The Flood

[Nathan Poe]

Ah --- the man from the peanut gallery is our famous author of said law that bears his name. No wonder your posts have no content, Nathan, you don't follow them with smileys.

"Content" is hardly necessary to debunk an absurd argument.

When you write something that's not ridiculous on its face, and actually requires "content" to disprove, either I or anyone else in the peanut gallery will use it.

Until then, I'll happily -- and effortlessly -- point out the flaws in your logic. I'll save "content" for when I need it.

 

[AV1611VET]

How do you know that this happened, instead of it just getting worse?

I don't understand your question.

How can you assume that the 10+th translation is better than what was written down by the man who heard God talk to him?

Again ... I don't understand your question. What 10+th translation?

 

[AV1611VET]

Typos? You're kidding right?

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For God so loued y world, that he gaue his only betotten Sonne: that whosoeuer beleeueth in him, should ot perish, but haue euerlasting life.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

 

[Vene]

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I speak of writings that were done before the KJV. Such as a Bible scribed before the fifteenth century (the invention of the printing press). Did these copies contain typos as well?

 

[AV1611VET]

I speak of writings that were done before the KJV. Such as a Bible scribed before the fifteenth century (the invention of the printing press). Did these copies contain typos as well?

I don't know about typos, but here's my favorite example.

One of the most, if not the most, controversial topics in the Bible is what is called the Johannine Comma.

If anything was a candidate for removal, it would be this passage.

Yet check this out:

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

For thre ben, that yyuen witnessing in heuene, the Fadir, the Sone, and the Hooli Goost; and these thre ben oon.

Divine preservation in action.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

The Vedas, as I pointed out to Frumious Bandersnatch, cannot be what they claim to be, as they would have had to come after the Flood, not before it.

You might have a point if there had ever been a global flood but there hasn't been so your claim is worthless.

 

[AV1611VET]

You might have a point if there had ever been a global flood but there hasn't been so your claim is worthless.

And thus we loop right back to Post 846 --- lol --- so with the loop complete, folks, I'll leave you all to go ahead and enjoy your merry-go-round.

/thread

p.s. 100 posts, and we're right back where we started. I thought only an atheist could do that!

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Servant, please don't take this question wrong, but how long have you been saved?

This stuff is very basic Theology, and you're coming across like you've never heard it before.

I'm afraid that if I got through all of this, you'll just handwave it away.

In any event, if you really want to know these things, I have a thread here that should help.

If not, let me know.

Does anyone else here find it amusing that AV keeps pointing people to a thread where got so badly pwned that he asked the mods to close the thread?

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

And thus we loop right back to Post 846 --- lol --- so with the loop complete, folks, I'll leave you all to go ahead and enjoy your merry-go-round.

/thread

p.s. 100 posts, and we're right back where we started. I thought only an atheist could do that!

If you didn't keep posting the same ridiculous things over and over this wouldn't occur.

 

[lemmings]

And thus we loop right back to Post 846 --- lol --- so with the loop complete, folks, I'll leave you all to go ahead and enjoy your merry-go-round.

/thread

p.s. 100 posts, and we're right back where we started. I thought only an atheist could do that!

When one side uses circular reasoning to prove their position; arguments of sufficient depth will always go full circle.

 

[corvus_corax]

/thread

You are quite right in that one comment (comment divorced from everything else you have said)

This thread is done, dead in the water, as is any other thread regarding the veracity of the Global Deluge.
Why?
(please read the following carefully, as it might be too complicated for some to grasp_
Because there is NO evidence (as in NO OBJECTIVE EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE) for a global deluge
Period. End of story.
Local large scale floods? Absolutely.
A global flood?
(pardon my cap).......
NOT AT ALL

You guys are wrong.

Period

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Apologies for the belated reply. I blame it on time zones.

Sure has been good to me!!

Haha, I like that answer.

Original sin. God originally gave us a free will and we blew it.

So why not snap his fingers and get everything how he wants it? He's not above interferance, what with the whole Jesus fiasco.

But for some reason, presumably unlike you, I have this unshakeable faith that:

1. the world is created, not an accident.

2. the Bible can be trusted to provide an accurate account of God's interaction with people, and how, despite that original sin, we can be reconciled with God and be with Him now and forevermore.

My trust in God and His word gives me great peace and has brought me many blessings and happiness in life.

Try it, you'll like it- it's only a simple prayer away.

Alas, I was Christian for 11 years; nothing happened either physically or mentally when I deconverted. But if that's your beliefs, fair enough.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

You do so love those indulgences don't you WC. You know the answers to these questions or you should, because they have been told to you by several of us.

On the contrary, I have several interesting debates with people claiming a belief in an omnipotent omnibenevolence, yet I have never seen a valid (i.e., non-contradictory) reconciliation of the problem of evil. Thus, I continue my search.

