Speaking in tongues.

[zeke37]

No, all do not understand. God was always speaking when Jesus spoke, but there were many who did not understand His parables. Only those that are of God hear His words:

None understood the parables till Christ told the disciples the meaning of them plainly and privately...without the crowd...

they heard the words legibly from Christ, it was not charismatic utterances that are unintelligible...

"Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

they heard the truth, they did not believe the truth....

He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God." John 8:46-47

takes them to heart and believes them, or not take them to heart and not believe them, but hear them they did....

.....

I tried to convey that all heard the words in a legible form...it was the Cloven Tongue of Fire of God, spoken by the HOLY SPIRIT, through men's vocal cords...but it was God speaking...the Holy Spirit....and all completely understood the words....some mocked and did not believe the words, but they heard and understood the message as if it was in their very own home dialect...only God can do that, and when God speaks all hear it legibly....

as I said, not all got it or followed it...but they all heard it...

in His service
c

 

[Lightcreated]

His return is 2011 May 21 2011 most likely to be the rapture of the true believers.
And 5 months later on october 21 is most likely to be the last day of this world and everything else in the universe.
It's not speculation this is not a joke, it's true as the air we are breathing and it will happen, i didn't want to tell the world this no more than Jonah want to go and warn Nineveh of god's declaration of his destruction that he was going to bring upon that city (IN 40 DAYS).
But like Jonah we don't want to go in to the streets yelling and warning proclaiming that God is going to destroy this world and everything in it except of cours the true believe.
It's our responsibility to warn the world of the Lords JUDGEMENT that is now upon this world and that DAY OF HIS RETURN IS VERY VERY NEAR AT HAND.
It's is most IMPORTAINTLY THE TRUE BELIEVERS RESPONSABILITY AND OBLIGATION TO WARN THE WORLD AND TO PROCLAIM THE GOOD NEWS OF SALVATION TO THE WORLD SO THE ONES THAT GOD HAS ELECTED TO SAVE MAY HEAR THE WORD AND THE LORD CAN BEGAN TO DO HIS WORK OF SALVATION IN THAT PERSON BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE BUT GOD DOES.
FAMILYRADIO is increasable.

 

[zeke37]

Satan arrives first, and then 5 months later (Rev9), the true Messiah's 2nd Coming happens....


Your rapture is actually Satan pretending to be Messiah....since there is no pre trib rapture....



I did not think that date setting was allowed....in fact I am sure of it....tsk, tsk....

 

[GuardianShua]

His return is 2011 May 21 2011 most likely to be the rapture of the true believers.
And 5 months later on october 21 is most likely to be the last day of this world and everything else in the universe.
It's not speculation this is not a joke, it's true as the air we are breathing and it will happen, i didn't want to tell the world this no more than Jonah want to go and warn Nineveh of god's declaration of his destruction that he was going to bring upon that city (IN 40 DAYS).
But like Jonah we don't want to go in to the streets yelling and warning proclaiming that God is going to destroy this world and everything in it except of cours the true believe.
It's our responsibility to warn the world of the Lords JUDGEMENT that is now upon this world and that DAY OF HIS RETURN IS VERY VERY NEAR AT HAND.
It's is most IMPORTAINTLY THE TRUE BELIEVERS RESPONSABILITY AND OBLIGATION TO WARN THE WORLD AND TO PROCLAIM THE GOOD NEWS OF SALVATION TO THE WORLD SO THE ONES THAT GOD HAS ELECTED TO SAVE MAY HEAR THE WORD AND THE LORD CAN BEGAN TO DO HIS WORK OF SALVATION IN THAT PERSON BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE BUT GOD DOES.
FAMILYRADIO is increasable.

It will not, however that day will come.

 

[GuardianShua]

Although each person was speaking in their own language, the others heared in their own language. For those who have ears to hear, the miracle was in the hearing of the word, not in the speaking.

 

[heavensprings]

Although each person was speaking in their own language, the others heared in their own language. For those who have ears to hear, the miracle was in the hearing of the word, not in the speaking.

Why not seek out a good middle position and say that the speaking and the hearing are both equally important. Can't have one without the other. Can't hear without a speaker, useless speaking unless there is a hearer.

 

[GuardianShua]

Why not seek out a good middle position and say that the speaking and the hearing are both equally important. Can't have one without the other. Can't hear without a speaker, useless speaking unless there is a hearer.

I have a lot to say, but everyone does not hear the same. Although some hear my words, others are listening. To some people I am a blasphemer, but to others Im speaking the truth. I wrote that article to emphasize that truth; That the miracle was in the hearing.

 

[Spiritofprophecy]

Greetings in the name of Jesus:

Another nice and Informative thread.

As all things which comes from God; its about the glorification of God and the edification of the Church.

But some tongues lovers seek acknowledgement from others in their vanity, and to be seen of men, and have great pride, which they seek to show.

Its another thought provoking thread, which is greatly needed in the fold of " blind leading the blind" sheep of today.

"It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but honor of kings is to search out a matter." pro25:2.

I pray my words do not offend,

God bless all Christians in forum, and all those who use it.
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[GuardianShua]

Greetings in the name of Jesus:

Another nice and Informative thread.

As all things which comes from God; its about the glorification of God and the edification of the Church.

But some tongues lovers seek acknowledgement from others in their vanity, and to be seen of men, and have great pride, which they seek to show.

Its another thought provoking thread, which is greatly needed in the fold of " blind leading the blind" sheep of today.

"It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but honor of kings is to search out a matter." pro25:2.

I pray my words do not offend,

God bless all Christians in forum, and all those who use it.
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Glory to God, is the edification in the Church.

