If you need God for Morality, why are Atheists so underrepresented in prison pop.?

[TheManeki]

I would take the position that one cannot immediately conclude that "every" 1 or 0 is known to have infinite significant figures without inspection.

Actually, I just realized I was misremembering something about significant digits earlier.

Even if you had 1 significant digit, you can still measure small probabilities. P=1e-999 still has only 1 significant digit, yet it can be used to describe a very improbable event occurring over a course of time. I wish I had remembered that earlier.

 

[LittleNipper]

It was asked, you ignored it.

Are you a fairyist, one who believes and worships fairies, or are you an afairyist?

Are demons and faries the same thing?

 

[LittleNipper]

We see the Creation itself as the act of an All-Good God.

The ALL GOOD GOD CREATED a PERFECT universe; however, the disobedience of MAN brought an end to THAT perfection. It has yet to be restored ---- read Revelations.

 

[LittleNipper]

*waits for the "NO TRUE CHRISTIAN..." gun*

I can imagine that you are the one pointing it.....

 

[cantata]

read Revelations.

I think you'll find that the name of the book is Revelation, singular.

 

[cantata]

I can imagine that you are the one pointing it.....

I would never claim that anyone is not a true Christian, if they identify as one.

 

[selfinflikted]

I think you'll find that the name of the book is Revelation, singular.

Just as an aside - and admittedly, I'm no biblical scholar - but wasn't Revelation supposed to be something that would happen within the lifetime of of the author? It seems like I remember studying that at some point... but it eludes me.

 

[cantata]

Just as an aside - and admittedly, I'm no biblical scholar - but wasn't Revelation supposed to be something that would happen within the lifetime of of the author? It seems like I remember studying that at some point... but it eludes me.

In my opinion as a theology student, yes. I believe that the prophecies in Revelation were about the Roman empire and the author's own historical circumstances, not about the End Times.

 

[LittleNipper]

Your opinion of what? Certainly not of anything I have been trying to discuss with you.

I will frame this one more time, although I confess I'm not really interested in your response any more; I think others will better clarify your general position than you. Here we go:

Your claim: So-called atheists shake their fists at God.

Others' response: They don't, any more than you shake your fist at gods you don't believe in. Atheists can't shake their fists at God because they don't believe in him, just as you can't shake your fist at Zeus because you don't believe in him.

Your response, as I understand it: Atheists discuss God, even though they claim not to believe in him, yet you do not discuss Zeus or Shiva or any other gods you do not believe in.

My response: If you were in a situation where a large number of people who believed in a god in whom you do not believe were in the position of power which many Christians are in Western society today, I consider it likely that you would discuss those gods, the holy texts and precepts of the religions in question, and so on. In other words, if you existed in relation to Hinduism in the way that many atheists exist in the West in relation to Christianity, you would want to discuss Hinduism in much the same way as many atheists wish to discuss Christianity.

I would add that many atheists also want to understand the mind of faith - another reason why they engage in what they view as hypothetical discussion of gods in whom they do not believe.

Would you care to address any of this?

"Atheists" shake their fists at GOD every time they ridicule Christians for being Christian. "Atheists" shake their fist at GOD every time they pretend insult at public exhibitions that do not concern them, not costing them anything but silence. Read the Humanist. The entire aim of that periodical is to eliminate christianity so that they do not have to hear anything. If GOD truely does not exist, why does HIS worship bother them. Again, Zeus is ignored. I look at his statues as works of art, but I do not fight either for nor against him. Sheva is the same. She does nothing because she can do nothing. My GOD works for me and that bothers atheists.

 

[cantata]

"Atheists" shake their fists at GOD every time they ridicule Christians for being Christian. "Atheists" shake their fist at GOD every time they pretend insult at public exhibitions that do not concern them, not costing them anything but silence. Read the Humanist. The entire aim of that periodical is to eliminate christianity so that they do not have to hear anything.

Again, you do not respond to the actual issues I raised. I don't wish to waste my time debating with someone who changes the subject whenever it suits them.

