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I understand that Billy Graham has an agreement with the Vatican, that if any catholics come forward to be saved, that there are nuns and priests present at the crusade to bring them 'back into the mother church'!
Here are some interesting articles about Graham...

http://www.chick.com/reading/books/260/0260excerpt.asp
http://www.tbaptist.com/aab/billygrahamcrusade.htm
http://www.cephasministry.com/evangelicism_the_trojan_horse_of_the_1990s.html
(the above url is the one about Grahams catholic connections)
http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/romancatholicleaders.htm

There are many more articles proving that Billy Graham is NOT what many make him out to be. Sorry Chris--but your really do need to do your homework.

You are so quick to criticize the SDA church while turning a blind eye to those you espouse.
 
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I understand that Billy Graham has an agreement with the Vatican, that if any catholics come forward to be saved, that there are nuns and priests present at the crusade to bring them 'back into the mother church'!

There are many more articles proving that Billy Graham is NOT what many make him out to be. Sorry Chris--but your really do need to do your homework.

You are so quick to criticize the SDA church while turning a blind eye to those you espouse.


4 Posts and I am judged by you.

How nice of you.

I feel so loved

So Sorry I bothered you
 
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I understand that Billy Graham has an agreement with the Vatican, that if any catholics come forward to be saved, that there are nuns and priests present at the crusade to bring them 'back into the mother church'!

There are many more articles proving that Billy Graham is NOT what many make him out to be. Sorry Chris--but your really do need to do your homework.

You are so quick to criticize the SDA church while turning a blind eye to those you espouse.


4 Posts and I am judged by you.

How nice of you.

I feel so loved

So Sorry I bothered you


I'm not judging you at all friend. I was just showing you that Billy Graham is not without fault. And you did seem to be suggesting something negative about our church. We are a bit shell shocked in here because of the continued attacks, so if I over-stepped, I AM SORRY!!! :cry:
 
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I'm not judging you at all friend. I was just showing you that Billy Graham is not without fault. And you did seem to be suggesting something negative about our church. We are a bit shell shocked in here because of the continued attacks, so if I over-stepped, I AM SORRY!!! :cry:

I accept your apology.

I think we all need to be more in tune with what is really posted rather than jumping to some conclusion.

I stand by what I posted in regard to Jim Larmore's post:
Anyone ever heard which denomination Billy Graham is in? Did he ever announce which church he belonged to before he started preaching each time? How about any evangelical preacher? Just curious.

The difference is that Billy Graham doesn't end up with the ultimate sermon: Belong to so and so denomination or you're doomed. He doesn't lead you back to his congregation.

His chruch is that of Jesus Christ: Death for remission of sins, His Burial for change and His Resurrection for our Eternal Life.

His chruch is about the people who hunger and thrist for righteousness. He uses many people from many churches:
In the months leading up to the Crusade, more than 1,400 churches mobilized to lift up the name of Christ in their neighborhoods and to invite people to the Crusade.
Sorry I cannot give you an url since I do not have enough posts.



I am just trying to present facts that I know. I know that the Revelation Seminars are very secretive and I know that the ultimate goal is to get them in the SDA church.

My ultimate goal is to get EVERYONE into the Chruch of Jesus Christ thru His Death for remission of sins, His Burial for change and His Resurrection for Our Eternal Life.

As far as fault, there is none of us without fault.

Give Glory to God because He took care of those faults so that we could be in the presence of Our Father, His Ultimate Goal from The Beginning.
 
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Having been to a "secret" Revelation Seminar I can assure that they did all they could be to as "un-secret" as possible. Especially by putting that double-sided and lighted sign out in front of the church they were at.

I know that the Revelation Seminars are very secretive and I know that the ultimate goal is to get them in the SDA church.

You mean kinda like a Billy Graham revival?
 
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Having been to a "secret" Revelation Seminar I can assure that they did all they could be to as "un-secret" as possible. Especially by putting that double-sided and lighted sign out in front of the church they were at.

RND, once again you nailed it! We've had revelation seminars at our church before, and the information about the seminars is right underneath our big church sign that says "Seventh-day Adventist Church."

I don't think for a second that I'm giving adults too much credit when I assume they could figure out which denominational view is going to be presented at those seminars.

Honor, wasn't it Billy Graham that Doug Bachelor had to rebuke because he (Billy Graham) said that we don't believe in hell? Then in the next breath Billy Graham said we feel that anyone that doesn't keep the Sabbath is going straight to hell?

If it was Billy Graham, he is also the one that said we try to disguise what church is presenting the seminars.

