Won't somebody please think of the lesbians?! and other thoughts.

[cantata]

I've read quite a few threads about homosexuality on this forum, and it seems to me that a lot of the people who think homosexual activity is wrong are mainly bothered about male-male anal sex. They contend that it is unnatural, disgusting, that it increases the risk of infection &c. All of these points are of course matters of contention and are open for discussion, but I was wondering, why is this considered an argument against all forms of homosexual activity? Note the following:

• Lesbians are homosexual.
• Bisexual men and women engage in homosexual activity.
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• Lesbians are among the least at risk of contracting sexually transmitted diseases, including HIV.
• Not all actively gay men engage in anal sex.
  (edit).

In light of these points, I was just wondering if someone would like to answer the following questions:

• Is it wrong for a couple of the same sex to kiss or caress one another in a sexual fashion?
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• Are lesbians and bisexual women as morally compromised as gay and bisexual men? If so, why are they so rarely discussed when homosexuality is the matter at issue?
• Is sexual activity between women biblically condemned?
• Finally, as a matter of interest, is it wrong for two (or more) men, two (or more) women, or an unmarried man and woman, to touch in the same room (with one another's knowledge) without touching one another?

 

[PassionFruit]

I don't believe it's wrong for a same sex couple to be physically intimate.

The issues of bondage and such, I don't believe they're wrong in themselves (sometimes I think it is strange) but I don't view it as being wrong whether the couple is straight or gay/lesiban.

Well, being a non-Christian I don't think homosexuality/bisexuality is wrong. However, to me I don't understand why there is the focus on sexual activity between two men. I would think lesibans and bisexuals would be just as morally comprised as much as homosexual men.

Not entirely certian as to whether sex between women is condemned, cause I can't remember at the top of my head. I'd can always go check.

The last question, well no.

 

[Washington]

quote: cantata

In light of these points, I was just wondering if someone would like to answer the following questions:

• Is it wrong for a couple of the same sex to kiss or caress one another in a sexual fashion? Nah. Have at it

• Are lesbians and bisexual women as morally compromised as gay and bisexual men? If so, why are they so rarely discussed when homosexuality is the matter at issue? None are morally compromised
• Is sexual activity between women biblically condemned? I have to pass
• Finally, as a matter of interest, is it wrong for two (or more) men, two (or more) women, or an unmarried man and woman, to touch in the same room (with one another's knowledge) without touching one another? Nah, have at it

 

[Merlin]

I've read quite a few threads about homosexuality on this forum, and it seems to me that a lot of the people who think homosexual activity is wrong are mainly bothered about male-male anal sex. They contend that it is unnatural, disgusting, that it increases the risk of infection &c. All of these points are of course matters of contention and are open for discussion, but I was wondering, why is this considered an argument against all forms of homosexual activity? Note the following:

• Lesbians are homosexual.
• Bisexual men and women engage in homosexual activity.
• Lesbians are among the least at risk of contracting sexually transmitted diseases, including HIV.
• Not all actively gay men engage in anal sex.

In light of these points, I was just wondering if someone would like to answer the following questions:

• Is it wrong for a couple of the same sex to kiss or caress one another in a sexual fashion?
• Are lesbians and bisexual women as morally compromised as gay and bisexual men? If so, why are they so rarely discussed when homosexuality is the matter at issue?
• Is sexual activity between women biblically condemned?
• Finally, as a matter of interest, is it wrong for two (or more) men, two (or more) women, or an unmarried man and woman, to touch in the same room (with one another's knowledge) without touching one another?

Many, even Christians, often lose focus.
The Biblical law refers to a man doing things with another man as a man does with a woman.

The law doesn't refer to a particular act, such as kissing, oral or anal sex, etc.

• Is it wrong for a couple of the same sex to kiss or caress one another in a sexual fashion?

Yes

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Wrong outside of marriage

• Are lesbians and bisexual women as morally compromised as gay and bisexual men? If so, why are they so rarely discussed when homosexuality is the matter at issue?

They are rarely discussed because few people make it an issue

• Is sexual activity between women biblically condemned?

Specifically, no.
In principle, yes.

• Finally, as a matter of interest, is it wrong for two (or more) men, two (or more) women, or an unmarried man and woman, to touch in the same room (with one another's knowledge) without touching one another?

It's not appropriate.

 

[cantata]

• Is it wrong for a couple of the same sex to kiss or caress one another in a sexual fashion?

Yes

Would you also say that unmarried same sex couples shouldn't do this? I'm trying to get at whether this is because there can't be a God-ordained union between these individuals, or because there is something inherently wrong with even mild sexual affection between same-sex couples.

• Are lesbians and bisexual women as morally compromised as gay and bisexual men? If so, why are they so rarely discussed when homosexuality is the matter at issue?

They are rarely discussed because few people make it an issue

So, to clarify, are lesbians and bisexual women as morally compromised as gay and bisexual men?

• Is sexual activity between women biblically condemned?

Specifically, no.
In principle, yes.

Could you explain this in more detail?

• Finally, as a matter of interest, is it wrong for two (or more) men, two (or more) women, or an unmarried man and woman, to touch in the same room (with one another's knowledge) without touching one another?

It's not appropriate.

Again, could you explain in a bit more detail why this is inappropriate?

