Hell is a correctional jail

[7angel]

People think; if one goes to hell, it will never leave there, this does not have sense.

But, if hell is a place where conscience is taken from our bad conducts, for the repentance, then, hell is a place of true correction, where we cleaned ourselves of all our bad spirits,

Thus it would have sense

 

[Shiversblood]

No one in the bible says anyone has ever went to hell then was let out. It does sound like a good idea.

One time on T.V, there was this catholic priest. And he said that there was this book left out of the bible, and in it somewhere it said that one of the disciples asked Jesus why do people go to hell if God is all forgiveing, and Jesus said after the end of days they will all go to heaven. But I don't know if he is right.

Ever since I saw the show I always wondered if hell was actually the way it was portrayed. In the bible they hardly ever talk about it. We get all idea from hell from books that were not the bible. Like Dante's Inferno. Speculation hell.

Sometimes I just think People who don't know Christ when they die just die, and fade away. But thats probaly because I dont see the point of punishing the decent people with the evil people.

 

[zeke37]

The true hell is the Lake of Fire.

The souls who do not overcome will be thrown in that Lake of Fire.

no one has gone in yet, and will not until after the Millennium at the Judgement of God.

Those who deservedly get thrown in the Lake of Fire shall be completely destroyed...soul and all.

it is called the second death....the death of the soul.

Forever is a long time and God is finding out who loves Him for real and who does not...through absolute free will of those souls....all who do not overcome, are destroyed forever.

No one gets out, and even the Lake of Fire itself is destroyed.

in His service
c

 

[Shiversblood]

How do they stay there if the lake of fire is destroyed?

 

[Tavita]

Hi Zeke,

The souls who do not overcome will be thrown in that Lake of Fire.

True. Sinners will be thrown into the Lake of Fire.

no one has gone in yet, and will not until after the Millennium at the Judgement of God.

Very true. No one is suffering punishment for sins now in a blazing hell because no one has been judged yet.

Those who deservedly get thrown in the Lake of Fire shall be completely destroyed...soul and all.
it is called the second death....the death of the soul.

The usual Greek word for the translated Destroy and Perish, is 'apollumi', and is 'assumed' to mean 'to deprive of life'. But it also means lost, and was used for the word lost in ... lost ring, lost sheep, lost prodigal son. At no time were the lost ring, sheep, or son, deprived of life.


Joh 10:10 The thief does not come except to steal and to kill and to destroy. I have come so that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

If the word destroy in this verse meant to kill, the verse would read.. 'The thief does not come except to steal and to kill, and to kill.'

The Greek word for kill in this verse is 'thuo'(#2380), it means to slaughter, slay.

The terms seek and save mean the opposite of destroy. So the one who is "destroyed," is really just lost, not annihilated, or no one would seek after him in order to save him. He must be in a state which needs salvation or Christ would not have come to seek and to save him. This passage proves beyond a doubt that "destruction" is a salvageable condition, not a state beyond the reach of salvation. In addition, please notice that only the "lost" are saved. This fact reverses the usual idea of destruction. God seeks what He has lost!
(All in All, A. E. Knoch)

There are Greek words that mean 'to deprive of life', and they are..

apokteinco.. which means 'to kill';
sphazoo.. slay;
anaireoco.. assassinate or massacre;
phoneuco... to murder.

No one gets out, and even the Lake of Fire itself is destroyed.

Where does it say in the scriptures that the Lake of Fire is destroyed?

 

[Apollo Celestio]

Never heard of the Lake of Fire being destroyed, but I agree with the rest.

 

[zeke37]

I was sure it was worded like that, I'll have to check some more, but I know that death and hell (hades) are thrown in the Lake of Fire. I was sure that there is a reference to the actual Lake also being destroyed...done away with...I'll look. Sorry!

 

[seekthelight]

The Bible says our souls are immortal.