Now do you really want to know or are you trying to get S222 all riled up?

I just felt like asking him, s'all.

 

[Servant222]

On the contrary, I have several interesting debates with people claiming a belief in an omnipotent omnibenevolence, yet I have never seen a valid (i.e., non-contradictory) reconciliation of the problem of evil. Thus, I continue my search.



I just felt like asking him, s'all.

No worries- I'm not the type that gets riled up, especially about an honest question.

But I did give you an answer, did I not?

Evil is there in our psyche, just like everyone- atheist or believer- has a sense of right and wrong, which to me is powerful evidence of the presence of God.

I am convinced that within all males lurks a murderer and an adulterer. For most of the us, we can control these urges, or society provides inhibitions on their expression.

But when the constraints are removed- for example, when order in a society breaks down because of revolution, then those who have less control over these evil urges- that is, do not have the Holy Spirit to keep them from doing evil, come out of the closet and rape and kill.

Bosnia, Iraq, Rwanda, etc. etc. are all examples of where this happened. Often, it is initiated by one or a few despots like a Hitler or an Amin or a Saddam Hussein. Dictators like that always have the same common traits: they kill indiscriminately, and they have perverted and insatiable sexual drives.

So I believe that is why God allowed the flood to happen- He saw a group of people who had lost all sense of morality, and who rejected the guidance of the Holy Spirit to help them steer away from evil.

 

[dukeofhazzard]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vene
Typos? You're kidding right?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by John 3:16 --- KJV --- first edition
For God so loued y world, that he gaue his only betotten Sonne: that whosoeuer beleeueth in him, should ot perish, but haue euerlasting life.

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Those aren't typos! It's called YE OLDE ENGLISH.

 

[Servant222]

Hey, one of my favorite verses is the Verse of the Day over at Bible Gateway.

John 6:

35 Then Jesus declared, "I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty.

O.K. back to the topic........

 

[Contracelsus]

Those aren't typos! It's called YE OLDE ENGLISH.

You know, Ye Olde English is probably going to be the hardest thing for many pentecostals to deal with when they get to Heaven. It's hard to read and probably harder to understand, especially if you come from Coal Holler, W VA. But maybe not. There may be a linguistic connection between older forms of British english and American Appalachian dialects.

Still, I suspect the first couple millenia in heaven will be funny as the Fundamentalist Americans attempt to communicate with God (who clearly speaks 17th century British english).

God might get kind of lonely, though, because as far as I can tell heaven will only have American Fundamentalist Christians, and likely only those related to the Southern Baptist Convention or the Assemblies of God.

 

[LittleNipper]

No worries- I'm not the type that gets riled up, especially about an honest question.

But I did give you an answer, did I not?

Evil is there in our psyche, just like everyone- atheist or believer- has a sense of right and wrong, which to me is powerful evidence of the presence of God.

I am convinced that within all males lurks a murderer and an adulterer. For most of the us, we can control these urges, or society provides inhibitions on their expression.

But when the constraints are removed- for example, when order in a society breaks down because of revolution, then those who have less control over these evil urges- that is, do not have the Holy Spirit to keep them from doing evil, come out of the closet and rape and kill.

Bosnia, Iraq, Rwanda, etc. etc. are all examples of where this happened. Often, it is initiated by one or a few despots like a Hitler or an Amin or a Saddam Hussein. Dictators like that always have the same common traits: they kill indiscriminately, and they have perverted and insatiable sexual drives.

So I believe that is why God allowed the flood to happen- He saw a group of people who had lost all sense of morality, and who rejected the guidance of the Holy Spirit to help them steer away from evil.

I also believe Satan might have been trying to destroy the line of Seth through angelic/demonic possession/intermarriage. It might even be that prior to the FLOOD such interbreeding was possible. Evolutionists are simply out of the Biblical loop and really do not care to be included. Creationists will simply proceed to do their own investigations and may develope their own theories. At least wonder and investigation will not be dead.

 

[Servant222]

Why is it that those who use the old King James version of the Bible always include any remarks they make in modern English?

Modern versions of the Bible are translations that have the benefit of far more scholarly input than the King James ever had, so are bound to be a lot more precise. They benefit not only from better access to ancient manuscripts, but from modern efficient communication, where the collective wisdom of Christian scholars from all over the world can be tapped, and all of the massive archeological discoveries made since the King James was put together can be incorporated.

The issue here is communication and interpretation- shouldn't we always be trying to provide the best possible communication and the most complete interpretation we possibly can?


Check out Bible Gateway to see how modern Bible study in a multitude of languages and translations can be accomplished.

 

[AV1611VET]

Modern versions of the Bible are translations that have the benefit of far more scholarly input than the King James ever had, so are bound to be a lot more precise.

What is Satan's angelic name?