Protestant beliefs

[tadoflamb]

So what you mean is, what do all Christians who are not Catholic or Orthodox believe in common, that is not also believed by Catholic and Orthodox. Correct?

As a protestant for most of my life, I'm not sure there is anything that is uniquely protestant, held by all protestants.

Mary

Hi Mary,

Yes, that's correct. I'm looking for the unifying elements inside Protestantism which are unique to Protestantism.

For instance, do all Protestants have a bible with 66 books, or do all Protestants believe they are saved by faith alone. That kind of stuff.

Pax,

Tad

 

[Zecryphon]

Hi Mary,

Yes, that's correct. I'm looking for the unifying elements inside Protestantism which are unique to Protestantism.

For instance, do all Protestants have a bible with 66 books, or do all Protestants believe they are saved by faith alone. That kind of stuff.

Pax,

Tad

It's been my experience that all Protestants have a Bible that contains 66 books and that they all believe they are saved by faith alone, through grace alone, by Christ alone. I haven't met a Protestant yet that advocated a works-righteous salvation system.

 

[Mary of Bethany]

It's been my experience that all Protestants have a Bible that contains 66 books and that they all believe they are saved by faith alone, through grace alone, by Christ alone. I haven't met a Protestant yet that advocated a works-righteous salvation system.

Many Anglicans accept the deuterocanonical books of the OT, though it's an optional use. I'm not sure what you mean by works-righteous salvation, but many protestants of different sorts reject OSAS and predestination (if that's what you're getting at - I may be wrong .)

Mary

 

[Reformationist]

Hi Mary,

Yes, that's correct. I'm looking for the unifying elements inside Protestantism which are unique to Protestantism.

For instance, do all Protestants have a bible with 66 books, or do all Protestants believe they are saved by faith alone. That kind of stuff.

Pax,

Tad

I think part of the problem answering this question stems from the broad brush of Protestantism with which non-Catholic groups are often painted. For instance, I am a Christian. I am not in protest against the Catholic denomination because to be so would require that they have some measure of authority against which I am rebelling. They are, at best, a member of the Christian community and have no authority over me so I do not stand in protest, no matter how much I protest the views of your faith. So, it's difficult to answer the question you ask. It may make more sense to ask if there are views within the Presbyterian faith, or the Baptist, or Methodist, et al. that are commonly held beliefs but are not found in the Catholic denominations.

God bless

 

[JTLauder]

I don't know much about the Orthodox Church, but a big difference between Catholicism and Protestantism is in regards to baptism and salvation. Catholics believe the act of baptism grants salvation, which is why baptize babies less they die without being "saved", where as Protestants attribute baptism as an act of obedience and public proclamation of one's conscious and intentional desire to live for God and salvation.

This is a good comparison chart to start looking into things:
http://www.religionfacts.com/christianity/charts/catholic_protestant.htm

Another thing I didn't realize was different is the Catholic's concept of Atonement...Interesting...

 

[Zecryphon]

Many Anglicans accept the deuterocanonical books of the OT, though it's an optional use. I'm not sure what you mean by works-righteous salvation, but many protestants of different sorts reject OSAS and predestination (if that's what you're getting at - I may be wrong .)

Mary

By works righteous I mean, that you are saved because of something you do to earn God's favor. This is seen more in Mormonism who are not Protestants or Christians and JW's who also are not Protestants or Christians. I believe Judaism holds to this in some form as well.

 

[Reformationist]

I don't know much about the Orthodox Church, but a big difference between Catholicism and Protestantism is in regards to baptism and salvation. Catholics believe the act of baptism grants salvation, which is why baptize babies less they die without being "saved", where as Protestants attribute baptism as an act of obedience and public proclamation of one's conscious and intentional desire to live for God and salvation.

This is a good comparison chart to start looking into things:
http://www.religionfacts.com/christianity/charts/catholic_protestant.htm

Another thing I didn't realize was different is the Catholic's concept of Atonement...Interesting...

Great. Now will start the endless string of rebuttals against the idea that "baptism grants salvation." Listen, I am not Catholic and even I know they don't believe this.

Get ready, cause here it comes....

 

[Reformationist]

By works righteous I mean, that you are saved because of something you do to earn God's favor. This is seen more in Mormonism who are not Protestants or Christians and JW's who also are not Protestants or Christians. I believe Judaism holds to this in some form as well.

Second post in a row that I'm clarifying Catholic belief...what is this world coming to.

Anyway, they do not believe that they are saved because of something they do. They contend that salvation is by grace, just like Protestants, but that we obtain that grace through faith and works. Now, I would say this is a faulty premise and I contend that it is a thin line to walk but, it would be a fool's errand to ever think one could get a Catholic Christian to submit that man is saved because of something they do. Catholicism endorses a synergistic approach to salvation, much like many Protestant faiths, like Methodism.

I'm sure I've made some mistakes but I think the point I was trying to make is probably evident.

God bless

 

[Zecryphon]

Second post in a row that I'm clarifying Catholic belief...what is this world coming to.

