These boards are no longer the CF boards??

[KoolKat]

hey everyone here's a link to a petition to bring back the old CF!!! (i also posted this in the Ouzeri, but more people are coming here so.....)

http://foru.ms/t5937679

 

[Imperiuz]

Orthodox, people, you should do as I, send a pm to Erwin. If too many people complains, he will revert it back.

 

[DarkNLovely]

Morocco is on my list of places to go. I have heard 1st hand of its beauty, in every aspect.

It's so true! They are so nice! If you are of African decent, they call you Brother or Sister! (I can't tell because of your character! It's kinda green!)I like to warn people of that because nobody warned us and at first we thought they were being strange but they are sincere! The market places are just like in Alaadin! LOL!

 

[Xpycoctomos]

So many thoughts.

Can anyone tell me, is the nicene Creed still refered to here for a normative on what a Christian is? Is there still a normative. Some may be saying "No John, this is no longer Christian forums" however, in the new "broader" Mission erwin posted, part 2 of the Mission is:

To provide a meeting place for Christians to fellowship with one another and outreach to non-Christians..."

So, is there still some normative.

This is all I ask (not that anyone has to listen) is that we first try to understand where Erwin is coming from and what his thought process is. I don't think I saw it here but I saw in other places that people were accusing him of being an Atheist and couldn't find any proof of that. From what I can tell from any of his own posts, his theological beliefs haven't changed (or he hasn't shared anything that would tell me otherwise) even if his beliefs on HOW Christ's word should be spread have. However, being as we are in a pluralistic society, it would seem necessary to have a definition of what a Christian is and what "Christian priniciples" refer to exactly. Is this still defined here?

 

[DarkNLovely]

IDEA! What if we protest by not logging on for a week? That will be very clear message, yes? What do ya'll think? FEEDBACK!

 

[DarkNLovely]

It was fine the way it was! I'm a prime example! Not EO, but here I am! Nothing is stopping outreach! Ya'll have reached me and this is the ONLY place where I have EVER been witnessed to about EOC!*FORGOT TO ADD xy'S POST*

 

[Oblio]

So many thoughts.

Can anyone tell me, is the nicene Creed still refered to here for a normative on what a Christian is? Is there still a normative. Some may be saying "No John, this is no longer Christian forums" however, in the new "broader" Mission erwin posted, part 2 of the Mission is:

So, is there still some normative.

This is all I ask (not that anyone has to listen) is that we first try to understand where Erwin is coming from and what his thought process is. I don't think I saw it here but I saw in other places that people were accusing him of being an Atheist and couldn't find any proof of that. From what I can tell from any of his own posts, his theological beliefs haven't changed (or he hasn't shared anything that would tell me otherwise) even if his beliefs on HOW Christ's word should be spread have. However, being as we are in a pluralistic society, it would seem necessary to have a definition of what a Christian is and what "Christian priniciples" refer to exactly. Is this still defined here?

My guess is no, or will be soon. Our good Emperor is being attacked in his moderator application thread for his comments regarding Mormon heretics. At least one antagonist is claiming the 'new' vision of CF is to disallow orthodox Christian thought.

 

[Silentchapel]

What I said in that petition:

 

[Brushstroke]

When I got on this morning I was like "What the heck?!" This is messed up...I almost thought all the Christian forums were gone and it was just some basic social forum until I scrolled down further.

It irritates me. This was originally for us, and it should be for us. I want CF back.

~Phil~

 

[DarkNLovely]

WHAT DO YA'LL THINK ABOUT A BOTCOTT?

 

[KoolKat]

WHAT DO YA'LL THINK ABOUT A BOTCOTT?

you mean a BOYCOTT, right?

 

[DarkNLovely]

you mean a BOYCOTT, right?

LOL!YEAH! Can't spell! lol!

 

[SeraphimSarov]

Not sure anyone would notice or care. It's supposed to be a self-governing site now, but I don't see how that's true when the very name of the site was unilaterally changed and most of the membership is completely scandalized by it.

 

[DarkNLovely]

Not sure anyone would notice or care. It's supposed to be a self-governing site now, but I don't see how that's true when the very name of the site was unilaterally changed and most of the membership is completely scandalized by it.

What does self-governing mean as far as the site?

I just learned what "apologetics" mean today!

