supports North American Union Agenda
Dallas Morning News
February 21, 2008

Starting my first year in office, I will convene annual meetings with Mr. Calderon and the prime minister of Canada. Unlike similar summits under President Bush, these will be conducted with a level of transparency that represents the close ties among our three countries. We will seek the active and open involvement of citizens, labor, the private sector and non-governmental organizations in setting the agenda and making progress.

http://noworldsystem.com/2008/02/23/...-union-agenda/

‘No World System’ is meticulous in its research and digs only for the important news. ‘No World System’ doesn’t buy into the 2-Party Left Right Paradigm, the Neo-cons and the Neo-libs are both controlled by the Global Elite in this country that work together to achieve the same aspirations for a New World Order.

“Out of these troubled times, our fifth objective - a New World Order - can emerge. . . Now, we can see a New World Order coming into view. A world in which there is a very real prospect for a New World Order. . .A world where the United Nations, freed from a Cold War stalemate, is poised to fulfill the historic vision of its founders.” … “My vision of a New World Order forsees a UN with a revitalized peacekeeping function. It is the sacred principles enshrined in the UN charter to which we henceforth pledge our allegiance.” -George Bush Sr.
“We had a World view, Republican and Democratic presidents alike; from Harry Truman to George Bush. . .stood for freedom. . .and stood for certain propositions that would make America strong and healthy and grow the middle class and shrink poverty and stand against Communism. . .and after 1989 President Bush said a phrase i often use myself that we needed a New World Order.” - Bill Clinton
“Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as internationalists and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure, One World if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty and I am proud of it.” -David Rockefeller

http://noworldsystem.com/about/

What is the NAU and the NAFTA Superhighway? The NAFTA Superhighway (aka: Trans Texas Corridor - TTC) will be a large construction project, spanning 4-football-fields wide starting within the depths of Mexico, straight across the USA and into Canada. This inter-connected daisy-chain is linked to other Trade Corridors and existing interstate highways.
The existing interstate highways will be privatized and tolled, all vehicles and trucks will be scanned, Mexican Freight Trucks will not be searched and mainly will be carrying large containers full of cheap slave-goods made in Far-East and Communist countries.
The NAFTA Superhighway will use tracks for commuter rail and high-speed freight rail; depots for rail lines; pipelines for oil, water and natural gas; and electrical towers for cabling for communication and telephone lines.

​

The North American Union (NAU) and the NAFTA Superhighway have been going according to plan for years now and the mainstream media continues to keep the American public in the dark. The President has attended secret meetings, and has signed around 2 agreements under the Security and Prosperity Partnership program (a creation of the Council on Foreign Relations), along with former PM Paul Martin (now Stephen Harper), and Mexican President Vicente Fox (now Felipe Calderon). All agreed to; Integrate Mexico, Canada and the United States into one Continental Super-State (like the European Union), implement in a tri-national ‘North American Union’ ID card containing sensitive biometric information via the ‘REAL ID Act of 2005′ which is to be set in place on December 31, 2009 by the Department of Homeland Security.
Like magic, no more illegal immigration problem.

​

All of this is supposed to take place by 2010, and then on the NAU will gradually progress into a American Union (AU), much like the European Union (EU). With one government, one flag, one currency (Amero), one military, one Constitution and all three countries will share one border. We see the erosion of the US Constitution and Bill of Rights via Orwellian Legislation being signed, the Continuity of Government only becomes clearer as the elite push on with their current agenda.

​

If you dread this concept as I do, I suggest you research the NAU. It is up to you to find out what is happening to the Sovereignty of this nation, do we want to live under one flag, one currency, one big brother government police state?
Start here:

http://noworldsystem.com/what-is-the...merican-union/
​

 

[Carey]

Obama Supports North American Union Agenda
Dallas Morning News
February 21, 2008

Starting my first year in office, I will convene annual meetings with Mr. Calderon and the prime minister of Canada. Unlike similar summits under President Bush, these will be conducted with a level of transparency that represents the close ties among our three countries. We will seek the active and open involvement of citizens, labor, the private sector and non-governmental organizations in setting the agenda and making progress.

http://noworldsystem.com/2008/02/23/...-union-agenda/

‘No World System’ is meticulous in its research and digs only for the important news. ‘No World System’ doesn’t buy into the 2-Party Left Right Paradigm, the Neo-cons and the Neo-libs are both controlled by the Global Elite in this country that work together to achieve the same aspirations for a New World Order.

