Do Christians Have Power Over Sin?

[dkbwarrior]

Even though I'm confident I'm about to get beat severely about the head and shoulders for it, I must say possible practically. I do not have an opinion on whether or not "many' have achieved it, nor for that matter on whether or not "any" have achieved it. Just that is has to be possible practically. (only speaking of born again Christians here)

I wont beat you for it....

I like straight answers, that don't avoid the tough questions.

But I do wish to ask, do you know of anyone personally, or in the Bible that has attained to this sinless state?

 

[Heartland]

I wont beat you for it....

I like straight answers, that don't avoid the tough questions.

But I do wish to ask, do you know of anyone personally, or in the Bible that has attained to this sinless state?

Enoch had to have been, at least by faith anyway. It's a stretch, but possibly the thief on the cross. I have met people for whom it could certainly be said, at least for the time in which I met them. Whether or not that was true practically afterwards is not something I can say. What I can say is that anyone who is walking in the spirit is sinless and would continue in that state as long as they continue to walk in the spirit.

 

[dkbwarrior]

Enoch had to have been, at least by faith anyway. It's a stretch, but possibly the thief on the cross. I have met people for whom it could certainly be said, at least for the time in which I met them. Whether or not that was true practically afterwards is not something I can say. What I can say is that anyone who is walking in the spirit is sinless and would continue in that state as long as they continue to walk in the spirit.

Very good answer.

I actually think that I may agree with you on this. I think that we believe the same way here, just smeantically it sounds different. In any case, I am going to change the OP again, to avoid this.

Peace...

 

[DevotiontoBible]

Very good answer.

I actually think that I may agree with you on this. I think that we believe the same way here, just smeantically it sounds different. In any case, I am going to change the OP again, to avoid this.

Peace...

You are suggesting a person can reach a state of absolute sinless perfection in this life. That cannot happen as long as we are in this mortal body. We will never love perfectly in this life and will always need to trust in the Atoning blood of Christ as long as we are in this life.

 

[dkbwarrior]

...because we are not 100% submitted to God. There are still areas in our lives where we sit on the throne, not God.

I fully believe this is why we are not sinless.

Playing the devils advocate here:

So you are saying that my great gandpappy who was a missionary to Zimbabwe Africa for 54 years, and died at the hands of the Ugabe tribe for telling them about Jesus, wasn't 100% submitted to God?

 

[Deba]

John 8:11 She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said, "I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on sin no more."

It must be possible or Jesus wouldn't have told her to do it.

 

[Heartland]

Very good answer.

I actually think that I may agree with you on this. I think that we believe the same way here, just smeantically it sounds different. In any case, I am going to change the OP again, to avoid this.

Peace...

Peace to you too.I think your question comes into greater focus now. If sinlessness is possible, why do we seem to fail at it? There is great victory in the answer to that question.

 

[amadeus2]

Does he mean in an absolute sinless perfection sense or what is only possible to live in this life?

What is possible to live in this life is what Jesus, but which none of us have accomplished:

"But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible." Matt 19:26

If we surrender to God every time we are tempted we will never again sin!!!

 

[amadeus2]

I cannot find anywhere in the bible where it says that "Christians" must sin.

It doesn't!

 

[amadeus2]

I would think only what is possible in this life, since the other is impossible.

Impossible for man, but if we are totally surrendered to God's Spirit then it is possible!

 

[DevotiontoBible]

What is possible to live in this life is what Jesus, but which none of us have accomplished:

"But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible." Matt 19:26

If we surrender to God every time we are tempted we will never again sin!!!

Where does the Bible say surrender to God when tempted?

 

[amadeus2]

Yeah, kinda.

I have asked this question many times in different threads, but can't seem to get a straight answer.

In the interest of fairness and full disclosure, I might say that it comes up whenever we are talking about any one of the blessings that God has given us. People will make an argument like this:

If God has given that to everyone, then why don't all christians have it? After all, if God wanted me to have ___________ then I would have it.

So I want to know, if christians have been given power over sin, why aren't christians sinless? No one yet has answered this question, though I have asked it many different times in many different threads.

So I thought that I would start a thread on just this one question.

Peace...

People are not sinless because they do not surrender themselves to God's Spirit every time they are tempted to sin!

 

[DevotiontoBible]

People are not sinless because they do not surrender themselves to God's Spirit every time they are tempted to sin!

Where is this in the Bible?

 

[amadeus2]

Because they love it more than they love God.

Each time they sin that is really true. Sad isn't it? Fortunately, God is merciful and willing to help us to surrender more completely to Him. We don't ask just one time. We must ask continuously for His help:

"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:" Matt 7:7

 

[DevotiontoBible]

Each time they sin that is really true. Sad isn't it? Fortunately, God is merciful and willing to help us to surrender more completely to Him. We don't ask just one time. We must ask continuously for His help:

"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:" Matt 7:7

Where is this "surrender more" to overcome temptation idea in the Bible?

 

[amadeus2]

Ahhhhh.....

My apologies.

Do you mean possible theoretically? (As in it is technically possible, but no one has achieved it, other than Jesus?)

Or do you mean possible practically? (As in it is practically possible, and many people have achieved it?)

It is simply put: possible, because Jesus said that it was. It is impossible for us alone, but with His Spirit in us it is POSSIBLE!

Is it difficult?

"Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."Matt 11:29-30

 

[dkbwarrior]

It is simply put: possible, because Jesus said that it was. It is impossible for us alone, but with His Spirit in us it is POSSIBLE!

Is it difficult?

"Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."Matt 11:29-30

Good post!

 

[amadeus2]

Even though I'm confident I'm about to get beat severely about the head and shoulders for it, I must say possible practically. I do not have an opinion on whether or not "many' have achieved it, nor for that matter on whether or not "any" have achieved it. Just that is has to be possible practically. (only speaking of born again Christians here)

I believe that some have, but I am also certain that as soon a person says that they have a bit of pride pops up in their heart and they are not there. That's why we will not hear it from the person's own lips.

 

[amadeus2]

Where does the Bible say surrender to God when tempted?

Well I shouldn't say surrender only when tempted. Surrender at all times! Or as the Bible says, submit

"Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you." James 4:3

And also:

"Pray without ceasing" I Thess 5:17

And also:

"Rejoice in the Lord alway: and again I say, Rejoice." Philippians 4:4

 

[RMDY]

Have all Christians been given the power to overcome sin in their lives?

If not, why not?

If so, then why do christians still commit sin?

Peace...

YES!!!!

But Satan loves to exploit christians.

He loves it.

The Flesh, The Word, and Satan truly work together to exploit a christian and do many things to work against them. One key to remember is that Jesus told us not to leave this world but to separate ourselves from it and walk in the light.

We all want to do that, if we set our minds on Christ, but at times, many things get in the way.

Old sin-nature lingers.

Satan always tries to disrupt the process of a christian going from carnal to spiritual and make christian hypocrites.

One thing that I notice I had trouble with is putting my old passions and desires behind me even when I had to set my mind on Christ.


But despite how many times one may sin despite setting their minds on Christ and doing the very things they don't want to do, knowing they may be wrong, Jesus can't deny himself and will always remain faithful and wait for you to truly repent and walk in the Spirit with him.