The Flood

[AV1611VET]

I'm suggesting no such thing. What I'm *suggesting* is that maybe the literality of the Bible is open to interperetation.

Fine --- here's the passage again ---

[bible]Joshua 10:12-13[/bible]

Interpret this passage as a mature student of the Bible, using what is called the language of the observer.

 

[dukeofhazzard]

Fine --- here's the passage again ---

[bible]Joshua 10:12-13[/bible]

Interpret this passage as a mature student of the Bible, using what is called the language of the observer.

You're making my point for me! Do you see? As it applies to the flood, if we use the language of the observer, the flood *did* cover the entire world. The entire KNOWN world at the time.

 

[AV1611VET]

You're making my point for me! Do you see? As it applies to the flood, if we use the language of the observer, the flood *did* cover the entire world. The entire KNOWN world at the time.

And the observer was on an Ark for over a year for what purpose?

 

[Vene]

Have you ever heard of embellishing a story? You know what, just talk to some fishermen (preferably those who do it as a hobby) or some hunters. Ask them what they got, ask them again in a few days. Amazingly the fish becomes bigger and the deer has a bigger rack.

 

[Split Rock]

And the observer was on an Ark for over a year for what purpose?

I can think of one obvious reason: The ark had no means of propulsion... how was it supposed to move if the waters were calm? In any case, where was Noah supposed to go to? He knew of nothing other than his own "world."

 

[dukeofhazzard]

I can think of one obvious reason: The ark had no means of propulsion... how was it supposed to move if the waters were calm? In any case, where was Noah supposed to go to? He knew of nothing other than his own "world."

Thank you, Split Rock. That's a good theory.

Another might be that the times were an approximation (I'm sure, AV, that you're aware of the fact that in ancient hebrew, the term "40 days and 40 nights" is an idiom for "a long time"). Maybe it felt like a year? If I were on a boat with a lot of animals, well....

 

[AV1611VET]

Have you ever heard of embellishing a story? You know what, just talk to some fishermen (preferably those who do it as a hobby) or some hunters. Ask them what they got, ask them again in a few days. Amazingly the fish becomes bigger and the deer has a bigger rack.

Ya --- if I remember my old college days correctly --- that's called either Retrograde Falsification or Retroactive Falsification - (I think the latter).

One of the two.

Conversely, we call it verbal plenary inspiration ---

 

[AV1611VET]

He knew of nothing other than his own "world."

Not so --- in my opinion he went from [the area that is now] North America to Ararat.


Mesopotamia was "foreign land" to him.

 

[dukeofhazzard]

Mesopotamia was "foreign land" to him.

Is this your opinion also, or do you have chapter and verse?

 

[Split Rock]

Not so --- in my opinion he went from [the area that is now] North America to Ararat.


Mesopotamia was "foreign land" to him.

I'm glad to see a "Bible Literalist" like yourself continue to embellish and add to the Word Of God whatever you want.

 

[thaumaturgy]

Not so --- in my opinion he went from [the area that is now] North America to Ararat.
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WHY do you think Noah started out in North America? (I know you stated it was just your opinion, but it seems somewhat random.)

 

[NailsII]

Ya --- if I remember my old college days correctly --- that's called either Retrograde Falsification or Retroactive Falsification - (I think the latter).

One of the two.

Conversely, we call it verbal plenary inspiration ---

Or perhaps it was just made up in the first place, which seems much more likely given the shocking lack of evidence.

 

[thaumaturgy]

I'm glad to see a "Bible Literalist" like yourself continue to embellish and add to the Word Of God whatever you want.

Now Split, I'm sure AV will have a perfectly reasonable explanation.

After all he did point out this was only his opinion.

I suspect it is because Americans are really good engineers. And we have that "Git-up-n-go" attitude that will allow us to build a giant boat just large enough to hold all animal genera or species by ourselves.

Of course, being good Americans, we will overcharge God and there will be significant scheduling over-runs, but if God wants the job done right with only a few post-production problems, he'll hold off on the rains.

What? Noah forgot to put a propulsion system on board? Well, you will note that God never put that in the spec. So who's to blame?

 

[AV1611VET]

Is this your opinion also, or do you have chapter and verse?

[bible]Genesis 6:14[/bible]

The Pitch Pine is found mainly in the northeastern United States, from Maine and Ohio to Kentucky and northern Georgia. A few stands occur in southern Quebec and Ontario. This pine occupies a variety of habitats from dry, acidic sandy uplands to swampy lowlands, and can survive in very poor conditions; it is the primary tree of the New Jersey Pine Barrens.

These two references, in my opinion, give credence to my idea that Noah lived in the United States.

 

[dukeofhazzard]

Ok, that's stretching it just a bit. Isn't pitch simply a "glue"? Here's the definition I found:

Pitch (resin), a viscous liquid, derived from plants or petroleum products, often used for waterproofing and sealing boats, and flat or low-sloping roofs

What's your reason for believing it to be pitch *pine*? The Bible never says pine.

 

[AV1611VET]

I'm glad to see a "Bible Literalist" like yourself continue to embellish and add to the Word Of God whatever you want.

And it's always nice to be critiqued by someone who isn't an authority.

And just FYI, your assertion that I add to the Word of God "whatever I want" was a cheap shot.

 

[MorkandMindy]

[bible]Genesis 6:14[/bible]



These two references, in my opinion, give credence to my idea that Noah lived in the United States.

You know a boat builder in the United States?

 

[AV1611VET]

WHY do you think Noah started out in North America? (I know you stated it was just your opinion, but it seems somewhat random.)

q.v. Post 174

 

[AV1611VET]

Or perhaps it was just made up in the first place, which seems much more likely given the shocking lack of evidence.

Ya --- I'm real shocked.

 

[thaumaturgy]

[bible]Genesis 6:14[/bible]



These two references, in my opinion, give credence to my idea that Noah lived in the United States.

Note:

Pitch is not just from the Pitch Pine but is a general term including not only plant resins but more commonly petroleum bitumen.

Here's an interesting quote:

Natural bitumen
In its natural state, bitumen is found oozing out onto the surface of the earth (USA, Israel, Mexico, Venezuela). (Source: http://www.planete-energies.com/content/bitumen.html)

I highlighted the important part in case you missed it.

And since no one is apparently really sure what "Gopher wood" is, I don't see anything in your two quotes that would support a North American origin for Noah.