You can't go to heaven if you don't believe this!!!

[JWNEWMAN]

According to Joyce Myers Jesus death on the cross wasn't a sufficient sacrifice to pay for our sins. He also had to go to hell and suffer. There the demons in hell mocked him and got "up on him" (this she emphasizes) and mocked him saying Ah Ha Ha "you trusted in God..."
She says in a booklet "From Cross To The Throne" that, "if you don't believe this teaching there is no hope of you going to heaven."

Does anyone else believe this teaching?

Are the rest of us going to hell because we don't?

 

[Fireinfolding]

Interesting you should bring up Joyce Meyers, I heard of her on this board but I dont know what she teaches.

Ever notice an interesting parallel here?

Isa 14:9 HELL ***from BENEATH*** is ~moved FOR THEE~ to meet ~THEE~ at ~THY~ COMING~: it stirreth up ***THE DEAD*** ~FOR THEE~, ~EVEN~ all ~the chief ones~ ***OF THE EARTH***; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.


Joh 8:23 And HE said unto THEM, YE are ***from BENEATH***; ~I AM FROM ABOVE: YE are ***of this world***;~I AM~ not ~of this world~.


Pro 15:24 ~THE WAY~ OF LIFE ***~IS~ ABOVE*** to the wise, THAT HE MAY ***DEPART**** FROM HELL BENEATH ****

Ephes 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended FIRST ~into~ the lower parts of the earth?

Cant say, it would be heresay to here a rumor concerning what another persons says and speak evil of it without hearing it.

 

[Solidlyhere]

I saw Joyce Meyer once, in the Sacramento area.

I enjoyed her service.

But, nearly EVERY minister has his own opinion about what it takes to get into Heaven.
Some ministers claim that there are 1000 things I must do (or be denied entrance to Heaven).
Yawn.

 

[JWNEWMAN]

I saw Joyce Meyer once, in the Sacramento area.

I enjoyed her service.

But, nearly EVERY minister has his own opinion about what it takes to get into Heaven.
Some ministers claim that there are 1000 things I must do (or be denied entrance to Heaven).
Yawn.

Well, the only way I've ever heard from Christian teachers is trusting in the work of the Cross and Christ's resurrection.

 

[Fireinfolding]

I saw Joyce Meyer once, in the Sacramento area.

I enjoyed her service.

But, nearly EVERY minister has his own opinion about what it takes to get into Heaven.
Some ministers claim that there are 1000 things I must do (or be denied entrance to Heaven).
Yawn.

Ant that true And if ya ever walk out any of their doors you become as "THEM who are not OF US" type deal

**yawn** is right LOL

 

[JWNEWMAN]

Ant that true And if ya ever walk out any of their doors you become as "THEM who are not OF US" type deal

**yawn** is right LOL

I hear that from what are commonly called cults... which is what it sounds like Joyce is teaching a cult type teaching based upon extra biblical revelation rather on the principles set forth in the word.

 

[Fireinfolding]

1Cr 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

Read there of what was "first preached"

 

[Fireinfolding]

I hear that from what are commonly called cults... which is what it sounds like Joyce is teaching a cult type teaching based upon extra biblical revelation rather on the principles set forth in the word.

Well theres tha which is "called" lots of things, such as the circumcision which "called itself" something those who were in Christ were (we are the circumcision). Just as those who called themselves "Jews" (who is one inwardly) by the Spirit saying that which He states they lie as shown in revelation. What men call stuff is not that important to me really. But Im not into slandering anyone here. A false witness concerning what Christ said was only one who was slightly off (by way of interpretation concerning what he said. In that which they said they heard him say. Ever notice that? Thats interesting.

 

[JWNEWMAN]

Well theres tha which is "called" lots of things, such as the circumcision which "called itself" something those who were in Christ were (we are the circumcision). Just as those who called themselves "Jews" (who is one inwardly) by the Spirit saying that which He states they lie as shown in revelation. What men call stuff is not that important to me really. But Im not into slandering anyone here. A false witness concerning what Christ said was only one who was slightly off (by way of interpretation concerning what he said. In that which they said they heard him say. Ever notice that? Thats interesting.

Joyce teaches that, unless you believe this particular teaching you can't be saved. Moreover, the bible can't even explain this teaching you have to receive by revelation.

So only those who receive this revelation, that Jesus went to hell and suffered torments for three days, till God stood up and said, "Enough" you can't enter heaven.

That's pretty exclusive.

