Biblical Salvation

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[cygnusx1]

Why does Cygnusx1 not disagree with me

But Gordon disagree with me...



quite interesting with the silent around here

PERSEVERANCE OF THE SAINTS isn't salvation by works bro !

 

[nobdysfool]

Go ahead and shut it down. All the post I make are going to be attack by them. They fully intend to have you trash and stop and shut down all post that I start or get involved in. I think you know that.

Nice van, . Is it new?

(or will this be reported, too?)

 

[A Brother In Christ]

PERSEVERANCE OF THE SAINTS isn't salvation by works bro !

how do you define it then.

God keep us even when we sin... heb 10:17

 

[cygnusx1]

how do you define it then.

God keep us even when we sin... heb 10:17

does God keep us even when we sin ?

yes of course He does , we are saved by Grace not by performance!


not only does God justify His people by giving them His Righteousness : imputed righteousness , butHe also does not impute our sin to us !

 

[A Brother In Christ]

PERSEVERANCE OF THE SAINTS isn't salvation by works bro !

WHAT IS THIS!

 

[cygnusx1]

WHAT IS THIS!

it is a scriptural docrine

 

[A Brother In Christ]

define it... what you think it is

 

[cygnusx1]

define it... what you think it is

all those elected to salvation must persevere in the faith through to the end , they will persevere because God is in them willing and working in them holiness and faith , these will persevere because God preserves them.



"He loved the people, all His saints are in Thy hand" (Deut. 33:3). One from the Historical books: "He will keep the feet of His saints" (1 Sam. 2:8). One from Job: "When he hath tried me I shall come forth as gold" (23:10). One from the Psalms: "The Lord will perfect that which concerneth me" (138:8). One from the Proverbs: "The root of the righteous shall not be moved" (12:3 contrast Matt. 13:2 1). One from the Prophets: "I will put My fear in their hearts that they shall not depart from Me" (Jer. 32:40). These are fair samples of the Divine promises throughout the O. T.
Observe the place given to this truth in the teaching of Christ. "Upon this Rock I will build My Church, and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it" (Matt. 16:18). "False Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders, to seduce, if possible, even the elect" (Mark 14:22)—it is not possible for Satan to fatally deceive any of the elect. "Whosoever cometh to Me and heareth My sayings, and doeth them, I will show you to whom he is like: he is like a man which built a house and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock; and when the flood arose, the storm beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it; for it was founded upon a rock" (Luke 6:47-48). "This is the Father’s will which hath sent Me, that of all which He hath given Me I should lose nothing" (John 6:39). The writings of the apostles are full of it. "For if when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of His Son; much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by His life" (Rom. 5:10). "Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which He hath promised to them that love Him" (James 2:5). "Kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation" (1 Pet. 1:5). "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for ~f they had been of us, they would have continued with us" (1 John 2:19). "Now unto Him that is able to keep you from falling" (Jude 24).
The tremendous importance of this doctrine is further evidenced by the fact that it involves the very integrity of the Scriptures. There is no mistaking their teaching on this subject: the passages quoted above make it unmistakably plain that every section of them affirms the security of the saints. He then who declares the saints are insecure so long as they remain in this evil world, who insists that they may be eternally lost, yea that some of them—like king Saul and Judas—have perished, repudiates the reliability of Holy Writ and signifies that the Divine promises are worthless. 0 my reader, weigh this well: the very veracity of the Lord God is concerned therein. He has promised to keep the feet of His saints, to deliver them from evil, to preserve them unto His heavenly kingdom, and "God is not a man that He should lie, neither the son of man that He should repent: hath He said, and shall He not do it? Or hath He spoken, and shall He not make it good? (Num. 23:19).

'A W PINK


http://www.pbministries.org/books/pink/Security/sec_02.htm

http://www.pbministries.org/books/pink/Security/sec_02.htm

 

[A Brother In Christ]

then why do we fail... if God can keep yoy from falling

 

[cygnusx1]

then why do we fail... if God can keep yoy from falling

yes often times we fail , but the Lord is interceeding for His people as the GREAT HIGH priest

 

[heymikey80]

then why do we fail... if God can keep you from falling

Huh ...? We fail because we're not perfect. God can keep you from falling because He is perfect.

But I guess there's an ulterior reason why you're asking ...?

God is under no obligation to perfect us right now. He's simply promised to perfect us, ultimately. But He corrects us gradually by His grace, in His time, through His Spirit, when He wants. We can't obligate God to perfecting us.

God picks. Not us.

 

[cygnusx1]

Huh ...? We fail because we're not perfect. God can keep you from falling because He is perfect.

But I guess there's an ulterior reason why you're asking ...?

God is under no obligation to perfect us right now. He's simply promised to perfect us, ultimately. But He corrects us gradually by His grace, in His time, through His Spirit, when He wants. We can't obligate God to perfecting us.

