Jesus Christ, was he sent for all mankind?

[HumbleSiPilot77]

Gospel of Barnabas is a proven fraud, what are you still yacking about???

 

[Carey]

Hello.We muslims believe he was sent to the sons of Israel not for all mankind.This doesnt mean the one who follows Him in real does a wrong job but this is God's plan for He sent Muhammed-aleyhissalam-to all mankind.Which proofs do christians have to claim that Jesus was sent to entire humanity and not only to the israelites?

I pray your answer is here.


YHVH, Elohim of Hosts, came in the “flesh” (as an only brought forth Son of a Father) as Yahshua (Yah's Salvation) to be our “Messiah” and “Kinsman Redeemer” in order to die for the sins of an adulterous Bride and to resurrect in order to reconcile us to Himself, as our Husband.Yahochanan 3:16~18, Debarim/Deut. 24:1~4, Wayyiqra/Lev. 25:25
Yeshayahu 54:5

• Yahshua - “God-man” or “Man-ifestation” of Elohim?
• In The Beginning Was The ‘Word'

In the Messiah's atoning death on a tree, His burial, and physical resurrection after three days in the earth and His ascension to the Father. There He sits on His right hand as Master (Adon) and High Priest (Kohen HaGadol) after the order of the Melek Tzaddik over ALL Yisrael.Psalm 110:1;
Hebrews 7:17 In the atoning blood of the Lamb of Yahweh (YHVH), Messiah Yahshua, as the means of cleansing and forgiveness of our breaking the Torah (sin).
1 Yohanan 1:6-10; Hebrews 9:11-28 We believe in a “born again” or "born from above" experience through the act of teshuva (repentance of sin and returning to the Torah of Yahweh). Through acceptance of Messiah Yahshua's sacrifice on a tree and immersion / mikvah in His Name ~YHVH ) one is restored to the Kingdom of Heaven ~ Yisrael.Wayyiqra/Lev. 11:36
Yahochanan 3:3, Mattityahu 3:1~17 and Matt. 28:18~20

• BORN AGAIN - Spiritual Birth and Rosh Chodesh
• “MIKVEH or BAPTISM”
  Are They The Same Thing?

That the Renewed Covenant in His blood was made with Yehudah (the Jews) and The House of Yisrael (Ephraim) and those who would attach themselves to Yisrael through the Messiah and the Torah of Yahweh.
Yirmeyahu 31:31-36; Hebrews 9:8-13; Mattityahu 26:26-29 That Yahweh is, today, rescuing from ALL nations a remnant washed in the blood of the Lamb and rebuilding the fallen Tabernacle of David. Renewed Covenant Yisrael, as defined as Yehudah (Jews) and the returning House of Yisrael (Lost 10 Tribes), are becoming ONE again through the Messiah Yahshua.
Their companions are the minority of non-Yisraelites, who by the blood of Messiah, join the nation of Yisrael and become grafted into the Yisraelite Olive Tree (Romans 11). We recognize that all Jews are Yisraelites but not ALL Yisraelites are Jews.
Acts 15:14-18;
Amos 9:9-12
Ephesians 2:1-22;
Galatians 6:16;
1 Kepha 2:9;
Ezek. 37:16
That all Yisrael have been partially blind.
Jewish Yisrael has been blinded to the TRUE Messiah who is Yahweh/Yahshua, while Ephraim has been blinded to the Torah, their identity as Yisrael and their Hebraic roots. And, that both have bee blinded to the true Name of YHVH ~ Yahweh.
That through the Two House Restoration, both Houses are having their blindness removed, as a prelude to the “Restoration of the Kingdom to Yisra'el” through Messiah Yahshua.
Romans 11:25;
Isaiah 8:14;
Shemot/Exodus 3:15
That the Jewish people have been the identifiable representatives and offspring of Yahudah, Binyamin, and Levi. Most Non-Jewish believers in Messiah Yahshua from all the nations have been up to now the unidentifiable offspring of the Northern 10 Tribes of Yisrael who were scattered and assimilated into every nation (Ephraim).Zech.8:23 That Ephraim's recognition of their identity and restoration with Brother Yahudah is the truth that will become the salvation of all Yisrael.
Ezek.37:16-28; Romans 11:25-26 That Messiah Yahshua's physical return to the earth will result in the ultimate reunion and restoration of the Kingdom to Yisrael as He (the Master and King) takes BOTH sticks of Ezekiel 37 and makes them ONE (ECHAD) in Yahweh's hand on the mountains of the land of Yisrael (their inheritance forever), as all Yisrael is saved honoring Yahshua as King sitting on David's throne, and obeying the Torah of Yahweh.Acts1:6 That the Seventh Day is the True Sabbath (Shabbat) of Yahweh and the Feasts of Yahweh should be observed by the Body of Messiah. We reject all pagan holidays and rites.Wayyiqra/Lev.23