There are way too many sheeple out there.
 
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Ahh--well--there you go. I apologize for thinking I jumped the gun and them you turn around and do just what I suggested you were doing and that is bashing my church.

Have a nice day.
Forgive me.

Isaiah 64
6But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

I am so sorry that I stepped into your perfect church forum.

Grace and Peace from Our Father who shed His Blood so that we might all be with Him some day.
 
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Forgive me.

Isaiah 64
6But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

I am so sorry that I stepped into your perfect church forum.

Grace and Peace from Our Father who shed His Blood so that we might all be with Him some day.

What you did Chris was to come into an SDA forum and proceed to attack us. Just how well did you think THAT was going to be received? Think hard now!
 
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RND, once again you nailed it! We've had revelation seminars at our church before, and the information about the seminars is right underneath our big church sign that says "Seventh-day Adventist Church."

I don't think for a second that I'm giving adults too much credit when I assume they could figure out which denominational view is going to be presented at those seminars.

Honor, wasn't it Billy Graham that Doug Bachelor had to rebuke because he (Billy Graham) said that we don't believe in hell? Then in the next breath Billy Graham said we feel that anyone that doesn't keep the Sabbath is going straight to hell?

If it was Billy Graham, he is also the one that said we try to disguise what church is presenting the seminars.

There are way too many sheeple out there.
Actually Trust--I think that was Jerry Falwell. He attacked EGW and the Sabbath and yes--he made that stupid remark about us teaching that you'll go to hell if you don't keep the Sabbath! Doug caught that lie and publicized it. I still have the tape of that program.
 
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I am just trying to present facts that I know. I know that the Revelation Seminars are very secretive and I know that the ultimate goal is to get them in the SDA church.

The last seminar my church had WAS at our church. Not sure how secret that is. I'm pretty sure we did not cover up the sign or anything.

I have no problems telling people what church is putting on the seminar. And our goal is to get people to have a relationship with Jesus - nothing wrong with joining the SDA church in the process.
 
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Forgive me.

Isaiah 64
6But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

I am so sorry that I stepped into your perfect church forum.

Grace and Peace from Our Father who shed His Blood so that we might all be with Him some day.

Just wandered over here and saw this conversation. I thought it would be good to inform ChrisCarol that this sub-forum is the Traditional SDA sub-forum. In which you receive the TSDA viewpoint you will see other viewpoints in the Progressive SDA sub-forum or the Discussion and Debate Sub-forum.
 
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Just wandered over here and saw this conversation. I thought it would be good to inform ChrisCarol that this sub-forum is the Traditional SDA sub-forum. In which you receive the TSDA viewpoint you will see other viewpoints in the Progressive SDA sub-forum or the Discussion and Debate Sub-forum.
Thank you.

I know that there is a progressive board where I can voice my opinion more appreciably.

My crime was that I saw a post which made a speculation about another evangelist and this post wanted to put him(Billy Graham) in the same category as Revivial Sermons.

I only said a truth: The difference in the 2 is that SDA
proselytizes to SDA church where as Billy Graham preaches only: Come to Jesus and attend the chruch of your choice.

I was trying to correct an error in the acutal posting. But you see you do not correct the perfect chruch or it's members. Therefore is the reason I have the history with the SDA church that I do.
 
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I'm not surprised about this announcement, but I am shocked that Lee and his board have done this thing. I understood when a certain person in this forum was actively promoting Wicca and satanism and got banned.

But just because other Christians interpret the bible is a way that others ( the majority) do not, should not be a prerequisite to banishment into the forbidden forumland.

I agree. While I disagree with Adventists and their interpretation of the Bible on a few points, I DO NOT consider the SDA Church a Cult and there is a place for an SDA forum on here.

I would not in any way equate the SDAs with Mormons and JWs who ARE cults.

I'll make no bones about it that I think the SDA church has a few doctrines which I consider aberrant but it is still a Christian church and still a part of the Body of Messiah IMHO.

Shalom,

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hi chriscarol,
have you had a lot of encounters with sdas and the doctrines?

and did you mean our revelation seminars are secretive, or that we have a hidden agenda of getting people to join our church?

teresaq
Thank you teresaq for asking.

I pray that we can communicate in a loving and productive way as children of Our Heavenly Father.

To answer your question; in 1998 I was introduced to SDA thru my son-in-law. Y2K was coming and he was feeling stressed because of it and found comfort and solice in something that promised him "something" if he did what SDA was teaching.