God picks. Not us.

absolutely bro !
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some see eternal security like magic , God cannot secure any who have fallen into sin , therefore God cannot secure any , baloaney!

Peter fell into sin , even the sin of denying before men Christ , a sin that is said to be very serious "he who denies me before men I will deny before my Father in heaven" , yet Peter was still secure , if the prayers of a "righteous man availeth much " what must Christs prayers avail !

 

[cygnusx1]

One of the outstanding glories of the Gospel is its promise of eternal security to all who truly believe it. The Gospel presents no third-rate Physician who is competent to treat only the milder cases, but One who heals "all manner of sickness" who is capable of curing the most desperate cases. It proclaims no feeble Redeemer, but One who is "mighty to save": though the world, the flesh and the Devil, combine against Him, He cannot be frustrated. He who triumphed over the grave cannot be thwarted by any feebleness or fickleness in His people. "He is able (which would not be true if their unwillingness could balk Him) to save unto the uttermost them that come unto God by Him" (Heb. 7:25). Those whom He pardons He preserves. Therefore each one who trusts in Him, though conscious of his own weakness and wickedness, may confidently exclaim "I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I have committed unto Him against that day."

 

[A Brother In Christ]

PERSEVERANCE OF THE SAINTS isn't salvation by works bro !

Huh ...? We fail because we're not perfect. God can keep you from falling because He is perfect.

But I guess there's an ulterior reason why you're asking ...?

God is under no obligation to perfect us right now. He's simply promised to perfect us, ultimately. But He corrects us gradually by His grace, in His time, through His Spirit, when He wants. We can't obligate God to perfecting us.

God picks. Not us.

yes often times we fail , but the Lord is interceeding for His people as the GREAT HIGH priest

so what is perseverance of the saint

we fail... not perseverance.... 1 john 1:8-10

God peserves us.... not saints ... sinners that are saved

 

[cygnusx1]

so what is perseverance of the saint

we fail... not perseverance.... 1 john 1:8-10

God peserves us.... not saints ... sinners that are saved

there is a difference between perseverance and preservation although ben mixing up these two words doesn't help .

Perseverance Of The Saints is Biblical , without Holiness no-one shall see the Lord , we are saved from sin , not saved in it. Only cheap gracers (OSAS) distort salvation unto Holiness.

Preserved ; we are preserved by God from destruction , He preserves within His saints the willingness to fight the good fight to confess sin and to seek grace to overcome sin.

 

[Oye11]

Perseverance Of The Saints is Biblical , without Holiness no-one shall see the Lord , we are saved from sin , not saved in it. Only cheap gracers (OSAS) distort salvation unto Holiness.

Both cheap gracers and perseverence of the saints advocates support OSAS. The latter just, unlike the former, comfirms that true born again saints will in fact persevere through the irresistible working of God, even if, as according to what Calvin taught, they have to be irresistibly brought back by God from their rebellion before death. For Calvinists to claim that they do not believe the concept that once you are saved you will always be saved is to be dishonest with the forum.

 

[cygnusx1]

Both cheap gracers and perseverence of the saints advocates support OSAS. The latter just, unlike the former, comfirms that true born again saints will in fact persevere through the irresistible working of God. For Calvinists to claim that they do not believe the concept that once you are saved you will always be saved is to be dishonest with the forum.

not really , the two doctrines may look similar but upon inspection have very little in common.

one may say that all Christians believe in salvation by God , but these boards display a simplistic generality doesn't really deal with the issue.

 

[heymikey80]

Both cheap gracers and perseverence of the saints advocates support OSAS. The latter just, unlike the former, comfirms that true born again saints will in fact persevere through the irresistible working of God. For Calvinists to claim that they do not believe the concept that once you are saved you will always be saved is to be dishonest with the forum.

I'm happy to assert, "Once you've really been saved, you're saved from then on." But then, at some point everyone believes that.

Everyone I know of believes that once you've passed through the Last Day to eternity, you have eternal life. No one I know of thinks you'll be condemned afterward.

They think "saved" means you get past that Final Judgment. Before that, to them you're not really saved.

For anyone in classic Christianity to claim they don't believe OSAS in this respect -- that is being dishonest with the forum.

But "OSAS" is a "branding", or a "smearing" if you really recognize what's going on there. That branding is almost invariably this: that someone who believes that if you once prayed a prayer or said a formula or had a faith experience, then you're saved and can now go about your business. As long as people brand that as "OSAS", then all you're really doing is jabbing the branding iron at other people who seem to have the same attributes from your point of view.

But if you get outside your point of view, things are different.

 

[Oye11]

not really , the two doctrines may look similar but upon inspection have very little in common.

one may say that all Christians believe in salvation by God , but these boards display a simplistic generality doesn't really deal with the issue.

Calvinists believe that once you are saved you will always be saved and so do you. It would be more genuine to address the verses presented to refute the notion rather than screaming "I don`t believe this!"