 

[heavensprings]

I have a lot to say, but everyone does not hear the same. Although some hear my words, others are listening. To some people I am a blasphemer, but to others Im speaking the truth. I wrote that article to emphasize that truth; That the miracle was in the hearing.

Gotcha!

 

[AllTalkNoAction]

Although each person was speaking in their own language, the others heared in their own language. For those who have ears to hear, the miracle was in the hearing of the word, not in the speaking.

Complete error!

Each person was NOT speaking in their own language, the 120 Galilean disciples were speaking languages of far away lands they had probably never even been to - that's the miracle.

For people from those lands to recognise the language they speak to back home is no miracle.

 

[zeke37]

Mark 16:17 Jesus says that speaking in tongues is a sign of those who believe in Him.

Back then, the message of Salvation was almost strictly confined to the Israelites (possibly a few non Israelites who lived in the area)

if a foreign speaking person worships God, then that is a sign and proof of the Holy Spirit.... cause God has effectively broken the language barrier...and it is evident that a foreigner understands and proclaims the Lord....which he/she will bring back to their homes.....spreading the Gospel...the great Commission.

there is no such charismatic tongue in scripture....it is a complete misunderstanding of 1Cor14....which is almost impossible to see if you are involved in the charismatic tongue movement....

they are hooked with what they think is Holiness and the presence of God, but in reality, God says nothing that is confusing....nothing that cannot be understood....and if we were to test that spirit, it fails...it just is not from God...

when God speaks ALL understand....

1Cor14 is simply speaking of human bilingual/multilingual people who can spread the Gospel message to the other foreign speaking people....

with a translator, a Hebrew speaking person could teach a Chinese person...etc....

in His service
c

 

[zeke37]

This is true, but you have to believe the Bible for what it says. It say they were speaking other languages and this shows people were amazed as they were not speaking their native language. This was already shown.

Now is it always a language known to men? Well, no, and the Bible is also clear on that. It can be the language of man, God or angels, and when speaking in tongues for personal edification, no one knows what they're speaking about.

1 Corinthians 14:2 : For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.

Hello my fellow Canadian....

ever read the O' Canada....there are 2 verses....most Canadians do not know this....the second verse is an outright prayer to God...cool eh...


but I must say...what you wrote is an absolute misunderstanding of 1Cor14....totally incorrect...100%...

if you wish to discuss, let me know...


in His service
c

 

[zeke37]

There is nothing miraculous in bi-lingual people recognising one of the languages they speak.

What we have here is someone mentally & spiritually blinded.

the miraculous part is when the foreigners worship God....not just the Israelites...

the Gospel has bi-passed the language barrier because of these multilingual people, thus proving that the Holy Spirit is at work spreading the Gospel to all nations...

in His service
c

 

[zeke37]

Although each person was speaking in their own language, the others heared in their own language. For those who have ears to hear, the miracle was in the hearing of the word, not in the speaking.

Personally, I do not think that they were speaking in their own language, but the Cloven Tongue of Fire from God....which is a langage that bi-passes all others.....all understand this language (Acts2, Joel) but not all believe it....but they all understand 'cause it is God speaking...

remember that they were moving their mouth, but God's Holy Spirit was doing the speaking...

in His service
c

 

[zeke37]

Complete error!

Each person was NOT speaking in their own language, the 120 Galilean disciples were speaking languages of far away lands they had probably never even been to - that's the miracle.

For people from those lands to recognise the language they speak to back home is no miracle.

Hello (IMO) you are incorrect here...

they were not speaking dozens of languages...but rather only ONE language, that of God, which ALL understand no matter where you were born....they hear that language in their own native (even their own county's dialect)...yes county....area....distinctly different dialect from another 20, 50, 100 miles up the road....

completely understand the words, but some just did not believe....like today...

ie...(hypothetical) like you understanding this English post, but not agreeing....

in His service
c

 

[GuardianShua]

My study bible says that what is written after Mark 16:8 came at a later date. And that the oldest books of Mark don't go beyond verse #8. Paul spoke useing different languages, and that is a gift. If someone spoke in your own language, you would think that they knew your language; thus no miracle. But if different people, having different languages, heared the same thing, thus a miracle. The miracle was in the hearing. I can not make it any more plain then that, without being insulting.

 

[AllTalkNoAction]

the miraculous part is when the foreigners worship God....not just the Israelites...

what foreigners?

They were all israelites, in Jerusalem to celebrate the Israelite feast of Pentecost.

. . . and they did not worship God after they heard the speaking in tongues, rather they questioned what was going on.

After Peter preached to them (not in tongues) and they themselves received the Holy Spirit, then they began to worship God.

the Gospel has bi-passed the language barrier because of these multilingual people, thus proving that the Holy Spirit is at work spreading the Gospel to all nations...

The tongue speaking was NOT preaching the gospel, none of the hearers knew what salvation was or how to get it after overhearing the disciples speak in tongues.

Only after they stopped speaking in tongues did the crowd hear and understand "the gospel"

 

[AllTalkNoAction]

Hello (IMO) you are incorrect here...
they were not speaking dozens of languages...but rather only ONE language, that of God, which ALL understand no matter where you were born

What's this "one language of God" ?

The bible doesn't say that, it says they spoke the languages (plural) of men!

People today that have received the Spirit also speak in tongues differently to each other - different languages, just like at Pentecost.

 

[livingword26]

What's this "one language of God" ?

The bible doesn't say that, it says they spoke the languages (plural) of men!

People today that have received the Spirit also speak in tongues differently to each other - different languages, just like at Pentecost.

1Co 13:1
(1) Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I have become as sounding brass or a tinkling cymbal.