Anyway, they do not believe that they are saved because of something they do. They contend that salvation is by grace, just like Protestants, but that we obtain that grace through faith and works. Now, I would say this is a faulty premise and I contend that it is a thin line to walk but, it would be a fool's errand to ever think one could get a Catholic Christian to submit that man is saved because of something they do. Catholicism endorses a synergistic approach to salvation, much like many Protestant faiths, like Methodism.

I'm sure I've made some mistakes but I think the point I was trying to make is probably evident.

God bless

Second post in a row that I'm clarifying Catholic belief...what is this world coming to.

What are you talking about? I never mentioned Catholics in my post.

Anyway, they do not believe that they are saved because of something they do. They contend that salvation is by grace, just like Protestants, but that we obtain that grace through faith and works. Now, I would say this is a faulty premise and I contend that it is a thin line to walk but, it would be a fool's errand to ever think one could get a Catholic Christian to submit that man is saved because of something they do. Catholicism endorses a synergistic approach to salvation, much like many Protestant faiths, like Methodism.

Again, I never said Catholics adhered to this. I've heard it said many times about Catholics, but I didn't say it.

I'm sure I've made some mistakes but I think the point I was trying to make is probably evident.

Why you've made this point to me, will remain unclear.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Probably for most would be the Eucharist and the position of Mary.

I don't know much about Lutherans views on this, though.

I am curious as to what Protestants share versus what they agree RCC is doing wrong.

Do Protestants have the same worship and teachings of GOD?

What are those teachings?

 

[Reformationist]

What are you talking about? I never mentioned Catholics in my post.

My apologies. The OP says, "What beliefs do all non-Catholic/Orthodox Christians hold in common which are unique from the beliefs of the Catholic and Orthodox Churches?" (emphasis mine)

You stated, "I haven't met a Protestant yet that advocated a works-righteous salvation system." The implication that I understood was a that you saw a "works-righteous salvation system" as something inherent to Catholicism.

Again, I'm sorry if I misunderstood.

Why you've made this point to me, will remain unclear.

I hope that you see that your derision and condescension is misplaced. I simply made a mistake. Again, my apologies for implicating you in any way.

God bless

 

[Reformationist]

I am curious as to what Protestants share versus what they agree RCC is doing wrong.

Do Protestants have the same worship and teachings of GOD?

What are those teachings?

Shortly after the reformation, the predominant views in Protestantism were widely, if not universally held, and the differences were minimal and peripheral. Now, however, they have become much more obvious.

God bless

 

[Cjwinnit]

Many Anglicans accept the deuterocanonical books of the OT, though it's an optional use.

Generally the dueterocanonical books are used but not for formulating doctrine, though I can't be sure.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Shortly after the reformation, the predominant views in Protestantism were widely, if not universally held, and the differences were minimal and peripheral. Now, however, they have become much more obvious.

God bless

God Bless.

With Luther, Calvin and Zwingli it was largley Catholic still with only a few differences.

Like you said "they have become much more obvious".

That is why I wonder how much of the Protestanism is still similiar outside of the obvious "Jesus is God" teaching.

 

[Reformationist]

God Bless.

With Luther, Calvin and Zwingli it was largley Catholic still with only a few differences.

Like you said "they have become much more obvious".

That is why I wonder how much of the Protestanism is still similiar outside of the obvious "Jesus is God" teaching.

There are/were, undoubtedly, views of the Catholic faith that were upheld as biblical throughout the reformation. I don't know that I'd go so far as to call it "largely Catholic still with only a few differences."

As for similarities, it is one of the curses of rejecting the authority of the papacy. Every uneducated, self-styled biblical expert felt justified in being as irresponsible toward the Gospel as was necessary to further their own agenda.

Alas, God is sovereign over all and I'm sure He has His purpose.

God bless

 

[BigNorsk]

Second post in a row that I'm clarifying Catholic belief...what is this world coming to.

Anyway, they do not believe that they are saved because of something they do. They contend that salvation is by grace, just like Protestants, but that we obtain that grace through faith and works. Now, I would say this is a faulty premise and I contend that it is a thin line to walk but, it would be a fool's errand to ever think one could get a Catholic Christian to submit that man is saved because of something they do. Catholicism endorses a synergistic approach to salvation, much like many Protestant faiths, like Methodism.

I'm sure I've made some mistakes but I think the point I was trying to make is probably evident.

God bless

The Council of Trent pronounced that sacraments bestow grace ex opere operato. That is, simply by their performance. No faith necessary. If a Catholic doesn't believe they are saved because of something they do they are condemned by the Council of Trent.

Marv

 

[Reformationist]

The Council of Trent pronounced that sacraments bestow grace ex opere operato. That is, simply by their performance. No faith necessary. If a Catholic doesn't believe they are saved because of something they do they are condemned by the Council of Trent.

Marv

Well, I gave it a stab at defending their view. Not sure why I did it but there you have it. Anyway, I'd venture that they see a difference between the grace bestowed in the administration of the sacraments and the grace of salvation which, as far as I know, they do not believe is immutable until one dies. As they've told me a ton of times, salvation is an ongoing process.

God bless

 

[holdon]

As they've told me a ton of times, salvation is an ongoing process.

And it is an ongoing process.

"for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed." Rom. 13:11
"but now much rather in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling," Phil. 2:12