“Out of these troubled times, our fifth objective - a New World Order - can emerge. . . Now, we can see a New World Order coming into view. A world in which there is a very real prospect for a New World Order. . .A world where the United Nations, freed from a Cold War stalemate, is poised to fulfill the historic vision of its founders.” … “My vision of a New World Order forsees a UN with a revitalized peacekeeping function. It is the sacred principles enshrined in the UN charter to which we henceforth pledge our allegiance.” -George Bush Sr.​

“We had a World view, Republican and Democratic presidents alike; from Harry Truman to George Bush. . .stood for freedom. . .and stood for certain propositions that would make America strong and healthy and grow the middle class and shrink poverty and stand against Communism. . .and after 1989 President Bush said a phrase i often use myself that we needed a New World Order.” - Bill Clinton​

“Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as internationalists and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure, One World if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty and I am proud of it.” -David Rockefeller​

http://noworldsystem.com/about/​

What is the NAU and the NAFTA Superhighway? The NAFTA Superhighway (aka: Trans Texas Corridor - TTC) will be a large construction project, spanning 4-football-fields wide starting within the depths of Mexico, straight across the USA and into Canada. This inter-connected daisy-chain is linked to other Trade Corridors and existing interstate highways.​

The existing interstate highways will be privatized and tolled, all vehicles and trucks will be scanned, Mexican Freight Trucks will not be searched and mainly will be carrying large containers full of cheap slave-goods made in Far-East and Communist countries.​

The NAFTA Superhighway will use tracks for commuter rail and high-speed freight rail; depots for rail lines; pipelines for oil, water and natural gas; and electrical towers for cabling for communication and telephone lines.​

​

The North American Union (NAU) and the NAFTA Superhighway have been going according to plan for years now and the mainstream media continues to keep the American public in the dark. The President has attended secret meetings, and has signed around 2 agreements under the Security and Prosperity Partnership program (a creation of the Council on Foreign Relations), along with former PM Paul Martin (now Stephen Harper), and Mexican President Vicente Fox (now Felipe Calderon). All agreed to; Integrate Mexico, Canada and the United States into one Continental Super-State (like the European Union), implement in a tri-national ‘North American Union’ ID card containing sensitive biometric information via the ‘REAL ID Act of 2005′ which is to be set in place on December 31, 2009 by the Department of Homeland Security. ​

Like magic, no more illegal immigration problem. ​

​

All of this is supposed to take place by 2010, and then on the NAU will gradually progress into a American Union (AU), much like the European Union (EU). With one government, one flag, one currency (Amero), one military, one Constitution and all three countries will share one border. We see the erosion of the US Constitution and Bill of Rights via Orwellian Legislation being signed, the Continuity of Government only becomes clearer as the elite push on with their current agenda. ​

​

If you dread this concept as I do, I suggest you research the NAU. It is up to you to find out what is happening to the Sovereignty of this nation, do we want to live under one flag, one currency, one big brother government police state? ​

Start here: ​

http://noworldsystem.com/what-is-the...merican-union/​

( quote ) Obama Supports North American Union Agenda
Dallas Morning News
February 21, 2008Starting my first year in office, I will convene annual meetings with Mr. Calderon and the prime minister of Canada. Unlike similar summits under President Bush, these will be conducted with a level of transparency that represents the close ties among our three countries. We will seek the active and open involvement of citizens, labor, the private sector and non-governmental organizations in setting the agenda and making progress.