• Mitzvot Shabbat
• Shabbat – Part 2

We also believe that all the Torah (the Word of Yahweh / His Instructions) is still valid and has not passed away.Debarim/Deut. 4:10 & 18:18~19;
Matt.5:17~20 and
Luke 6:47~49 We believe in the “infilling of the Set-apart Spirit” (Ruach HaKodesh) according to Acts, Chapter 2.
Yeshayahu/Is. 63:11~14;
Tehillim 51:11~12;
Matt. 3:11;
Yahochanan 14:25~26
Acts 1:4~8 & 2:36~47

• The Set-apart Spirit of Elohim Ruach HaKodesh

We further believe that the gifts and callings of Yahweh are irrevocable therefore the gifts of the Ruach HaKodesh are valid for today as properly understood from the Hebraic viewpoint. We also acknowledge the five fold ministry gifts in the Body of Messiah.
1 Corinthians 12-14;
Ephesians 4:4-13

• Speaking In Tongues

We believe that both “Replacement Theology” (the belief that something man-made called the "church" replaces the Jews and Yisrael in the plan of Elohim) and Separate Entity Theology (where something man-made called the "church" co-exists as a separate entity alongside the people of Yisrael) are both unscriptural man-made heresies.
We are opposed to any and all forms of “anti-Semitism”, “anti-Judaism” and “anti-Zionism”. We oppose all “Identity” movements, the “White (Aryan) Supremacists” as well as “British Israelism”. We consider these false teachings and “doctrines of demons”. We support the Nation of Yisra'el and our brothers, the Jewish people.

 

[Micah68]

Hello.We muslims believe he was sent to the sons of Israel not for all mankind.This doesnt mean the one who follows Him in real does a wrong job but this is God's plan for He sent Muhammed-aleyhissalam-to all mankind.Which proofs do christians have to claim that Jesus was sent to entire humanity and not only to the israelites?

Salaam, I have been told that Muslims reveared Jesus and his teachings and were supposed to say peace be upon him when speaking of him? I have also been told that When Christ does return Muslims will then follow Christ? This too, I have been told that first there was Judism, they messed up, then came Christianity, they messed up, then came Islam. All three religions follow the Torah/OT, Islam and Christianity follow the teachings of all the Prophets of the OT and NT.

Curious
~Micah

 

[Micah68]

He was an early Christian writer.

Josephus was a Jewish historian

http://members.aol.com/fljosephus/home.htm

 

[mpok1519]

when Christ comes, all people of all faiths will follow him, and all will be redeemed. Only those who fall into hatred and selfness will not know Christ.

 

[yaqovzadeek]

Don't drink water when adhan, the call to prayer, is being announced in the P.A., don't lay when the call to prayer is being announced, don't walk in front of someone who is praying, I can think of more I am sure from my upbringing.....

Please give evidences of where you get these from, as a student of knowledge where we analyse hadeeth and its chain of naration from the Prophet Himself i have never come across this.Manhy people claim they know hadeeth and the quran.However their claims are unfounded, they haven't catually read such hadith from the Books of hadeeths themselves from from what someone else wrote.So please provide reference and let me verify this claim before it is taken as full truth by people who are none the wiser.
Thankyou
peace
yaqovzadeek
aka james the just

 

[Raul7]

Salaam, I have been told that Muslims reveared Jesus and his teachings and were supposed to say peace be upon him when speaking of him? I have also been told that When Christ does return Muslims will then follow Christ? This too, I have been told that first there was Judism, they messed up, then came Christianity, they messed up, then came Islam. All three religions follow the Torah/OT, Islam and Christianity follow the teachings of all the Prophets of the OT and NT.

