Abortion

[Vigilante]

OT:

Tragic Paradox - that is one of the coolest avatars I've seen on this forum.

 

[GodsAmbassador2Nicolette]

hypocrite, how can you say you are against something, but you yourself would do it?

 

[Trashionista]

hypocrite, how can you say you are against something, but you yourself would do it?

Name-calling. Nice.

Its totally plausible. I don't see how its hypocritical. Lots of people are vegetarians, and can be vegetarians without believing that viewpoint should be forced into lawbooks or onto society.

And since I am Pro-Choice, though I would personally not choose abortion for myself, I guess on a whim, I responded to the hypocrite comment & took the bait. There.

 

[Vigilante]

hypocrite, how can you say you are against something, but you yourself would do it?

Gluttony is a sin, too! I think it should be outlawed. Personally, I'm Pro-Skinny and the rest of you are sinners. Seriously.

 

[StarCannon]

Perhaps "die Dame" knows shes not ready to deal with having a child.

 

[Calliso]

Perhaps "die Dame" knows shes not ready to deal with having a child.

Yep and one could look at it as the responsible thing to do. Yeah you could argue she made a mistake having sex in the first place *but even that is a grey issue especially if she was married I mean you can;t expect married couples not to have sex* But even if she had sex out of marriage is it really fair to bring a baby into a world where the mom and dad can;t or do not want to care for it? The idea of forcing the mother to bring her baby into the world to punish her for daring to have sex is appaling not to mention unfair to the child. There are already too many people having unwanted kids now...lets not force people to have more.

 

[Luther073082]

Yep and one could look at it as the responsible thing to do. Yeah you could argue she made a mistake having sex in the first place *but even that is a grey issue especially if she was married I mean you can;t expect married couples not to have sex* But even if she had sex out of marriage is it really fair to bring a baby into a world where the mom and dad can;t or do not want to care for it? The idea of forcing the mother to bring her baby into the world to punish her for daring to have sex is appaling not to mention unfair to the child. There are already too many people having unwanted kids now...lets not force people to have more.

1. Its not punishment is consequences. There is a difference.

2. I think its more fair to bring a baby into an impovershed household then kill it. Besides adoption is always an option and a very good one.

 

[GodsoldierClintus]

*steps in... walks slowly backwards, turns and runs*

 

[andross77]

1 Corinthians 13

 

[ciaradawn]

seems like we are running around in circles.....? I'm amazed at how single-minded some people are.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

*steps in... walks slowly backwards, turns and runs*

*scorpion hook* No escape!

seems like we are running around in circles.....? I'm amazed at how single-minded some people are.

I know, people think killing is wrong in all circumstances when it comes to the innocent.

 

[GodsoldierClintus]

*goes down kicking and screaming...as he is dragged back into the thread*

 

[GodsoldierClintus]

I've read some of these comments not all, but I don't understand how some people have black and white view on all this. None of these is black and white.

To illustrate - if you had the chance to kill Hitler, would you have done it? The opportunity to save million of lives, but you have to kill one. Indeed some Christians did take this stance. They fully believing in what they did tried to kill Hitler, and died for it. But is it ever right to kill? In fact, if no one stood up and fought Hitler - what would have happened? (That is if people refused to fight) I thank God that I do not have to be put in that kind of ethical dilemna. Is it right for Christians to blow up abortion centers so lives can be saved?

And so some of you would say that life should always be protected, whilst others are saying, no everyone should be able to choose. I would say that even God allows us to choose, but he will judge us to give an account of our actions. It is the choice actually that he gives whether we choose murder or not.

I do believe that abortion is wrong, and I guess making it illegal would be a good thing - because in the end people can still do whatever they want. At least we are making it less available by making it illegal.

I would try at all costs if someone were considering abortion to save the life of the unborn child but I would still pray for them and their forgiveness if they choose otherwise. God does not call me to judge so I won't. I don't understand how some Christians can be some morally high ground on this issue, but are less high ground when there are also 50 000 people dying each day due to poverty? Is it (and yes this is a judgmental statement, so forgive me) because it's easier to appear better when you're a male and all you have to do is to condemn others in reference to abortion, whilst in reference to poverty, you can actually do something about that, and you choose not to?

All males CANNOT relate to how a woman feels in reference to abortion - so to say anything about having more self control or whatever in that situation is complete and utter rubbish. Please don't pretend you can understand something that you can't.