Where do people get this idea of anialationism. (or however you spell it)

 

[7angel]

REVELATION 3

14 9 "To the angel of the church in Laodicea, 10 write this: " 'The Amen, the faithful and true witness, the source of God's creation, says this: 15 "I know your works; I know that you are neither cold nor hot. 11 I wish you were either cold or hot. 16 12 So, because you are lukewarm, neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth. 17 13 For you say, 'I am rich and affluent and have no need of anything,' and yet do not realize that you are wretched, pitiable, poor, blind, and naked. 18 I advise you to buy from me gold refined by fire 14 so that you may be rich, and white garments to put on so that your shameful nakedness may not be exposed, and buy ointment to smear on your eyes so that you may see. 19 Those whom I love, I reprove and chastise. Be earnest, therefore, and repent. 20 " '"Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, (then) I will enter his house and dine with him, and he with me. 15 21 I will give the victor the right to sit with me on my throne, as I myself first won the victory and sit with my Father on his throne. 22 " '"Whoever has ears ought to hear what the Spirit says to the churches."'"

 

[pete56]

Hmm I thought annihilationism was one of the controversial topics we were not allowed to discuss outside of theological debate forums.

Any way I am encouraged to hear that some other folk are wrestling with this whole concept of hell as presented by our society and the various other denominational interpretations.

Just to see what you all think - has any body actually considered where the concept of hell (which is not specifically mentioned in the bible) came from?

I understand this is a derivative of some sort of eastern mystic religion that needed to scare its participants into being good, and that our Christian religions adopted it after the apostolic period to frighten the ignorant masses into committing to the only escape clause available - Christianity! If that is so, then what did Christ actually say about the Kingdom of Heaven and how we are able to enter it and more especially why?

Maybe Christianity is not about a free trip to heaven when we die, maybe the Kingdom of God has far more meaning than we have yet discovered! Or more precisely have forgotten!

P

 

[IisJustMe]

But, if hell is a place where conscience is taken from our bad conducts, for the repentance, then, hell is a place of true correction, where we cleaned ourselves of all our bad spirits ... Thus it would have sense

Hell makes sense as it is. Life without Christ is a death sentence. Don't claim Christ's salvation for yourself in this world, and you condemn yourself.

Hell is death, eternal separation from God because you stubbornly refused to accept the free gift of eternal life in Christ.

Hell will itself be cast into the Lake of Fire, it and all its inhabitants. Hell is not a place from which one will ever walk. It is the choice the sinner makes not to allow Jesus to redeem him as His own.

By the way, "correctional jail" is an oxymoron. Despite man's best efforts, no jail or prison reforms anyone. That, too, requires Jesus.

 

[Tavita]

Don't claim Christ's salvation for yourself in this world, and you condemn yourself.

Do you save yourself now?

Hell is death, eternal separation from God because you stubbornly refused to accept the free gift of eternal life in Christ.

Hell will itself be cast into the Lake of Fire, it and all its inhabitants. Hell is not a place from which one will ever walk. It is the choice the sinner makes not to allow Jesus to redeem him as His own.

This is what I was taught in church too. Do a study on 'fire', in both Old and New Testaments and you will be surprised what you find. You will find that God Himself is the fire. If our God is a consuming fire, then they themselves will die in Him, and be separated from Him? I think not. If you study fire in the bible you will find that fire purges dross to bring forth gold. And brimstone is actually purgative too. ALL men's works will be tested by 'fire'.

1Co 3:13 each one's work shall be revealed. For the Day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try each one's work as to what kind it is.
1Co 3:14 If anyone's work which he built remains, he shall receive a reward.
1Co 3:15 If anyone's work shall be burned up, he shall suffer loss. But he shall be saved, yet so as by fire.

By the way, "correctional jail" is an oxymoron. Despite man's best efforts, no jail or prison reforms anyone. That, too, requires Jesus.

That may be man's efforts, because apart from Him we can do nothing of any worth, but God's effort will be perfect. His work is redemptive and restorative.

 

[JMRE5150]

People think; if one goes to hell, it will never leave there, this does not have sense.

But, if hell is a place where conscience is taken from our bad conducts, for the repentance, then, hell is a place of true correction, where we cleaned ourselves of all our bad spirits,

Thus it would have sense

While its a novel idea, this simply is not biblical.