Curious
~Micah

This is true, we will follow him when he eventually comes back. Jesus, peace be upon him, will lead the people of Faith against the unbelievers (who will follow the Anti-Christ) in Jerusalem. God willing, Jesus will slay the anti-Christ and following this, the World will be filled with peace and wealth will be widespread to the point where there will be no one to give charity to.

 

[KCDAD]

Please give evidences of where you get these from, as a student of knowledge where we analyse hadeeth and its chain of naration from the Prophet Himself i have never come across this.Manhy people claim they know hadeeth and the quran.However their claims are unfounded, they haven't catually read such hadith from the Books of hadeeths themselves from from what someone else wrote.So please provide reference and let me verify this claim before it is taken as full truth by people who are none the wiser.
Thankyou
peace
yaqovzadeek
aka james the just

100 Ahadith about Islamic Manners:

22. Allah likes sneezing and dislikes yawning. ... Yawning is from the devil. When one of you feels like yawning, he should restrain it as much as possible, for the devil laughs at you when one of you yawns.
25. "When a servant Muslim or a believer washes his face, every sin he has committed with his eyes is washed away from his face along with the water...
71. The messenger of Allah passed by me when I was sitting with my left hand behind my back and leaning on my palm. On seeing me in this posture he said:" Do you sit like those upon whom the wrath of Allah has descended?"
78. I was lying down on my belly in the mosque when someone shook me with his foot and said: "Lying down this way is hated by Allah." I looked up and saw that it was the messenger of Allah.

 

[Carey]

Originally Posted by anatolian
Hello.We muslims believe he was sent to the sons of Israel not for all mankind.This doesnt mean the one who follows Him in real does a wrong job but this is God's plan for He sent Muhammed-aleyhissalam-to all mankind.Which proofs do christians have to claim that Jesus was sent to entire humanity and not only to the israelites?

Romans 2 : 14(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, 15since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.) 16This will take place on the day when God will judge men's secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

This is true, we will follow him when he eventually comes back. Jesus, peace be upon him, will lead the people of Faith against the unbelievers (who will follow the Anti-Christ) in Jerusalem. God willing, Jesus will slay the anti-Christ and following this, the World will be filled with peace and wealth will be widespread to the point where there will be no one to give charity to.

Revelation 1:1 A-from-covering/apo-kaluyiV<602> Yeshuwa` Mashiyach, which gives to Him, the God/YAHWEH, to show to the bondservants of Him, which is behooving to be becoming in swiftness.

Reve 19:11 And I perceived the heaven having be opened and Lo! A horse, white and the One sitting on it/him being called Faithfull-one and True-one and in justice He is judging and is battling.
12 The by eyes of Him as flame of fire and on the head of Him, diadems, many, having name having been written which no has perceived if no he.
13 And having been about cast/clothed cloak, having been dipped to blood and has been called the name of him, the Word of the God.
14 And the armies, the in the heaven, followed to him on horses, white, having been inslipped/dressed linen, white clean,

 

[Raja]

Gospel of Barnabas is a proven fraud, what are you still yacking about???

Let me ask you, Barnabas who was one of Jesus' desciples , his gospel is refused ! while Paul who never met Jesus nor was one of his desciples, you accept all his gospels though they include many fabricated matters imposed on Jesus original insturctions!!

HOW??AND WHY ??

 

[peaceful soul]

Let me ask you, Barnabas who was one of Jesus' desciples , his gospel is refused ! while Paul who never met Jesus nor was one of his desciples, you accept all his gospels though they include many fabricated matters imposed on Jesus original insturctions!!

HOW??AND WHY ??

Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Is this suppose to be an argument? If it is, it is not structured properly and has a false premise.