 

[Gukkor]

You should believe whatever it is you believe, no more and no less. To let someone else dictate to you what you think is right or wrong, especially when the only thing keeping you with that belief is the fear of punishment for deviation (i.e. going to Hell), is to throw away one's own mind.

 

[JWNEWMAN]

You should believe whatever it is you believe, no more and no less. To let someone else dictate to you what you think is right or wrong, especially when the only thing keeping you with that belief is the fear of punishment for deviation (i.e. going to Hell), is to throw away one's own mind.

I think the fear of God is good, it helps me when I stray. It's the same reason I don't speed on the highway, it keeps me in check. I wouldn't follow the rules if there were no penalties or I'd wrestle a lot more with them.

 

[Fireinfolding]

I hear that from what are commonly called cults... which is what it sounds like Joyce is teaching a cult type teaching based upon extra biblical revelation rather on the principles set forth in the word.

Joyce teaches that, unless you believe this particular teaching you can't be saved. Moreover, the bible can't even explain this teaching you have to receive by revelation.

So only those who receive this revelation, that Jesus went to hell and suffered torments for three days, till God stood up and said, "Enough" you can't enter heaven.

That's pretty exclusive.

I dont know what she might have meant with that.

 

[dayknee]

Joyce Meyers has it very wrong..

how you get to heaven..its simple.

By believing who Jesus said he is..By believing what Jesus did..Thats it..being Christians we should know this..

 

[JWNEWMAN]

Joyce Meyers has it very wrong..

how you get to heaven..its simple.

By believing who Jesus said he is..By believing what Jesus did..Thats it..being Christians we should know this..

AMEN

 

[jiminpa]

According to Joyce Myers Jesus death on the cross wasn't a sufficient sacrifice to pay for our sins. He also had to go to hell and suffer. There the demons in hell mocked him and got "up on him" (this she emphasizes) and mocked him saying Ah Ha Ha "you trusted in God..."
She says in a booklet "From Cross To The Throne" that, "if you don't believe this teaching there is no hope of you going to heaven."

Does anyone else believe this teaching?

Are the rest of us going to hell because we don't?

Link? Or is this yanked completely out of context? I've heard this "quote" from a well-known cut and paste artist, but I've never heard or read the full context.

 

[IamAdopted]

According to Joyce Myers Jesus death on the cross wasn't a sufficient sacrifice to pay for our sins. He also had to go to hell and suffer. There the demons in hell mocked him and got "up on him" (this she emphasizes) and mocked him saying Ah Ha Ha "you trusted in God..."
She says in a booklet "From Cross To The Throne" that, "if you don't believe this teaching there is no hope of you going to heaven."

Does anyone else believe this teaching?

Are the rest of us going to hell because we don't?

I think this falls under the scripture do not exceed what is written and vain imaginations.. :O

 

[JWNEWMAN]

Link? Or is this yanked completely out of context? I've heard this "quote" from a well-known cut and paste artist, but I've never heard or read the full context.

http://www.equip.org/site/c.muI1LaMN...BA24/DM472.htm

http://www.afcministry.com/Joyce_Meyers.htm

Above are the links, if they seem out of context please let me know and also explain.

Thanks,

 

[JWNEWMAN]

Regarding Christ having to suffer the torments of hell, here is what Meyers says:

“The Bible can’t even find any way to explain this. Not really. That’s why you’ve got to get it by revelation. There are no words to explain what I’m telling you. I’ve got to just trust God that He’s putting it into your spirit like He put it into mine.”

She's admitting what she's teaching is not in the bible. Why couldn't the bible explain it? That doesn't make sense. And if it is a prerequisite to going to heaven then what? Only those who received the 'revelation' can go? Apparently, according to Joyce.

 

[IamAdopted]

Well this revelation if it does not line up with scripture then we don't have to believe that what she says is true.. For it is the scripture where we are to line up any "revelation" We get.. Another story of being decieved if this is truly what she believes..

 

[JWNEWMAN]

Well this revelation if it does not line up with scripture then we don't have to believe that what she says is true.. For it is the scripture where we are to line up any "revelation" We get.. Another story of being decieved if this is truly what she believes..

According to what I've read of her booklet and heard her speak, in this regard, the teaching states Jesus blood was not sufficient, he had to also suffer being tormented by devils until God was appeased. The only way to understand this doctrine is by revelation, according to Joyce.

Here is another link: http://www.pfo.org/preacher.htm