It is a tragedy that lives are lost because of stupid decisions made - but it's not like we don't make stupid decisions everything day which ultimately led to Christ's death. God will judge, God will decide - there is no need to play moral high ground on this issue. Put simply - ending any life is wrong, because that is what God says so. Ultimately you will be held accountable for your actions, but I don't see why we need to judge anyone on their choice or to call anyone a murderer.

Because I murdered the only innocent man on this world and His name is Jesus. And so did all of you.

 

[Weasel7711]

To illustrate - if you had the chance to kill Hitler, would you have done it? The opportunity to save million of lives, but you have to kill one. Indeed some Christians did take this stance. They fully believing in what they did tried to kill Hitler, and died for it. But is it ever right to kill? In fact, if no one stood up and fought Hitler - what would have happened? (That is if people refused to fight) I thank God that I do not have to be put in that kind of ethical dilemna. Is it right for Christians to blow up abortion centers so lives can be saved?

Kill Hitler? Definitely. Why is this OK? He killed over 9 million jews, and millions more with the war. Show me an unborn child that killed anyone? Is it right to blow up abortion centers? No, because that would kill off the unborn children too.

And so some of you would say that life should always be protected, whilst others are saying, no everyone should be able to choose. I would say that even God allows us to choose, but he will judge us to give an account of our actions. It is the choice actually that he gives whether we choose murder or not.

That is true that we have the freedom to sin, but making something illegal means there are legal consequences, it doesn't necessarily make it an immoral or moral action based on its legality by the state. If feeding the homeless were a crime, I'd still do it (and it is in some places) because Christ calls us to care for the poor. But even so if its legal and people choose abortion, yes they are definitely accountable to God for their actions, and so are the boyfriends who entice them to get abortions. In the end it all comes down to choice for over 90% of abortions, these people CHOOSE to have sex and thus reap what they sow.

I do believe that abortion is wrong, and I guess making it illegal would be a good thing - because in the end people can still do whatever they want. At least we are making it less available by making it illegal.

Agreed

I would try at all costs if someone were considering abortion to save the life of the unborn child but I would still pray for them and their forgiveness if they choose otherwise. God does not call me to judge so I won't. I don't understand how some Christians can be some morally high ground on this issue, but are less high ground when there are also 50 000 people dying each day due to poverty? Is it (and yes this is a judgmental statement, so forgive me) because it's easier to appear better when you're a male and all you have to do is to condemn others in reference to abortion, whilst in reference to poverty, you can actually do something about that, and you choose not to?

My thoughts exactly, it sometimes makes me sick when we have the anti-abortion "prayer memorials" on campus, yet i've never heard of a prayer memorial for the people that have died because Christians sat back and did nothing.

All males CANNOT relate to how a woman feels in reference to abortion - so to say anything about having more self control or whatever in that situation is complete and utter rubbish. Please don't pretend you can understand something that you can't.

I believe you can have self-control in sex. Men and women are no less uncontrollable when it comes to sexual urges. Therein lies the choice. That being said, no I can understand why a woman would choose an abortion, out of desperation, but I see better ways out, and it is still wrong regardless.

It is a tragedy that lives are lost because of stupid decisions made - but it's not like we don't make stupid decisions everything day which ultimately led to Christ's death. God will judge, God will decide - there is no need to play moral high ground on this issue. Put simply - ending any life is wrong, because that is what God says so. Ultimately you will be held accountable for your actions, but I don't see why we need to judge anyone on their choice or to call anyone a murderer.

There is nothing wrong with calling out sin, there is however an issue with hypocrisy, which I believe is what Christ was talking about when he said do not judge or you will be judged. If one sees a brother/sister about to make a horrible moral choice, it is our job to call them out on it, in love.

Because I murdered the only innocent man on this world and His name is Jesus. And so did all of you.

Amen

 

[Chocolatesa]

abortion is complex in the sense that the act is almost always varied when it comes to the reasons. The motives of WHY we have an abortion I think define wether it's right or wrong.