http://noworldsystem.com/2008/02/23/...-union-agenda/

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/...dorses_o_1.php

Sen. Jay Rockefeller Endorses Obama

29 Feb 2008 02:47 pm
Arguably, the man who knows more about the present threats to the United States than any other Democrats -- he is the chairman of senate intelligence committee and gets to see all the top secret / codeword stuff -- Sen. Jay. Rockefeller -- endorses Sen. Barack Obama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brYW...obama-the-antichrist.html&page=7#post44518980

( quote ) “We had a World view, Republican and Democratic presidents alike; from Harry Truman to George Bush. . .stood for freedom. . .and stood for certain propositions that would make America strong and healthy and grow the middle class and shrink poverty and stand against Communism. . .and after 1989 President Bush said a phrase i often use myself that we needed a New World Order.” - Bill Clinton
“Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as internationalists and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure, One World if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty and I am proud of it.” - ( David Rockafeller )

 

[NeTrips]

OK, Tell Me Again Why You Think Barack Is A "Uniter?"



Legal expert and blogger extraordinaire Ed Whelan makes an observation in the Weekly Standard that I had completely overlooked. Not only did Sen. Barack Obama vote against Sam Alito (appointed by a 58-42 majority), but Sen. "Reach Across Party Lines" voted against Chief Justice John Roberts.

Roberts was appointed with a 78-22 majority.

Sen. Obama's vote against Justice Roberts is both hypocritical and reprehensible. There is no justification for any vote against Roberts. He was clearly qualified for the job and nearly every serious legal authority in America supported his nomination. The 22 Democrats who voted against him were doing so on purely political grounds: "We know he's competent and qualified, but no judges should be appointed, no matter how brilliant, unless they agree with us."

So much for the Left's obsession with an independent judiciary.

But Obama's vote is worse, because he spends all day attacking partisanship and "business as usual." He's going to unite us, get something done, forget about party labels, blah, blah, blah.

Then, when it's time to actually vote, he sides with the most partisan, most liberal extremists in his party.

A vote for John Roberts was a no-brainer. You had to be looking to pick a partisan fight in order to deny him this job.

So, tell me again how Sen. Obama is going to "heal" my soul? Please, Michelle. Save it for the Oprah dopes on the stump.

http://thenaturaltruth.blogspot.com/2008/03/ok-tell-me-again-why-you-think-barack.html

 

[Carey]

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/...dorses_o_1.php

Sen. Jay Rockefeller Endorses Obama

29 Feb 2008 02:47 pm
Arguably, the man who knows more about the present threats to the United States than any other Democrats -- he is the chairman of senate intelligence committee and gets to see all the top secret / codeword stuff -- Sen. Jay. Rockefeller -- endorses Sen. Barack Obama


Obama Supports North American Union Agenda
Dallas Morning News
February 21, 2008

Starting my first year in office, I will convene annual meetings with Mr. Calderon and the prime minister of Canada. Unlike similar summits under President Bush, these will be conducted with a level of transparency that represents the close ties among our three countries. We will seek the active and open involvement of citizens, labor, the private sector and non-governmental organizations in setting the agenda and making progress.

http://noworldsystem.com/2008/02/23/...-union-agenda/




( quote ) “We had a World view, Republican and Democratic presidents alike; from Harry Truman to George Bush. . .stood for freedom. . .and stood for certain propositions that would make America strong and healthy and grow the middle class and shrink poverty and stand against Communism. . .and after 1989 President Bush said a phrase i often use myself that we needed a New World Order.” - bill Clinton
“Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as internationalists and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure, One World if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty and I am proud of it.” - ( David Rockafeller )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brYW...ats-really-important.html&page=5#post44522956

What is the NAU and the NAFTA Superhighway? The NAFTA Superhighway (aka: Trans Texas Corridor - TTC) will be a large construction project, spanning 4-football-fields wide starting within the depths of Mexico, straight across the USA and into Canada. This inter-connected daisy-chain is linked to other Trade Corridors and existing interstate highways.
The existing interstate highways will be privatized and tolled, all vehicles and trucks will be scanned, Mexican Freight Trucks will not be searched and mainly will be carrying large containers full of cheap slave-goods made in Far-East and Communist countries.
The NAFTA Superhighway will use tracks for commuter rail and high-speed freight rail; depots for rail lines; pipelines for oil, water and natural gas; and electrical towers for cabling for communication and telephone lines.