 

[Xpycoctomos]

Some thoughts:

I have been informed by an Administrated of FM that there is no longer any kind of definition of what a Christian is and that "only God truly knows" (I will say that this person did not say that this was THEIR personal view but was trying to represent Erwin's thinking on the matter. Erwin, if this is false, please come here and defend your name). The consequences of this are obvious and think anyone here can see that this site is now no more than Universalist in nature.

This got me thinking a lot. How did it come to this? Well, what was used before this to define a Christian? The words of the Nicene Creed. Now, to be sure, each line was defended by a verse to protect the sensibilities of the majority of sola scriptura-ists (and most would assume that Erwin is one of them, even if he has never used that word to define himself). All of this and the current status of this forum reveals a LOT.

The ONE unifying thing we all had here in ChristianForums was an ancient text written by Christian leaders: the Creed. Even a non-demonational, bible alone protestant saw that it was the best method of unifying Christians. I mean, he could have said "To be a member of CF and to be able to label yourself as a Christian, click here if you agree to everything in the Bible." But the absurdity of this is so apparent, and oddly enough not only to Catholics and Orthodox, but to the most protestanty of protestants as well (this is, by the way, that I think most lutherans, baptists and so on, even non-denoms, are NOT REALLY as sola-scriptura as they would hope to think... however, some are and I will get to this latter and sadder point in a moment).

Erwin realized you can't use the Bible alone as the definition of a Christian because that can be interpreted SOOOO many different ways. So, he had to result to a text that clarified what all of that means. Later, he used the Bible to defend each quote... but the fact is that the lines in the Creed were not the ONLY way of interpreting Christ's nature if indeed one used the ONLY the Scriptures to peer into Christian beliefs.

So, if one is honest and probes into Sola Scripturism diligently they are left with two ultimate conclusions: 1) you need the Church to understand the Scriptures (which inevitably leads to where and WHAT is the Church), OR (not "and") since the Scriptures stand alone, it is for each one to decide on his or her own what they mean, who Christ is, etc... Unfortunately this site has gone with the latter.

But the conclusion was inevitable. This site always tried to be all inclusive. The premise was impossible "to unite all Christians" (for a "Christian" was anyone who believed in their own interpretation of the Creed... just as we can't be sola scriptura, we can't be sola credo either... what is missing is the ENTIRE contest of the Church to undestand this). After a while, it must have dawned on Erwin that the JWs and the Momons have good points too (Within a sola-scriptura kind of mindset) and so who was he to say that the Creed had to be the standard when the Creed is just made up by a bunch of men a long time ago? As good as they may have been, who were they to define a Christian? Erwin and his collegues had to take the Universalist road because the mission, in reality, is simply to be inclusive. To take the apostolic (Catholic/Orthodox) route, you have to be honest enough with yourself thta no matter how unpopular it is, being a part of a faith does mean that you DO believe certain things and that you necessarily do NOT believe other things, and that is not only about morals and vitues but about God as well. It necessarily means being exclusive. If not, you are universalist.

So, regardless of what happens to this forum (or what has happened... and this is why I have always said that this is JUST a forum... these will come and go and evolve and devolve) I hope that protestants wake up to the fact that THIS is exactly where Sola Scriptura can lead. It is dangerous and I oddly enough it the the very mindset of "who is the Church to say what a Christian is" that directly created the mindset of the Universalist movement.

John

 

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[Michael G]

All I know is Fr. Vasily would be in total, utter, incomprehensible outrage right now!

 

[kamikat]

Well, ya know, he actually did listen to the members. Many people said that if he was going to change CF to allow non-Christians to be mods and non-Christians to post whereever and eliminate the Creed, then he should change the name. that's exactly what he did. People told him to either go back to the old CF or take Christian out of the name. I guess nobody likes what he chose.

 

[Sothron]

I know about Orthopraxis and I know there are the conservative christian forums which has an Orthodox section. Is there anywhere else you guys here post at that is Orthodox or has an Orthodox section you post in?

I do not know if I can associate with this site as it has publicly renounced Christ for secularism and Erwin's personal finances. He paid seven thousand USD for the name foru.ms at the drop of the hat; nice to see where my donations went.

 

[Michael G]

I am sorry all, but if I leave, I will not be joining another forum.