Lets say you go out and have a one night stand, your partner [or you] ends up pregnent the next month:

scene 1: you fluff up your shoulders, get an abortion and move onto to your next sex partner [this is WRONG]

scene 2: you are in deep guilt and regret! you feel horrable that you are bringing another life into the world who you can not support because of your selfish acts. You would take care of the child but you have no money, you would put the child up for adoption.... but how long would it take for the child to get adopted? How horrable and abondaned will she/he feel without any real parents who love them? So you decide on the 3rd act. get an abortion. This will prevent the baby from suffering a life of poverity and abandonment because of something you did wrong. So you abort the baby and take a vow to never carelessly have sex again. [I beleive this is right]

I fear I went off on a tangent though. I think your freind is being hypocritically highly. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander. Well unless they think that theyare above and beyond their own convictions of what other people should do.

I disagree. I think abortion is wrong whatever the reasons behind the choice. Imo, if I was raped I would still keep the baby, besides low income and being a single mother. Imo even adoption is better than abortion.

 

[die2live]

I've read some of these comments not all, but I don't understand how some people have black and white view on all this. None of these is black and white.

To illustrate - if you had the chance to kill Hitler, would you have done it? The opportunity to save million of lives, but you have to kill one. Indeed some Christians did take this stance. They fully believing in what they did tried to kill Hitler, and died for it. But is it ever right to kill? In fact, if no one stood up and fought Hitler - what would have happened? (That is if people refused to fight) I thank God that I do not have to be put in that kind of ethical dilemna. Is it right for Christians to blow up abortion centers so lives can be saved?

And so some of you would say that life should always be protected, whilst others are saying, no everyone should be able to choose. I would say that even God allows us to choose, but he will judge us to give an account of our actions. It is the choice actually that he gives whether we choose murder or not.

I do believe that abortion is wrong, and I guess making it illegal would be a good thing - because in the end people can still do whatever they want. At least we are making it less available by making it illegal.

I would try at all costs if someone were considering abortion to save the life of the unborn child but I would still pray for them and their forgiveness if they choose otherwise. God does not call me to judge so I won't. I don't understand how some Christians can be some morally high ground on this issue, but are less high ground when there are also 50 000 people dying each day due to poverty? Is it (and yes this is a judgmental statement, so forgive me) because it's easier to appear better when you're a male and all you have to do is to condemn others in reference to abortion, whilst in reference to poverty, you can actually do something about that, and you choose not to?

All males CANNOT relate to how a woman feels in reference to abortion - so to say anything about having more self control or whatever in that situation is complete and utter rubbish. Please don't pretend you can understand something that you can't.

It is a tragedy that lives are lost because of stupid decisions made - but it's not like we don't make stupid decisions everything day which ultimately led to Christ's death. God will judge, God will decide - there is no need to play moral high ground on this issue. Put simply - ending any life is wrong, because that is what God says so. Ultimately you will be held accountable for your actions, but I don't see why we need to judge anyone on their choice or to call anyone a murderer.

Because I murdered the only innocent man on this world and His name is Jesus. And so did all of you.

So what exactly are you trying to say? That abortion is wrong but we shouldn't do anything about it because we all sin?

This isn't about judging or calling people out on their sins. It's about protecting those who can't protect themselves, helping the helpless, letting scared young women know that their only option is NOT to kill their child and bring emotional devastation upon themselves. It has nothing to do with a moral high ground.

You're absolutely right about our lack of compassion for the poor, though. Honestly, that sickens me, how we ignore the blatant poverty all around us. Nevertheless, that is a separate subject; it is unrelated to abortion.

 

[Calliso]

 

[Judy02]

hehe I knew it. The OP asks a question about something her friend said, and the whole issue turns into a debate amongst everyone else.

 

[die2live]

hehe I knew it. The OP asks a question about something her friend said, and the whole issue turns into a debate amongst everyone else.

That is pretty much how it always happens.

 

[ciaradawn]

hehe I knew it. The OP asks a question about something her friend said, and the whole issue turns into a debate amongst everyone else.

It never fails!!!

God allows us to choose

I think that says it all!!!

All males CANNOT relate to how a woman feels in reference to abortion - so to say anything about having more self control or whatever in that situation is complete and utter rubbish. Please don't pretend you can understand something that you can't.

Thankyou for saying that. Women have not always had their rights in this country, and like it or not it's a WOMAN'S right to choose. (this statement is not related to the father having the right to have a choice; that's another topic). As a woman I don't want one of my rights to be taken away; whether it's wrong or not and whether or not I would take advantage of it, I don't want to lose my right to choose. Men cannot fully understand regardless of how much they might want to or try to. It's not a man's right that's being taken; it's a woman's.