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Either that, or it has already been provided here.

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A kind is a plant or animal at the top of God's taxon that contains all the genetic blueprints necessary to replenish the earth as God intended.

Something YOU cannot know anything about unless you are God. If you CAN know something about it, then please fully define and describe "God's Taxon".

Otherwise we have to assume you are just passing it off to another unknown term to hide your own ignorance of what a "Kind" is.

Also, incumbent in your definition is "as God intended", something else you are incapable of knowing unless you can fully define and describe.

In early Genesis, the kinds are not easily identified,

And that's why YOU can't know about them either.

as they probably only lived for one or two generations - (but their lifespans were very long).

You just made that up, didn't you?

Where did you get this?

They would have been of the more docile, domestic kind, and certainly would not have included carnivores in their incipient stages.

Chapter and verse, please?

These may have included such creatures as the winged horse, but that's just a guess.

EVERYTHING in your post is "just a guess".

These kinds would have included the animals that are not currently mentioned in man's taxons; such as behemoth, leviathan, fowled bats, four-legged grasshoppers, satyrs, unicorns, et. al.

You can certainly hope that that is the case.

Why do you find it so satisfying to come up with these bizarre goofball hypotheses rather than simply accepting that maybe scientists know something?

Why must reality conform to YOUR Biblical interpretation?

Is your interpretation God?

You paint your god into such a tiny little box.
 
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Something YOU cannot know anything about unless you are God. If you CAN know something about it, then please fully define and describe "God's Taxon".

q.v. POST 3

Like I said, we don't have the whole listing, but we do have some of the entries on it mentioned in the Bible.

If there was life on Mars, wouldn't Mars have its own taxon?

Don't even cartoons have their own taxon?
 
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q.v. POST 3

Like I said, we don't have the whole listing, but we do have some of the entries on it mentioned in the Bible.

But you see, AV, this means that your are unable to tell us about these supposed Taxons of God.

Does this make sense? You cannot simultaneously claim to tell us anything of value about things you also claim to not know.

What if I were to tell you the Bible is wrong because of "The Glorzingus Scroll" which has never been seen by human eyes, but I heard about somewhere and I am able to make up some ideas about what is likely on it?

Would you then believe me? Would I be able to convince you? I mean, I'm talkin' about the GLORZINGUS SCROLL here! And it proves the Bible is wrong!

Wow! I mean, you have to be impressed.

See, that is exactly the kind of argument you are making here. You want to claim special knowledge of taxa that no one knows about and you are further busy "ginning up" entries into that taxa based on a few fragmentary snippets into which you read volumes more than is actually present.
 
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Does this make sense? You cannot simultaneously claim to tell us anything of value about things you also claim to not know.

Can you, Thaumaturgy, tell me everything in man's taxon? Or can you just give me some of the entries?

And again, I think this an excellent point:
  • Mars, if populated, would have its taxa.
  • Earth has its taxa.
  • Cartoons have their taxa.
  • etc.
 
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Can you, Thaumaturgy, tell me everything in man's taxon? Or can you just give me some of the entries?

And again, I think this an excellent point:
  • Mars, if populated, would have its taxa.
  • Earth has its taxa.
  • Cartoons have their taxa.
  • etc.

Cartoons?

I guess that proves it... this is a Poe.
 
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And again, I think this an excellent point:
  • Mars, if populated, would have its taxa.
  • Earth has its taxa.
  • Cartoons have their taxa.
  • etc.

Yes, just like Mars we know nothing about it. If we were to find Mars inhabitted it would get studied and actual facts would be gathered.

Cartoons? I suspect your arguments in this area rely more on "cartoon science" than real science.

Taxonomy is classification system based on physical and genetic commonalities and descent. If you could provide more about "God's Taxa" than your wishful hope that reality wouldn't so jarringly disagree with literal Genesis, then please offer it.

Also, if you have any good cartoon science, please provide it.

Maybe this?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Oyz7e8iQ6Uo
 
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Cartoons?

I guess that proves it... this is a Poe.

I have a feeling the person I'm debating is playing dumb.

If I have to use cartoons to make my point --- so be it.
 
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Can you, Thaumaturgy, tell me everything in man's taxon? Or can you just give me some of the entries?

And again, I think this an excellent point:
  • Mars, if populated, would have its taxa.
  • Earth has its taxa.
  • Cartoons have their taxa.
  • etc.
Dearest AV.

Pray tell me what's your definition of taxon. Because you don't seem to understand the word.
 
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Cartoon taxon:

Canine indestrucabilis (Dogs that get flattened but do not die)

Yes, I remember Dr. Acme's work on the Genus Canine, if I recall it also included

Canine siniticus
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And of course Canine frighticus
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The latter being capable of crude "language" skills but showing a distinct lack of ability to differentiate consonants at the beginning of word from the "r" phoneme.

This strange trait also shows up in Canine astralicus

photo_ASTRO5.JPEG
 
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Like I said, we don't have the whole listing, but we do have some of the entries on it mentioned in the Bible.

Actually, you don't even have that. Genesis mentions that God created whales, for example. However, it doesn't say how many types of whales, does it? He could have created 3 types of "whales," 12 types of "whales" or just one type of "whale." All because you people twisted "after its kind," into some kind of taxon the writers never intended, doesn't mean He created only one type of whale.
 
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Actually, you don't even have that. Genesis mentions that God created whales, for example. However, it doesn't say how many types of whales, does it? He could have created 3 types of "whales," 12 types of "whales" or just one type of "whale." All because you people twisted "after its kind," into some kind of taxon the writers never intended, doesn't mean He created only one type of whale.

Then from whose taxon did these animals come from?
  • behemoth
  • leviathan
  • satyr
  • four-legged grasshopper
  • fowled bat
  • hares that chew their cud
  • unicorn
If these entries are not found in our current taxon, where are they found?
 
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Then from whose taxon did these animals come from?
  • behemoth
  • leviathan
  • satyr
  • four-legged grasshopper
  • fowled bat
  • hares that chew their cud
  • unicorn
If these entries are not found in our current taxon, where are they found?
In my head, for example. I can easily imagine any of them, and people who didn't have cameras and TV documentaries could also easily imagine weird things based on travellers' tales or someone's drunken visions or anything, really.

("hares that chew their cud"? Why does that make me think of hyraxes? Hyraxes don't do that, do they?)
 
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In my head, for example. I can easily imagine any of them, and people who didn't have cameras and TV documentaries could also easily imagine weird things based on travellers' tales or someone's drunken visions or anything, really.

("hares that chew their cud"? Why does that make me think of hyraxes? Hyraxes don't do that, do they?)

Sorry --- this isn't an acceptable answer in light of showing God's taxon.

This was preserved, in writing, by a nation that is proud of their heritage, and used some on this list as a dietary taboo.

So I have to ask again, if it didn't come from man, where did it come from?
 
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Then from whose taxon did these animals come from?
You're going to have to come up with your own word. "Taxon" is taken, and means something completely different than what you're describing. Further, there is no formal system involved in your usage of the word.
 
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