This is Why Homosexuality is Wrong. . .

[TheManeki]

No, it means that perhaps you need to evaluate exactly what your society does and why.

That's exactly what brought many of us to a pro-homosexuality stance.

What does society do? Discriminate against a group of people who do no harm.

Why? Good question. All the old arguments (many of which are purveyed in the E&M forum) are being dismissed for having no basis in reality. Unless you or those who believe the same as you actually manage to come up with some scientific data supporting your case, something which has yet to happen over the past forty years.

Edit: #500! Whoopee! (Or perhaps, big whoop-de-do.)

 

[Ramona]

Now that I think of it, LN's take on God seems more Lawful Evil -- authoritarian and bad news.

Okay. Better stop with the D&D references before (as KommisarSteve would say) my virginity starts growing back.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....

Nice going. You killed me.

 

[LittleNipper]

That's exactly what brought many of us to a pro-homosexuality stance.

What does society do? Discriminate against a group of people who do no harm.

Why? Good question. All the old arguments (many of which are purveyed in the E&M forum) are being dismissed for having no basis in reality. Unless you or those who believe the same as you actually manage to come up with some scientific data supporting your case, something which has yet to happen over the past forty years.

Edit: #500! Whoopee! (Or perhaps, big whoop-de-do.)

Homosexuals are good people. Heterosexuals are bad people.
Humanists are good people. Christians are bad people.
LittleNipper is so evil. People who agree with homosexualism are fabulous.....

Your logic rings rather hollow.

 

[TheManeki]

Hmmm...I'm going to have to check my original post and see if it jives with what you apparently read. Nope. Where'd all this come from?

Homosexuals are good people.
Heterosexuals are bad people.

Some are, some aren't. Sexual orientation doesn't make a person inherently good or evil.

Humanists are good people. Christians are bad people.

Some are, some aren't. I've known good and bad humanists; I've known good and bad Christians.

LittleNipper is so evil.

I'm sure we would agree on a host of other topics, but on the topic of homosexuality you don't have a leg to stand on -- Biblically or scientifically.

People who agree with homosexualism are fabulous.....

Well thank you! I would also add witty, and charming, and intelligent, and rather handsome (or beautiful, if you are a female of the species). But that's just my humble opinion.

 

[IzzyPop]

Homosexuals are good people. Heterosexuals are bad people.
Humanists are good people. Christians are bad people.
LittleNipper is so evil. People who agree with homosexualism are fabulous.....

Your logic rings rather hollow.

I love the projection. Look, just because you paint with a large brush and like to condemn people because of one single facet of who they are, please do not assume the rest of us operate in the same manner. I know plenty of homosexuals that I cannot stand and I would qualify them as bad people. Why? Because of the whole person. Same with heterosexuals, same with atheists, and same with Christians.

 

[Ramona]

Whoa, how'd I miss this post?

NO, you'd much rather worship the diety you've chosen as your icon----need I say more? It is disgusting and vulgar.

OK, I'll humor you for a moment. So, Christian god commits genocide (Genesis 6:5-9; Deuteronomy 7:1-2; Joshua 6:21; Joshua 10:40-41; 1 Samuel 27:8-9; the list goes on...) tells fathers to kill their own children (and then says "J/K Abraham, lol"), gleefully tosses his children into an eternal fire (because he is "just" and "loving"), and is used by people like you as an excuse to hate your fellow human beings....yet Kali Ma is the disgusting and vulgar one? Why is this, Nipper? Do tell me, I am curious.

 

[TheManeki]

I'm willing to bet the answer will revolve around "A heathen such as you could never understand the Bible," when in actuality you understand it all too well. Good reading and citation, WF.

 

[KomissarSteve]

Now that I think of it, LN's take on God seems more Lawful Evil -- authoritarian and bad news.

Amazing - I was just thinking the same thing AUGH! NERDGASM! >.<

 

[Ramona]

I'm willing to bet the answer will revolve around "A heathen such as you could never understand the Bible," when in actuality you understand it all too well. Good reading and citation, WF.

I'm willing to bet that I don't get an answer at all, but moving right along...

I am well aware that Nipper's beliefs do not reflect those of most IRL Christians and a good number on CF/FM. And by posting things like that, I do not mean to insult mainline Christianity. It's the brand of Christianity that forsakes Christ in favor of doctrine which I have a problem with.

Oh, and Steve, I'm totally stealing "Nerdgasm."

 

[TheManeki]

I am well aware that Nipper's beliefs do not reflect those of most IRL Christians and a good number on CF/FM. And by posting things like that, I do not mean to insult mainline Christianity. It's the brand of Christianity that forsakes Christ in favor of doctrine is what I have a problem with.

Well said! No problems here.

 

[KomissarSteve]

I'm willing to bet that I don't get an answer at all, but moving right along...

I am well aware that Nipper's beliefs do not reflect those of most IRL Christians and a good number on CF/FM. And by posting things like that, I do not mean to insult mainline Christianity. It's the brand of Christianity that forsakes Christ in favor of doctrine which I have a problem with.

Oh, and Steve, I'm totally stealing "Nerdgasm."

That's okay, I stole it from someone else myself.

 

[LittleNipper]

I love the projection. Look, just because you paint with a large brush and like to condemn people because of one single facet of who they are, please do not assume the rest of us operate in the same manner. I know plenty of homosexuals that I cannot stand and I would qualify them as bad people. Why? Because of the whole person. Same with heterosexuals, same with atheists, and same with Christians.

