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Jesus Christ, was he sent for all mankind?

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Because it has been preserved in the same shape and form since the day it was revealed. In addition, it provides mankind with a complete and an uncontradictory 'how to' guide on how to lead a successful life both in this world and the next.

So that makes a book from G-d? LOL!!!

** Gets out wordpad, spends an hour making laws, claiming it to be from G-d, having no contradictions, speaking of the afterlife and all. Publishing it on lulu.com, and claims to be a Prophet.**

WooHoo!!!! My book is uncorrupted! It is the word of G-d!!!! It has 0 contradictions! It is accurate!!!!

How illogical. The Book of Mormon is not corrupted either, and has 0 contradictions!
 
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Because it has been preserved in the same shape and form since the day it was revealed. In addition, it provides mankind with a complete and an uncontradictory 'how to' guide on how to lead a successful life both in this world and the next.

I do not believe that is true. The Muslims I see are very unhappy people.

And? May I ask? Why will there be virgins in the after life? Sex?

Who thought of that one?

That is promising someone something that a man might want in this world and is frustrated about, and can not have it in the next. Because its a spiritual world. Where sex will not even be an issue.

Its a promise of worldly pleasures for a place that will not be of this world.
Sounds very contradictory to me.

IC, GeneZ
 
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Matthew 24:27 for as the lightning doth come forth from the east, and doth appear unto the west, so shall be also the presence/parousia <3952> of the Son of Man;
Is there a prediction here?A lightining comes from the sky to the earth so Christ will come from heaven to the earth.Will come to "the east" and appear unto "the west"....will come to the muslims and will appear unto the christians..just an opinion :)
 
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but this is God's plan for He sent Muhammed-aleyhissalam-to all mankind.


Yes people, so Muhammad said... This is why this "universal" religion teaches the language of Heaven is "Arabic"... Hope y'all catch my drift...
 
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français;37669215 said:
So that makes a book from G-d? LOL!!!

** Gets out wordpad, spends an hour making laws, claiming it to be from G-d, having no contradictions, speaking of the afterlife and all. Publishing it on lulu.com, and claims to be a Prophet.**

WooHoo!!!! My book is uncorrupted! It is the word of G-d!!!! It has 0 contradictions! It is accurate!!!!

Making up ones own rules? Why would he have a contradiction? That proves nothing.

But, I will tell you what he did contradict. The Word of God.

And the spirit that inspired him had targeted a violent mind set as the ones this teaching would appeal to.

A people who like to bully and threaten others in the name of God. To induce fear in others who would not submit to their control freak personalities.

And? If someone finds a contradiction? KILL HIM! (that takes care of all contradictions).





2 Timothy 4:3 (New International Version)
"For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear."



The spirit that inspired the Quran saw the kind of people it was designed for. What they would prefer. Something to suite their natural inclinations, and at the same time glorify those inclinations in the name of a god.



Genesis 16 (New International Version)



9 Then the angel of the LORD told her, "Go back to your mistress and submit to her." 10 The angel added, "I will so increase your descendants that they will be too numerous to count."

11 The angel of the LORD also said to her:
"You are now with child
and you will have a son.
You shall name him Ishmael,
for the LORD has heard of your misery.



12 He will be a wild donkey of a man;
his hand will be against everyone
and everyone's hand against him,
and he will live in hostility
toward all his brothers
."


There is a religion carefully crated for everyone who wants to feel like they know God, have God, and others do not.


Each religion will be something that their natural way of feeling towards life will find a strong affinity for...

Yet, Jesus said if we are to follow him that we must deny self. Take up our cross. Die to self... and be transformed in a way that will reflect his image in ourselves. We are to stop living in a manner which our natural way of feeling things is god in our outlook. "I feel this is good." "I feel this is bad." "I feel..."

"For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear."

I can just picture Jesus commanding his prophets to blow themselves up and kill infidels because they refused to listen to them. Can you?

To take everyone at the point of the sword and demand they confess belief in Christ? The Inquisitions did that. That was not of God, either. For all of you contradict the Word of God.

In Christ, GeneZ
 
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So that makes a book from G-d? LOL!!!

** Gets out wordpad, spends an hour making laws, claiming it to be from G-d, having no contradictions, speaking of the afterlife and all. Publishing it on lulu.com, and claims to be a Prophet.**

WooHoo!!!! My book is uncorrupted! It is the word of G-d!!!! It has 0 contradictions! It is accurate!!!!

How illogical. The Book of Mormon is not corrupted either, and has 0 contradictions!
Originally Posted by anatolian
but this is God's plan for He sent Muhammed-aleyhissalam-to all mankind.
But of course he did. :)
 
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Bump. Jesus sent to only "israel/jews" or to World?



Yes.. Jesus went to only the Jews.

Why?

So, he could send properly trained Jews who knew God's Word, all over the world.

It's really that simple.



Please! Enough of the literalist nonsense.

Jesus said, "I and the Father are one!"