​

The North American Union (NAU) and the NAFTA Superhighway have been going according to plan for years now and the mainstream media continues to keep the American public in the dark. The President has attended secret meetings, and has signed around 2 agreements under the Security and Prosperity Partnership program (a creation of the Council on Foreign Relations), along with former PM Paul Martin (now Stephen Harper), and Mexican President Vicente Fox (now Felipe Calderon). All agreed to; Integrate Mexico, Canada and the United States into one Continental Super-State (like the European Union), implement in a tri-national ‘North American Union’ ID card containing sensitive biometric information via the ‘REAL ID Act of 2005′ which is to be set in place on December 31, 2009 by the Department of Homeland Security.
Like magic, no more illegal immigration problem.

​

All of this is supposed to take place by 2010, and then on the NAU will gradually progress into a American Union (AU), much like the European Union (EU). With one government, one flag, one currency (Amero), one military, one Constitution and all three countries will share one border. We see the erosion of the US Constitution and Bill of Rights via Orwellian Legislation being signed, the Continuity of Government only becomes clearer as the elite push on with their current agenda.

​

If you dread this concept as I do, I suggest you research the NAU. It is up to you to find out what is happening to the Sovereignty of this nation, do we want to live under one flag, one currency, one big brother government police state?
Start here:

http://noworldsystem.com/what-is-the...merican-union/

 

[JGL53]

Ok, that is seriously the wrong way to go about attacking McCain.

Attacking? I was being sarcastic. I don't really think any of the three candidates are actually Manchurian candidates.

Duh.

 

[JGL53]

Jerk

I wasn't aware that ad hominem was a christian value.

Thanks for the heads up.

 

[Adivi]

http://thenaturaltruth.blogspot.com/2008/03/ok-tell-me-again-why-you-think-barack.html

So in order to be a 'uniter' he must agree with the majority on everything?

 

[Caitlin.ann]

Well considering it would be easier for me, I don't mind. My fiancee is from Canada and it would be easier on both of us if this thing existed, I think.

 

[Steezie]

More of this George Orwell scare tactics crap. Seems like nobody in politics can do anything without someone having a Big Brother-gasm

 

[Caitlin.ann]

On the other hand, if we did become similar to the UN more people would migrate south towards the warmer, more desirable climates and I would have New England all to myself.

 

[Steezie]

On the other hand, if we did become similar to the UN more people would migrate south towards the warmer, more desirable climates and I would have New England all to myself.

Score

Booyah for colder climate I hate hot weather

 

[Carey]

Well considering it would be easier for me, I don't mind. My fiancee is from Canada and it would be easier on both of us if this thing existed, I think.

Its only the beginning.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_6P7LoJVuk&feature=related

 

[Steezie]

Its only the beginning.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_6P7LoJVuk&feature=related

And then....to the horror of all, the final part of this plan will be unveiled

CHAOS WILL RUUUUULE!!!

And there will be riots in the streets!!!

Then we'll all be like

 

[français]

So how is this predicted in your religion? And if your religion is Christianity, why are you posting in the NON Christian section?

Stop playing games dude!

 

[praying]

interesting article.

the United Church of Christ, recently disclosed that it's being investigated by the Internal Revenue Service for a speech Sen. Obama gave to 10,000 people at a church conference in June in Hartford, Conn., in which he mentioned his candidacy and parts of his platform, namely health-care reform.

Indeed

An increasing number of complaints to the IRS over church politicking have triggered agency probes into both liberal and conservative religious groups. A Baptist church in California has acknowledged it's under IRS scrutiny after a watchdog group complained that the church backed Republican Mike Huckabee in his recently ended bid for the White House.