I do not comdemn people. I condemn the act. Big difference! I do not hate homosexuals, but it would seem that many who call themselves "homosexual" hate me because of my stance against pornographic sexual behavior.

 

[TheManeki]

I do not comdemn people. I condemn the act. Big difference! I do not hate homosexuals, but it would seem that many who call themselves "homosexual" hate me because of my stance against pornographic sexual behavior.

I'm not homosexual, and I don't hate you. I just think that you have not found correlation in the Bible and in science for your beliefs -- because there is none.

Now why don't we all hold hands and go help the poor or something?

 

[Ramona]

I'm not homosexual, and I don't hate you. I just think that you have not found correlation in the Bible and in science for your beliefs -- because there is none.

Now why don't we all hold hands and go help the poor or something?

Bisexual non-Christian here, and I do not hate Nipper, either. Do I think he's misguided? Yes. Do I think that his views are potentially dangerous? Yes. But that doesn't mean that I hate him as a person.

Now, Maneki: Incidentally, I am posting on CF in-between working on my Americorps application right at this moment. Wewt!

 

[LittleNipper]

Whoa, how'd I miss this post?



OK, I'll humor you for a moment. So, Christian god commits genocide (Genesis 6:5-9; Deuteronomy 7:1-2; Joshua 6:21; Joshua 10:40-41; 1 Samuel 27:8-9; the list goes on...) tells fathers to kill their own children (and then says "J/K Abraham, lol"), gleefully tosses his children into an eternal fire (because he is "just" and "loving"), and is used by people like you as an excuse to hate your fellow human beings....yet Kali Ma is the disgusting and vulgar one? Why is this, Nipper? Do tell me, I am curious.

Did you know that those people worshipped BAAL and believed in infant and child sacrafice. They usually burned the child to death. GOD judged those people and found them infectious. That was under the LAW. You take verses out of context. Some are literal and some are figurative. It is hard to tell from a verse lifted out of its text and a closed heart bend on distortion

 

[.Sabre.]

I do not comdemn people. I condemn the act. Big difference! I do not hate homosexuals, but it would seem that many who call themselves "homosexual" hate me because of my stance against pornographic sexual behavior.

Straight people make porn too....so is straight sex pornographic sexual behavior?

 

[LittleNipper]

Bisexual non-Christian here, and I do not hate Nipper, either. Do I think he's misguided? Yes. Do I think that his views are potentially dangerous? Yes. But that doesn't mean that I hate him as a person.

Now, Maneki: Incidentally, I am posting on CF in-between working on my Americorps application right at this moment. Wewt!

How are my views dangerous? I am very sympathetic to people with issues. I find the view that homosexuality is not an issue to be far more a danger to society, children, eduction, and love. Would you allow person with a learning disability (some would call mental retardation) to adopt children? I find that they tend to be very loving, kind, innocent, caring , and without malice. However, that is not good enough for many. They would rather a highly educated homosexual adopt a child (as though IQ's are infectious) than for a slow person to lead a child to adulthood. I find that mode of thinking dangerous. It places education ahead of character and talent ahead of virture.

 

[Ramona]

Did you know that those people worshipped BAAL and believed in infant and child sacrafice. They usually burned the child to death. GOD judged those people and found them infectious. That was under the LAW. You take verses out of context. Some are literal and some are figurative. It is hard to tell from a verse lifted out of its text and a closed heart bend on distortion

Nipper, please. Not only do I not sacrifice children to Kali Ma, but my heart is most definitely not closed and bent on distortion. You do not know anything about me. You do not know that I was a born-again Christian, you do not know how hard I tried to justify those verses. There is NO justification for genocide, Nipper, and you cannot pick-and-choose which verses are literal in order to suit your own needs and then turn around and accuse others of doing the same.

But as long as we're playing the "they-were-all-evil" and therefore deserved to die game, what about the 2 Kings 2:23-24 story? If I recall correctly, 42 kids surrounded Elisha, teasing him for his bald head, and so Elisha decided it would be a good idea to curse the kids in the name of the lord. At this point, some bears charged out of the woods and ripped the 42 little children to shreds.

Nipper, please tell me, what omnibenevolent being could possibly justify the murder of so many children because they teased someone about his appearance?

 

[TheManeki]

Did you know that those people worshipped BAAL and believed in infant and child sacrafice. They usually burned the child to death. GOD judged those people and found them infectious. That was under the LAW. You take verses out of context. Some are literal and some are figurative. It is hard to tell from a verse lifted out of its text and a closed heart bend on distortion

Speaking as a Christian, I find it sad when Christians do not know their scripture or history.

Let's take a look at 1 Samuel 15:

[bible]1 samuel 15:1-3[/bible]

Hard to take that out of context. Sure, you can argue that the adult Amalekites were oppressing Israel, but surely not the children? Nowadays, that behavior would be considered genocide, pure and simple.

Now let's go to later on in the chapter:

[bible]1 samuel 15:9-11[/bible]

God is mad at Saul, not for killing children, but for sparing the livestock.

I believe this particular round goes to WF, not LN.

 

[KomissarSteve]

How are my views dangerous? I am very sympathetic to people with issues. I find the view that homosexuality is not an issue to be far more a danger to society, children, eduction, and love. Would you allow person with a learning disability (some would call mental retardation) to adopt children?

Where is your evidence that homosexuals have a disability that is tantamount to retardation in how it impairs one's ability to raise a child?

The scientific consensus is that homosexuality is not a disease; you either need to provide evidence that it is, or else stop treating it as such.