(literalist) "I thought Jesus was Jewish! What's this one, stuff?"

See how crazy it can get? :doh:


Grace and peace, GeneZ
 
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The famous passge from the gospel of barnabas .

We find out why he called others dogs .

And lo! a woman of Canaan with her two sons, who had come forth out of her own country to find Jesus. Having therefore seen him come with his disciples, she cried out: 'Jesus, son of David, have mercy on my daughter, who is tormented of the devil! Jesus did not answer even a single word, because they were of the uncircumcised people. The disciples were moved to pity, and said: 'O master, have pity on them! Behold how much they cry out and weep!'
Jesus answered: 'I am not sent but unto the people of Israel.' Then the woman, with her sons, went before Jesus, weeping and saying: 'O son of David, have mercy on me!' Jesus answered: 'It is not good to take the bread from the children's hands and give it to the dogs.' And this said Jesus by reason of their uncleanness, because they were of the un- circumcised people.
The woman answered: 'O Lord, the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters' table.' Then was Jesus seized with admiration at the words of the woman, and said: 'O woman, great is thy faith.' And having raised his hands to heaven he prayed to God, and then he said: 'O woman, thy daughter is freed, go thy way in peace.' The woman departed, and returning to her home found her daughter, who was blessing God.' Wherefore the woman said: 'Verily there is none other God than the God of Israel.' Whereupon all her kinsfolk joined themselves unto the law of [God], according to the law written in the book of Moses.
Chapter 22 Miserable condition of the uncircumcised in that a dog is better than they.
The disciples questioned Jesus on that day, saying: 'O master, why didst thou make such answer to the woman, saying that they were dogs?'
Jesus answered: 'Verily I say unto you that a dog is better than an uncircumcised man.' Then were the disciples sorrowful, saying: 'Hard are these words, and who shall be able to receive them?'
Jesus answered: "If ye consider, O foolish ones, what the dog doth, that hath no reason, for the service of his master, ye will find my saying to be true. Tell me, doth the dog guard the house of his master, and expose his life against the robber? Yea, assuredly. But what receiveth he? Many blows and injuries with little bread, and he always showeth to his master a joyful countenance. Is this true?'
'True it is, O master,' answered the disciples.
Then said Jesus: 'Consider now how much God hath given to man, and ye shall see how unrighteous he is in not observing the covenant of God made with Abraham his servant. Remember that which David said to Saul king of Israel, against Goliath the Philistine: "My lord," said David, "while thy servant was keeping thy servant's flock there came the wolf, the bear, and the lion and seized thy servant's sheep: whereupon thy servant went and slew them, rescuing the sheep. And what is this uncircumcised one but like unto them ? Therefore will thy servant go in the name of the Lord God of Israel, and will slay this unclean one that blasphemeth the holy people of God."
Then said the disciples: 'Tell us O master for what reason man must needs be circumcised?"
Jesus answered: 'Let it suffice you that God hath commanded it to Abraham. saying: "Abraham, circumcise thy foreskin and that of all thy house, for this is a covenant between me and thee for ever.''
 
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Christian scholar of history readily confirm that after the famous council of Nicea (325 C.E.), the church of St. Paul (The Trinitarian Church) selected out of the over three hundred Gospels in their possession the four that most closely conformed to their doctrines. All others, including the Gospel of Barnabas, were ordered completely destroyed. They also ruled that all Gospels written in Hebrew were to be destroyed. This practice continued until at least the year 1616 C.E.

Well then, how did the Gospel of Barnabas reach us? It is well known and recorded that the Gospel of Barnabas was accepted as Canonical in the Churches of Alexandria till 325 C.E. Pope Damasus (304-384 C.E.) issued a decree that the Gospel of Barnabas should not be read. This decree was supported by Gelasus, Bishop of Caesaria who died in 395 C.E. Pope Demasus, however, did secure a personal copy of the Gospel of Barnabas for himself in 383 C.E. and placed it in his private library. Many decrees make mention of the Gospel of Barnabas, such as the decree of the Western churches in 382AD, Pope Innocent in 465C.E., the Glasian Decree of 496C.E., Pope Hormisdas, and it is mentioned in the Stichometry of Niceophorus. There are many others who made note of this Gospel throughout history or obtained their own copies.

In 478AD, the fourth year of Emperor Zeno, the remains of Barnabas were discovered and there was found on his breast a copy of the Gospel of Barnabas written by his own hand. (Acia Sanctorum Borland Junii Tom II, pages 422 and 450. Antwerp 1698) The famous Vulgate Bible appears to have been based upon this Gospel.

