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I've seen the argument raised by a poster here that the flood has influenced our environment, I asked for evidence of it, but didn't get a response. Well here's a topic just for that, give any and all evidence that the flood happened. It can't be that hard considering that it happened worldwide and it must have been pretty dramatic too.

(Note: I'm in no way a geologist, I am a mere student of biochemistry at a university. I would welcome those who know more about this subject to post here)
 

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There isn't any evidence that a world wide flood happened. If it did we would see a sediment layer that would have covered everything world wide. Features like the Grand Canyon, Niagara Falls, Puget Sound, and fjords would not exist. The fossils we find would not be in evolutionary order, etc.

There is so much evidence against that science gave up on a world wide flood 200 years ago.
 
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Nipper, sorry to jump in and harsh your mellow on this one, but let's look at the forest which you have missed for the tree of the Coconino sandstone.

The Grand Canyon is a MILE DEEP in places. That means that a MILE DEEP of sedimentary rocks on top of igneous and metamorphic rocks had to have been laid down.

Now, let's look, rather than at the Coconino, but at the VISHNU formation at the bottom of the Grand Canyon.

This is a very hard and resistant rock made up of ignoeous and metamorphic rocks. Do you know how hard it is to weather away granite, which is represented in the Vishnu? Go to your local cemetary to the oldest granite tombstone and tell me how "weathered" it looks to you.

Let's go back up to the Coconino sandstone. Now remember the Coconino looks the way it does (blocky) because it is a resistant sandstone which means it is harder to weather than the rocks around it.

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Note how the Coconino stays blocky while the ones above and below weather more easily.

Here's a picture from the Coconino from a website:

This looks an awful lot like dune crossbedding to me. I could be wrong. Surely there may be some discussion of it.

The grains of the Coconino also appear to be frosted (Source). Why is this important? Well one of the hallmarks of aeolian deposits like sand dunes is FROSTING of the grains:
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Like these, they tend to look, well, frosted. From being hammered against other grains.

A polished texture is commonly observed on grains which have been transported by water, and correspondingly are typically rounded. Frosting is produced by collision with other sand grains and is commonly observed in aeolian sands.(SOURCE)

The sand grains that make up the Coconino are well rounded and very well sorted (ie they are about the same size) which are very much like the sand grains we find in dunes forming today.

Here's what modern sand dune cross-bedding looks like:
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Now certainly we can find some features of cross bedding in non-aeolian structures, but apparently most geologists seem to feel that these structures in the Coconino are more likely sand-dune deposits.

But even if it is the product of "Sand waves" under water. That's a LOT of sand. And it only took a year to deposit it complete with structures like cross-bedding, AND have it cemented and compacted as well as the rocks above it, AND THEN ERODED OPEN BY THE FLOOD? (Remember the Flood would have had to cut through a resistant sandstone which remained as a solid BLOCK rather than crumbling like the softer rocks above and below it.

Quite a few hoops to jump through when there's a much simpler answer.
 
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How could the Grand Canyon be part of the FLOOD if the FLOOD was local? Proof against a local flood.
I'm pretty sure that thaumaturgy proved that the Grand Canyon has absolutely nothing to do with a flood, global or otherwise. Why don't you address him instead?
 
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Only if you think that the Grand Canyon was formed by said flood.

Personally I think it is one of two things:
  • One of the spots where "the fountains of the great deep" broke up.
  • Caused when God pulled the American continent away from the European continent.
 
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Personally I think it is one of two things:
  • One of the spots where "the fountains of the great deep" broke up.
  • Caused when God pulled the American continent away from the European continent.
Are you sure that it wasn't created by Paul Bunyan's plow? That's just as likely.
 
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