People often come up with ideas like this when trying to work out how a loving God would cast away his children forever. Unfortunately, one must remember that God has more attributes besides love...he is also a God of anger, justice, and jealousy (yes, jealousy. Check out Ex. 20:5 for proof if you'd like).

My point is, knowing these other attributes of God against the backdrop of a permanent place of Hell makes perfect sense.

 

[7angel]

MATTHEW 5

21 15 16 "You have heard that it was said to your ancestors, 'You shall not kill; and whoever kills will be liable to judgment.' 22 17 But I say to you, whoever is angry 18 with his brother will be liable to judgment, and whoever says to his brother, 'Raqa,' will be answerable to the Sanhedrin, and whoever says, 'You fool,' will be liable to fiery Gehenna. 23 Therefore, if you bring your gift to the altar, and there recall that your brother has anything against you, 24 leave your gift there at the altar, go first and be reconciled with your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25 Settle with your opponent quickly while on the way to court with him. Otherwise your opponent will hand you over to the judge, and the judge will hand you over to the guard, and you will be thrown into prison. 26 Amen, I say to you, you will not be released until you have paid the last penny. What Jesus says, in verse 26?
how you interpret it?

If it pays (the repentance) it will leave the prison

 

[Nadiine]

While its a novel idea, this simply is not biblical.

People often come up with ideas like this when trying to work out how a loving God would cast away his children forever. Unfortunately, one must remember that God has more attributes besides love...he is also a God of anger, justice, and jealousy (yes, jealousy. Check out Ex. 20:5 for proof if you'd like).

My point is, knowing these other attributes of God against the backdrop of a permanent place of Hell makes perfect sense.

This is exactly the problem too.
Instead of working to understand how God's attributes work together - what HE calls LOVE, people are using THEIR HUMAN OPINION ON FEELINGS that they are calling "Love" and applying them over God in order to interpret doctrine.

IE> using HUMAN feelings & emotions as if God is ruled by them as well.
The problem in our reasoning is that WE DO NOT POSSESS THE ATTRIBUTES GOD DOES WHICH ARE "JUSTICE, WRATH & RIGHTEOUSNESS". Without us carrying those attributes that GOD IS, we cannot fully understand how God can ALSO condemn souls to an eternal damnation.
We aren't righteous at all, and we do not demand a PERFECT standard like God does. So we are incapable of reasoning the same way God does or seeing SIN as HE DOES.

All we can understand is how WE love... but we don't have perfect Love as God does - God ALSO allows little children to be molested & abused in His permissive will - WOULD YOU ALLOW IT?
Doubtful! So if God can allow heinous violence to happen to children, can He not also condemn a soul to eternal banishment from heaven to judge sin?

Also, people are not not understanding how the LAW works and what Christ fulfilled of the law.
IF YOU ARE NOT COVERED BY JESUS' BLOOD, YOU ARE LEFT TO ATONE FOR YOUR OWN SIN- being sent to the lake of fire is the 2nd death -

Someone PLEASE provide for me the verses that SPELL OUT where, when and how these condemned souls who rejected their redemption from Christ, GET OUT of the lake of fire.
The bible clearly describes the event of how they get there (judgment time), yet there isn't ONE verse that even remotely elaborates about WHEN they get out & any of that supposed process.
IF it were true, it would explain that in the process as it does the judgment & punishment. NOTHING ON RELEASE.

Please stop adding human will to scripture - it's not in there, its your wishful thinking.

 

[JMRE5150]

So I am assuming you are equating the earthly prison in verse 25 to eternal Hell in verse 22? If so, you are forcing the text to reveal what you want to find, not what it directly says.

This passage is doing a few things: 1) showing that all sin has equal ramifications (comparing murder to bad mouthing a brother) 2) instructing on reconciliation with a earthly brother (or sister in Christ).

Notice that Christ mentions reconciliation with a brother. Nowhere does he mention "Father". This would also be forcing text to say something it is not. Dangerous ground, and bad theology.