Have a nice day.

 

[selfinflikted]

"Atheists" shake their fists at GOD every time they ridicule Christians for being Christian. "Atheists" shake their fist at GOD every time they pretend insult at public exhibitions that do not concern them, not costing them anything but silence. Read the Humanist. The entire aim of that periodical is to eliminate christianity so that they do not have to hear anything.

That's a pretty broad brush you're painting with there.. and also, why is the word "atheist" in quotes?

 

[fated]

The ALL GOOD GOD CREATED a PERFECT universe; however, the disobedience of MAN brought an end to THAT perfection. It has yet to be restored ---- read Revelations.

Do you accept the grace of humility?

What are you trying to tell me?

 

[fated]

Just as an aside - and admittedly, I'm no biblical scholar - but wasn't Revelation supposed to be something that would happen within the lifetime of of the author? It seems like I remember studying that at some point... but it eludes me.

That is fairly complex argument. I've written that I believe an ancient Liturgy is contained in the middle of the book. It is usually titled "Vision of Heavenly Worship. (whether there because it was used or used because it was there - also, for Apostolic Churches the Liturgy is synonymous in a way with Heavenly Worship.).

You think this little comment in a forum is going to break Heaven open?

 

[cantata]

That's a pretty broad brush you're painting with there.. and also, why is the word "atheist" in quotes?

I'd give up now if I were you. I started that discussion with him the other day and it ended in him saying... well, what you just quoted, in fact.

In other words, it achieved absolutely nothing!

 

[LittleNipper]

Do you accept the grace of humility?

What are you trying to tell me?

I'm telling you that you should both read and trust your Bible. Don't let the vain knowledge of men sway you against DIVINE REVELATION. We might not understand everything, but neither do the evolutionists. Don't be fooled.

 

[LittleNipper]

That's a pretty broad brush you're painting with there.. and also, why is the word "atheist" in quotes?

I don't believe the is such a thing. Everyone has faith in something. Everyone has gods.

 

[selfinflikted]

I'd give up now if I were you. I started that discussion with him the other day and it ended in him saying... well, what you just quoted, in fact.

In other words, it achieved absolutely nothing!

Yes, I know the usual rigamarole involved in debating with LN. Some call it frustration, I call it entertainment.

I don't believe the is such a thing. Everyone has faith in something. Everyone has gods.

Then your beliefs would be incorrect.

 

[TheManeki]

Just as an aside - and admittedly, I'm no biblical scholar - but wasn't Revelation supposed to be something that would happen within the lifetime of of the author? It seems like I remember studying that at some point... but it eludes me.

The interpretation of the Book of Revelation (or the Apocalypse of John, or whatever you wish to call it) that makes most sense to me is that it concerns the 1st century Roman Empire and the Emperor Nero. (I recommend reading Ken Gentry's The Beast of Revelation for more on the subject.)

From what I've read, the interpretations followed by a lot of fundamentalists are variations on dispensationalism, an interpretation which started with John Darby in the late 19th century and was subsequently popularized by Cyrus Scofield in his reference Bible in the early 20th century. The Left Behind books were based on dispensationalism, and gleefully tell about all the sufferings meted out on the world once the Real True Christians[sup]TM[/sup] are raptured away. I like to think of this apocalyptic interpretation as The Great I-Told-You-So.

 

[fated]

I'm telling you that you should both read and trust your Bible. Don't let the vain knowledge of men sway you against DIVINE REVELATION. We might not understand everything, but neither do the evolutionists. Don't be fooled.

Jesus is the Revelation. The Bible is part of what He left behind. He also left a Church and a group of people, who knew some people, who knew some people, ..., who knew some people that I know. He also told you to eat His Flesh and drink His Blood, which He described to us under the Species of Break and Wine, that is, the Eucharist, which you likely deny. Read John 6...

 

[trivista]

I don't believe the is such a thing. Everyone has faith in something. Everyone has gods.

Please list yours.