You can't go to heaven if you don't believe this!!!

[JWNEWMAN]

Gotcha Its kool, ya definately dont want read it then, besides Joyce might be easier for you to tackle on one verse (not to mention one color)

I have issues with people or doctrines that come by way of revelation and don't have scriptural support, or add like twenty paragraphs of deductions as to why what they are spouting should be believed. In spite of that, sometimes, someone else will pop up with the same story only with a plausible or at least reasonable explanation why the believe the same thing using scripture. Sort of kicks me in the pants. Anyway I think it is dangerous to teach something by way of revelation unless it is a foretelling by God's Spirit. Everything has to be proved and, a prophesy will be proved true or false with time. But a revelation regarding a principle of belief to be adapted must have solid biblical foundations.

 

[JWNEWMAN]

Interesting, JW.
I guess the Bible hints that Jesus may have gone to hell, but to link that with salvation? Why, then, the "it is finished" quote in John? Why the ripped curtain in the temple in the other three gospels right at the point of Jesus' death?

Sorry, I missed this one. Well, the NT clearly says it is his blood that washes away our sins and forgiveness of sins requires blood...

I'm not saying I agree with this fella. I'm too exhausted to try and get my brain around the subject right now. Just thought in light of my previous statements it was interesting I'd come up with a reasonable explanation I didn't even know existed.... a kick in the pants it was.

 

[Maranatha27]

I don't think the Bible ever says anything about Jesus going to hell. Ephesians 4:9 says "(What does 'he ascended' mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions?)" Not necessarily that He went to the lower parts of the earth meaning "hell."

I think Jesus' sacrifice on the cross is suitable for our salvation for two gospel reasons:
1) Jesus, Himself, said on the cross in John 19:30 "It is finished," a Greek word (teleo) meaning: the debt is paid.
2) The other 3 gospels agree with this in their own way by explaining that at the moment of Jesus' death on the cross, the curtain of the temple (separating the Holy Place from the Most Holy Place) was torn in half, symbolizing our ability to approach the throne of grace (Matt. 27:51; Mark 15:38; Luke 23:45).

So, poor Joyce Meyer is off in her doctrine of salvation, if she still believes this.

Im not sure if im reading you right, but it is a scriptural fact that Christ went into hades. Dont have my bible, but Christ himself said As Johna was 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of the fish, so shall the son of man be 3 days and three nights in the belly of the earth. Johna was a prophetic picture. Psalm 16 mentions this, then psalm 16 is confirmed by peta in the book of acts. lol thought id jump in. its biblical....but i dont now what Joyce said, i use her as more of an life teacher rather than getting proper doctrine from. I do enjoy her though

 

[Uphill Battle]

Im not sure if im reading you right, but it is a scriptural fact that Christ went into hades. Dont have my bible, but Christ himself said As Johna was 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of the fish, so shall the son of man be 3 days and three nights in the belly of the earth. Johna was a prophetic picture. Psalm 16 mentions this, then psalm 16 is confirmed by peta in the book of acts. lol thought id jump in. its biblical....but i dont now what Joyce said, i use her as more of an life teacher rather than getting proper doctrine from. I do enjoy her though

where'd you get the idea that "belly of the earth" means hell? He was in a tomb.

 

[Armistead]

Jesus went to the grave, not to the lake of fire. As of now, Satan is not in hell. Jesus went to the grave and defeated death. He did not go into "hell". Satan has yet to be defeated.

 

[Maranatha27]

where'd you get the idea that "belly of the earth" means hell? He was in a tomb.

Hi, i respect your opinion, Now the scriptures used to justify this interpetation: The Rich man and Lazarus, The rich man died and went to hades, Lazarus died and went to hades, The rich man was in torment and saw lazarus in Abarhams bossom, the rich man asked abraham if he would have lazarus dip his finger in water and touch the tip of his tongue. Abraham said nay, but there is a great gulf fixed so that Paradise and the Side of Torment was separated. Hades had two sides. When Christ was on the cross and the thief said remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. Christ said this Day thou will be with me in paradise. You have to look at psalm 16 in conection w/ Act 2. This is biblical.