Simply put, sometimes a prison is just a prison.

 

[Nadiine]

Notice that Christ mentions reconciliation with a brother. Nowhere does he mention "Father". This would also be forcing text to say something it is not. Dangerous ground, and bad theology.

Not only that, but a 'brother' (our Christian brothers) DIDN'T DIE FOR OUR SINS & OFFER US REDEMPTION.

A trespass against a brother isn't the same as rejection of the Son of God's payment for sin by any stretch of the imagination

 

[IisJustMe]

That's an assumption I make based on your calling attention to differences you have with my post that are not really on point for the thread. But I'll address your points, just don't expect further comment.

Do you save yourself now?

No, but the drawing of the Holy Spirit also demands a response. God's sovereignty and man's free will are not mutually exclusive, but strange as it may seem, they actually coexist side by side.

This is what I was taught in church too. Do a study on 'fire', in both Old and New Testaments and you will be surprised what you find. You will find that God Himself is the fire.

That's true in some passages in the Old and New Testaments, but the Greek pur used in Revelation and translated "fire" means, plainly and simply, fire. It is literal, and is the final destination of hell and its occupants, as I stated earlier. There is no redemption from hell, nor anything purgative about the Lake of Fire. It is a final, complete, and utter condemnation.

That may be man's efforts, because apart from Him we can do nothing of any worth, but God's effort will be perfect. His work is redemptive and restorative.

And it seems to me I said something very similar to that, so your comment appears redundant to me. Perhaps you didn't understand what I said?

 

[Nadiine]

I'd also like to add my view of a "temporary punishment" and release from sin - from an unsaved person's POV.

As a believer right now, I know the JOY of obeying the Lord, serving, worshipping and knowing Him. But BEFORE we're saved, we don't realize or fathom any of that NOR CARE how Good God is and we prefer to live in our natural state.

So as a nonbeliever living life for yourself, does the thought of temporary judgment and then God lets you out to enjoy eternal bliss for the rest of eternity really give you any reason to accept salvation or WANT God?
When you can instead, ENJOY THIS LIFE YOUR WAY, AND YOU GET THE NEXT ONE TOO after a short period of jailtime?

Absolutely NOT. There is utterly NO incentive to the unsaved person to even want salvation when they get it later anyways - and do what they want in this life too.

Is anyone bothering to see this from the eyes of people who don't KNOW God's love or grace to appreciate it?
There's no incentive to salvation when people believe God gives it to them anyways when they see 'hell' and repent (JUST TO KEEP FROM ANY DISCOMFORT & get into a blissful heaven!).

The whole concept is nonsensical if you study it. People who DO repent are repenting only becuz they want out of hell- not remorse for sin AND NOT BECUZ THEY LOVE GOD SO MUCH! THEY WANT PUNISHMENT TO END.

 

[IisJustMe]

The usual Greek word for the translated Destroy and Perish, is 'apollumi', and is 'assumed' to mean 'to deprive of life'. But it also means lost, and was used for the word lost in ... lost ring, lost sheep, lost prodigal son.

Until such time as one receives Christ as Savior and Lord, one is doomed to destruction and eternal separation from God. That, pure and simply, is death.

At no time were the lost ring, sheep, or son, deprived of life.

This statement indicates a lack of understanding that until one is "quickened" -- made alive -- in Christ, one is dead, destroyed, eternally separated. The "death" spoken of, the "destruction," is spiritual destruction, not physical life. All die physically. Only those alive in Christ do not experience the second death. Without Christ, one is destroyed, but not aware of that fact in the flesh.

If the word destroy in this verse [John 10:10] meant to kill, the verse would read.. 'The thief does not come except to steal and to kill, and to kill.'

The word "apollumi" is used to indicate there is no redemption from the condemnation of the spiritual death, once it is experienced.

The terms seek and save mean the opposite of destroy. So the one who is "destroyed," is really just lost, not annihilated, or no one would seek after him in order to save him.

Again, you fail to grasp that the lost person is destroyed, just unaware of it, because until he is alive in Christ, he is dead spiritually.