 

[Secundulus]

Let me ask you, Barnabas who was one of Jesus' desciples , his gospel is refused ! while Paul who never met Jesus nor was one of his desciples, you accept all his gospels though they include many fabricated matters imposed on Jesus original insturctions!!

HOW??AND WHY ??

Because there is no evidence that the Gospel of Barnabus existed before the late sixteenth century.

The others were written in the first century while the witnesses were alive.

 

[KCDAD]

Let me ask you, Barnabas who was one of Jesus' desciples , his gospel is refused ! while Paul who never met Jesus nor was one of his desciples, you accept all his gospels though they include many fabricated matters imposed on Jesus original insturctions!!

HOW??AND WHY ??

The Acts of Paul were rejected from the Canon.

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

Let me ask you, Barnabas who was one of Jesus' desciples , his gospel is refused ! while Paul who never met Jesus nor was one of his desciples, you accept all his gospels though they include many fabricated matters imposed on Jesus original insturctions!!

HOW??AND WHY ??

St. Barnabas was not one of the Twelve Apostles, though Book of Acts mentions his name as a missionary and apostle, just like Saint Paul. He is identified with an Epistle not a gospel. So St. Barnabas never met Christ in person either. St. Barnabas is one of the first prophets and teachers of the church at Antioch (Acts 13:1). St. Luke speaks of him as a "good man" (11:24). He was born of Jewish parents of the tribe of Levi. His aunt was the mother of John, surnamed Mark (Colossians 4:10), the same Mark as the person traditionally believed to be the author of the Gospel of Mark. He was a native of Cyprus, where he possessed land (Acts 4:36, 37), which he sold, and gave the proceeds to the church in Jerusalem. When St. Paul returned to Jerusalem after his conversion, St. Barnabas took him and introduced him to the apostles (9:27); it is possible that they had been fellow students in the school of Gamaliel.

A book named the "Gospel of Barnabas" is listed in two early catalogs of apocryphal texts. Another book using that same title, Gospel of Barnabas survives in two post-medieval manuscripts in Italian and Spanish. Although the book is ascribed to Barnabas, close examination of its text suggests that the book was written either by a 14th century Italian or a 16th century Morisco.

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

you accept all his gospels though they include many fabricated matters imposed on Jesus original insturctions!!

WHAT DID SAINT PAUL FABRICATE?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

WHAT DID SAINT PAUL FABRICATE?

I believe they have to believe that or else Muhammad would be in "third" place instead of "second".

That reminds me of a thread I started awhile. The Muslims [and even some Messianics] view Paul as a false Apostles and they even quoted Revelation for it .

http://foru.ms/t4410009-can-muhammad-and-paul-be-buddies.html
can-muhammad-and-paul-be-buddies

Btw, I started a thread concerning the Orthodox and Catholics differences if you are interested:

http://foru.ms/t6072629-the-pope-versus-the-orthodox-church.html
the-pope-versus-the-orthodox-church.

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

I believe they have to believe that or else Muhammad would be in "third" place instead of "second".

I would not even argue on that he has NO PLACE.

Btw, I started a thread concerning the Orthodox and Catholics differences if you are interested:

http://foru.ms/t6072629-the-pope-versus-the-orthodox-church.html
the-pope-versus-the-orthodox-church.

That is going to cut deep. Orthodox never approved a pope, and his authority.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Bump.....Interesting thread.

Luke 15:11 And he said: A certain Man had Two Sons.
32 But it was fit that we should make merry and be glad: for this thy brother was dead and is come to life again; he was lost/apo-lwlwV <622>, and is found

Matthew 10:6 "Be going rather to the lost/apo-lwlota <622> sheep of the house of Israel".

Matthew 15:24 The yet answered and said, "Not I being sent except into the lost/apo-lwlota <622> sheep of the house of Israel".

 

[anatolian]

Here the sons of Jacob are called nations,

The scepter shall not depart from Judah,nor the ruler's staff from between his feet,until tribute comes to him;and to him shall be the obedience of the peoples(Genesis 49:10)

And God said to him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply. A nation and a company of nations shall come from you, and kings shall come from your own body.(Genesis 35:11)