Among the early Christians was a man named Irenaeus (130-200 AD). According to the book "Jesus, Prophet of Islam," by Muhammad Ata&#65533; Ur Rahim, Irenaeus quoted extensively in his writings from the Gospel of Barnabas. In the sixteenth century C.E. a close friend of Pope Sextus (1589-1590) called Fra Marino, became extremely interested in the writings of Irenaeus. One day he was invited to visit the Pope and lunch with him. After eating with him, the Pope became drowsy and fell asleep. Father Marino took to browsing through the various books and manuscripts in the private library of Pope Sextus and happened upon an Italian translation of the Gospel of Barnabas. Father Marino concealed it in his sleeve and left the Vatican with it. This Gospel passed through many hands until it reached the hands of "a person of great name and authority" in Amsterdam "who during his lifetime, was often heard to put a high value on this piece." After his death, it came into the possession of J.E. Cramer, Councilor of the King of Prussia. In 1713, Cramer presented this Gospel to the famous connoisseur of books, Prince Eugene of Savoy. In 1738, the library of the Prince, including this Gospel was incorporated into the Hofbibliothek in Vienna where it now rests.


We all know that trinitarians do not like this gospel.


If the councel did not like it , it must be fake right ?


Barnabas - His Gospel & its Credibility

Article:

The name of Joseph Barnabas has never been strange or unknown to the scholars of the New Testament of the Bible; but his Gospel was scarcely known before the publication of the English Translation of 'The Koran' by George Sale, who introduced this 'Gospel' in the 'Preliminary Discourse' to his translation. Even then it remained beyond the access of Muslim Scholars owing to its non-availability in some language familiar to them. It was only after the publication of the English translation of the Gospel of Barnabas by Lonsdale and Laura Ragg from the Clarendon Press, Oxford in 1907, that some Muslim scholars could get an approach to it. Since then it has emerged as a matter of dispute, rather controversy, among Muslim and Christian scholars. In this article it would be endeavoured to make an objective study of the subject.


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Hello.We muslims believe he was sent to the sons of Israel not for all mankind.This doesnt mean the one who follows Him in real does a wrong job but this is God's plan for He sent Muhammed-aleyhissalam-to all mankind.Which proofs do christians have to claim that Jesus was sent to entire humanity and not only to the israelites?
Read the parables... The Good Samaritan, The Sheep and the Goats, The Wedding Party, The Prodigal Son ... look at the stories of Jesus' healings... they are nearly all about how it is not just about the people of Israel, but about all who would wish to live the abundant life.
 
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Among the early Christians was a man named Irenaeus (130-200 AD). According to the book "Jesus, Prophet of Islam," by Muhammad Ata&#65533; Ur Rahim, Irenaeus quoted extensively in his writings from the Gospel of Barnabas.

You just dropped your hand grenade in your own foxhole.

Irenaeus was one of the foremost early apologists against all the heresies that you believe are true. You can read him here: http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.toc.html

He said things like this: "Jesus Christ was not a mere man, begotten from Joseph in the ordinary course of nature, but was very God, begotten of the Father most high, and very man, born of the Virgin."

I am very glad that you are now believing in what Irenaeus said. When is your baptism scheduled?
 
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You just dropped your hand grenade in your own foxhole.

Irenaeus was one of the foremost early apologists against all the heresies that you believe are true. You can read him here: http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.toc.html

He said things like this: "Jesus Christ was not a mere man, begotten from Joseph in the ordinary course of nature, but was very God, begotten of the Father most high, and very man, born of the Virgin."

I am very glad that you are now believing in what Irenaeus said. When is your baptism scheduled?



So with this logic :

If an atheist quotes from an encyclopedia X and if I say encyclopedia X contains lots of true and useful information , then would I become an atheist ? :)


Peace
 
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You just dropped your hand grenade in your own foxhole.

Irenaeus was one of the foremost early apologists against all the heresies that you believe are true. You can read him here: http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.toc.html

He said things like this: "Jesus Christ was not a mere man, begotten from Joseph in the ordinary course of nature, but was very God, begotten of the Father most high, and very man, born of the Virgin."

I am very glad that you are now believing in what Irenaeus said. When is your baptism scheduled?
Would a Muslim feel the need to be baptized if he decided to come to the Faith that is of the Lord Jesus? Just curious on how Muslims view that. Thanks. :wave:
 
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So with this logic :

If an atheist quotes from an encyclopedia X and if I say encyclopedia X contains lots of true and useful information , then would I become an atheist ? :)


Peace


Let's fill in the blanks... If a muslim quotes from a Christian source, (especially an early church father) and if he says what he quoted contains lots of true and useful information (by the way, which information?) then would he become a Christian? No he would NOT become a Christian, he just agrees that the Christian information he quoted is true. If that does NOT go against his fundamental position, I don't know what else would...
 
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Hello.We muslims believe he was sent to the sons of Israel not for all mankind.This doesnt mean the one who follows Him in real does a wrong job but this is God's plan for He sent Muhammed-aleyhissalam-to all mankind.Which proofs do christians have to claim that Jesus was sent to entire humanity and not only to the israelites?
For God so loved THE WORLD that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

But of course, Muslims dismiss scriptures as corrupted and undependable. Muslims rely solely upon the Q'uran as we depend upon the Bible. That's why Muslims will never agree with Jews and Christians on much more than there is One God and he asks moral behavior from us.
 
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