I had never heard of any doctrine of the SDA church. I only knew that there was one some 10 blocks from me and 1 block from the church which I attend(Mennonite).

When my daughter told me of s-i-l's going to SDA I began to try to find out all I could about it. There was little to be found at that time since I did not have internet. I believe this was The Province of God because what it made me do was study deep in my Bible and my Bible alone to find out why I had gone to church on Sunday all my life if in fact the Sabbath was still in effect.

Of great interest in the 6 months of my study were Galatians 3-5, Hebrews, Romans, 2 Corinthians 3. I learned of the covenants and the difference in the Old(was to lead us to Christ) and the New(was the reality ). I had never really understood Christ's total sacrifice for all my sins even though I had been in church all my life.

I asked my s-i-l many questions of which most of the time there was an air of avoidance or he had all the right answers and when I specifically asked what lead him to SDA he said: "They had the truth". I asked where Jesus commanded us to keep the Sabbath and I am still waiting for that answer as I am from any SDA whom I have come in contact thru the internet.

In 2001 I obtained internet and that is where my real knowledge of what the doctrines really were came into focus. I had heard of IJ but try as I may I could not line it up with scripture. Soul sleep was a mute point to me since I told s-i-l that I was only trusting that God had a plan and place for me because I had seen it in His Word and I was leaving all the details to Him. My s-i-l said but it's the truth. To that I would add: "Who do you know who has ever come back from the grave to tell you what happens on the other side". This is what I know from what the Bible says, we are not to be concerned with death and I am not. I am concerned with life of which I have been given by my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ John 3:16.

As far as the revelation seminars, yes I believe they are secretive and that they do have a hidden agenda to bring a person(who does not a living faith )to a mindset of what they must do to obtain eternal life. That to me is false. There is only one way to obtain eternal life and that is to believe in the Death for remission of sins, Burial for change and Resurrection for our Eternal Life.

I pray that everyone reading this will realize that I was asked the question and am only responding because I was asked. Thank you for understanding my reason for giving this information.
 
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Chris-my husband was Mennonite before becoming SDA and his parents and brother and S-I-L still are.

It's amazing that even though they attend church each sunday--they know very little about salvation or any other theme of scripture. I'm not sure what goes on at their churches, but I'm sure it cannot be bible study since they are in such ignorance of what it teaches.

I'll never forget a family get together that occurred in my father-in-laws house one weekend. My daughter in law was getting interested in what SDA's taught because she had been raised a baptist and our views were like night and day. So as she and I began a conversation about the state of the dead, my father in law--who was NOT actually a party to this conversation butted in very rudely and said "we are NOT suppose to understand the things in the bible and I won't have it discussed in my house"!!! WHOA!!! Needless to say that ended that conversation pretty fast. She and I discussed later that that was a pretty weird reaction for someone claiming to be a Christian.

And I can tell you that that IS the case. I have been in this family for 25 yrs and have NEVER -- NOT ONE TIME heard them discuss God, the bible, salvation,Jesus--NOTTA-NOTHING. So I must say that my opinion of the Mennonite church is--well--lets just say, I'm not impressed.

BTW--my husband is so thankful that we met and that thru my family (SDA's) he has found God--salvation thru the merits of Christ and a more thorough understanding of scripture than would have had staying in his families church.

I even spoke with their pastor once and found his knowledge of scripture lacking as well. Hope you are not offended. But this is the experience I have had with the Mennonites.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menno_Simons
 
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Just so there is no confusion as to the reason I stated my church affiliation. I stated it so no one would think I wanted it to be a secret.

That being said I worship with a body of believers in a Mennonite church. I do not defend that church because there is no church which is perfect since all are made up of imperfect humans.

I defend The Church of Jesus Christ which teaches the only Truth: Jesus Death for remission of sins, His Burial for change and His Resurrection for our Eternal Life.

Worthy is the Lamb that was slain.

http://www.onwingsoffaith.com/watch_the_lamb.htm
 
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Just so there is no confusion as to the reason I stated my church affiliation. I stated it so no one would think I wanted it to be a secret.

That being said I worship with a body of believers in a Mennonite church. I do not defend that church because there is no church which is perfect since all are made up of imperfect humans.

Personally, I care very little about what church you attend or what denimination you're a part of CC.

I defend The Church of Jesus Christ which teaches the only Truth: Jesus Death for remission of sins, His Burial for change and His Resurrection for our Eternal Life.

Worthy is the Lamb that was slain.

http://www.onwingsoffaith.com/watch_the_lamb.htm

How are sins determined?
 
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