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No --- we are. They knew their world much better than we know it.
Sure, they knew stuff most of us don't - but heck, they lived in a vastly different world! We know our world - with internet and cash machines and cars - just as well as they knew theirs.
They were avant garde for their time.
In what sense?
 
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Sure, they knew stuff most of us don't - but heck, they lived in a vastly different world! We know our world - with internet and cash machines and cars - just as well as they knew theirs.

Things don't change much over time, do they?
 
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I caught YECs in a catch 22 about evolution that they cant escape and therefore arent addressing: they say macroevolution is wrong yet subscribe to the idea that all of the tens of millions of varieties of insect descended from some orders of magnitude fewer kinds in a few thousand years which would require evolution of a much greater rate and much more profound ability to induce change than macroevolution.
 
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I caught YECs in a catch 22 about evolution that they cant escape and therefore arent addressing: they say macroevolution is wrong yet subscribe to the idea that all of the tens of millions of varieties of insect descended from some orders of magnitude fewer kinds in a few thousand years which would require evolution of a much greater rate and much more profound ability to induce change than macroevolution.

You did, huh?

And you were there all those years to observe this?

I have a feeling that if it wasn't for the Bible, you "scientists" would be catching us in a lot of "catch 22's." But God documented what He did, and believe me, no one's being caught in anything.
 
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You did, huh?

And you were there all those years to observe this?

I have a feeling that if it wasn't for the Bible, you "scientists" would be catching us in a lot of "catch 22's." But God documented what He did, and believe me, no one's being caught in anything.
So how DO you explain 350,000 (and growing) species of beetle..?
 
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So how DO you explain 350,000 (and growing) species of beetle..?

LOL --- believe me --- I don't --- (I really don't). I thought there were only about 5 kinds of beetles, myself.
 
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Deadbolt, you're on the right lines: insects weren't taken on the Ark.

In fact, only things that breathe through their nostrils were taken on the Ark. This excludes insects, which breathe through spiracles lining their body.

Personally, how insects survived if they weren't on the Ark is a mystery to me.
Same way they tend to survive floods today. Hitching rides on floating objects.

Army ants are amazing at this. When they are on a march, if they hit a river, they climb a tree, chew a leaf free, and then drop into the leaf, riding the leaf until they find a way to go from it to some other object.
 
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Same way they tend to survive floods today. Hitching rides on floating objects.

Army ants are amazing at this. When they are on a march, if they hit a river, they climb a tree, chew a leaf free, and then drop into the leaf, riding the leaf until they find a way to go from it to some other object.

Again though, Sky, we weren't there to observe what happened.
 
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LOL --- believe me --- I don't --- (I really don't). I thought there were only about 5 kinds of beetles, myself.
i already told you that there are 300 families of beetle. it's too much variation in too little time unless evolution is a lot faster and profound than we think it is.
 
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i already told you that there are 300 families of beetle.

I know you did, and I believe you.

it's too much variation in too little time unless evolution is a lot faster and profound than we think it is.

Make it as hard as you can. In fact, make it absolutely impossible to agree with the Bible. Like I say, the darker it's made, the brighter the Light shines.

I, personally, thrive on those kinds of questions; as the more "science" makes it likely it didn't happen as documented in the Scriptures, the more goosebumps I get.
 
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Same way they tend to survive floods today. Hitching rides on floating objects.

Army ants are amazing at this. When they are on a march, if they hit a river, they climb a tree, chew a leaf free, and then drop into the leaf, riding the leaf until they find a way to go from it to some other object.
Problem is 7:21.

ALL Flesh Died.
[bible]Genesis 7:21[/bible]

Doesn't leave room for bugs to survive outside the ark.
 
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Same way they tend to survive floods today. Hitching rides on floating objects.

Army ants are amazing at this. When they are on a march, if they hit a river, they climb a tree, chew a leaf free, and then drop into the leaf, riding the leaf until they find a way to go from it to some other object.
Except this would require a queen from one hive per species to survive on a leaf for a year. Since she would be without food, and would be unable to start a new colony after the flood had subsided, this hypothesis becomes vanishingly unlikely.

Unless God snapped his fingers, of course. Which then defeats the whole point of making up these naturalistic explanations.
 
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Just admit that you believe in hyperevolution.

Again, I wasn't there. When this was first proposed (by you?), the first thing that came to my mind was what Wiccan Child said, that they survived outside of the Ark. But in view of the fact that God said, "and the creeping thing," I have to believe they died in the Flood.

[bible]Genesis 6:7[/bible]

Like I said, I wasn't there, but I know this: the Ark was three stories high. If you treat these stories as dimensions, instead of floors, you could get 500 quintillion animals aboard the Ark with 500 quintillion space left over.
 
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