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They were all presented as History -- as was The Scarlet Letter, The Legend of Sleepy Hollow, and The Catcher in the Rye. Therefore, by your own what-we-shall-ironically-refer-to-as-"logic," you must believe they are all true.

Are you not familiar with the term "Verisimilitude"?
No, works of fiction written in a way that pretends they are truthful does not make them history. But real accounts of real peoples that thought there was some sort of underworld are not fiction. They really do have beliefs along those lines. The bible really talks of real spirits under there as well. Why settle for a similitude of truth, when we can look at the genuine article?
 
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No, works of fiction written in a way that pretends they are truthful does not make them history. But real accounts of real peoples that thought there was some sort of underworld are not fiction. They really do have beliefs along those lines. The bible really talks of real spirits under there as well. Why settle for a similitude of truth, when we can look at the genuine article?
so works of fiction are not made to invoke real emotion, and true feelings?
 
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so works of fiction are not made to invoke real emotion, and true feelings?
Doesn't matter what the intent of a fiction writer was. We need to separate fiction from fact. The records of Egypt, for example, or the bible are simply not meant to be fictitious. This is news?
 
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Doesn't matter what the intent of a fiction writer was. We need to separate fiction from fact. The records of Egypt, for example, or the bible are simply not meant to be fictitious. This is news?
care to answer my question?
 
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No, works of fiction written in a way that pretends they are truthful does not make them history. But real accounts of real peoples that thought there was some sort of underworld are not fiction.

So The Odyssey, The Aeneid, and Dante's Inferno are not fiction to you, since they were presented as real accounts, and written by people who did think there was an underworld.


They really do have beliefs along those lines. The bible really talks of real spirits under there as well. Why settle for a similitude of truth, when we can look at the genuine article?

So, Homer, Virgil, and Dante are the genuine article to you, then.
 
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So The Odyssey, The Aeneid, and Dante's Inferno are not fiction to you, since they were presented as real accounts, and written by people who did think there was an underworld.
I'll decide what is fiction to me, thanks.
 
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The Moon is made out of Blue Cheese.
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No, men landed there. Men that were smitten with a spiritual impact that reverberated through the rest of their lives. The message sent back was not one of cheese, but of a resounding confirmation God created.

The Big Whack theory of science is so insane, and weak, and unsupportable, no one here dared to rush in to defend it. That should tell you something, kids. Time to whack that nonsense out of the park.
 
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No, you won't decide.''.
Of course I will decide. People of a sound mind, and free spirit do that sort of thing you know. I mean, what, I should get my opinions from backsliders by osmosis or something?
 
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Yes, he has. History

The only history presented was that some folks believed in spirits under the earth - not a good reason.


"It's in the Bible" is not a good reason, plus when asked for specific verses, you didn't present anything relevant.

and lack of evidence to the contrary.

I asked for a reason to believe not a reason to not disbelieve.

So basically dad, your answer was a big fat NO. You presented three things, none of which are good reasons.
 
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