 

[cantata]

Nah. Have at it

*giggle*

 

[selfinflikted]

...
They are rarely discussed because few people make it an issue.

Could you give us your thoughts on why?

 

[Merlin]

Would you also say that unmarried same sex couples shouldn't do this? I'm trying to get at whether this is because there can't be a God-ordained union between these individuals, or because there is something inherently wrong with even mild sexual affection between same-sex couples.

Leviticus 20: 13 If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done
what is detestable

Romans 1:26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women
exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.
27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed
with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in
themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

So, to clarify, are lesbians and bisexual women as morally compromised as gay and bisexual men?

From the bible quotes, i'd say yes.

 

[stan1980]

The bible just doesn't paint itself in glory sometimes. For shame.

 

[ArchaicTruth]

So long as sexual acts of any sort are clean(hygienically), not breaking certain "promises", are completely consensual, and of course with possible children in mind, you can party all you want

 

[quatona]

In light of these points, I was just wondering if someone would like to answer the following questions:

• Is it wrong for a couple of the same sex to kiss or caress one another in a sexual fashion?
• Are lesbians and bisexual women as morally compromised as gay and bisexual men? If so, why are they so rarely discussed when homosexuality is the matter at issue?
• Is sexual activity between women biblically condemned?
• Finally, as a matter of interest, is it wrong for two (or more) men, two (or more) women, or an unmarried man and woman, to touch in the same room (with one another's knowledge) without touching one another?

Whatever sexual practices adults engage in in mutual consent is none of my business and not subject to my judgement.

 

[Foolish_Fool]

I would just like to assure all the lesbians that I am thinking about them.

 

[RavenPoe]

ROFL

Sadly the homosexual debate is just another aspect of the world where it's all about the man, and the women are just forgotten.

Besides, if a woman is subservient to her husband, who could the lesbian couple be subservient to. Clearly it must be un-biblical.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

Gross descriptions, but I'll admit I'm quite the prude..

• Is it wrong for a couple of the same sex to kiss or caress one another in a sexual fashion? (Yes.)
• Are lesbians and bisexual women as morally compromised as gay and bisexual men? (Yeah.)If so, why are they so rarely discussed when homosexuality is the matter at issue? (I don't know, perhaps more men defend it than women, though I don't know why this matters, do you like attention?)
• Is sexual activity between women biblically condemned? (Yes. Right before men in Romans.)
• Finally, as a matter of interest, is it wrong for two (or more) men, two (or more) women, or an unmarried man and woman, to touch in the same room (with one another's knowledge) without touching one another? (I don't know..)

 

[Patashu]

Can I have some context on Romans 1:26?

 

[cantata]

• Are lesbians and bisexual women as morally compromised as gay and bisexual men? (Yeah.)If so, why are they so rarely discussed when homosexuality is the matter at issue? (I don't know, perhaps more men defend it than women, though I don't know why this matters, do you like attention?)

It matters because essentially when the debate is limited to gay men and what they do, the implication is that a lot of people's objection to homosexuality is based on the "yuck-factor" rather than on objective reasoning or even on the basis of faith or scripture.

Try as they might, most heterosexual people just don't find lesbianism as disgusting as gay male sex. In fact, a lot of them find it pretty hot. But as is the standard reaction of a right-wing Christian to anything they find a bit icky, the impression I get is that they have the feeling, "This is gross," translate that to "God must think this is wrong," and then go looking through the Bible to find justification to condemn it. Of course they realise for consistency that women shouldn't be having sex with each other either, but that's not really the bit that upsets them, so when it gets to the heated debate, when people's real feelings are exposed, it's always the gay men who bear the brunt of the righteous anger.

I respect your suggestion in another thread that you may be asexual, and I imagine therefore you may not be the best person to ask about this If all the things I've mentioned (hardly described) in this thread are a bit gross to you, I dare say your yuck-factor is at least more consistent than most.

 

[IzzyPop]

The issues of bondage and such, I don't believe they're wrong in themselves (sometimes I think it is strange) but I don't view it as being wrong whether the couple is straight or gay/lesiban. [/FONT]

Then you are not doing it right...

 

[Sitswithamouse]

I would just like to assure all the lesbians that I am thinking about them.

I think anyones sexual preference is ther own business.
I'm glad the lesbian side has been touched on because everytime homosexuality and same sex agenders are discussed it is usually focused on the male activity.
I have no problem with this issue whatsoever .

I think the reason women aren't discussed much is because from most posts I see it is men highlighting the issue.

 

[UIN]

hello there;

I roughly refuse the homosexual activeties, why? because it's not a right thing to do, whether you like it or not.
how do we know it's not right?
let's assume that wvery singal human on earth is a homosexual person, what will be the result, the human kind will disappear, so we can know wrong things by knowing what will happen by continuing them.

 

[IzzyPop]

hello there;

I roughly refuse the homosexual activeties, why? because it's not a right thing to do, whether you like it or not.
how do we know it's not right?
let's assume that wvery singal human on earth is a homosexual person, what will be the result, the human kind will disappear, so we can know wrong things by knowing what will happen by continuing them.

Wrong. Both of my biological parents are homosexual. Guess that would make me living proof that your theory is wrong...