This is Why Homosexuality is Wrong. . .

[bricks00usa]

Ok. Sorry to hear that. But still all the people I know realized they were gay (including myself) before they had sex.

Why be sorry? I am happy. It is what God has chosen for me. Too bad my church does not approve.

 

[naotmaa]

Why be sorry? I am happy. It is what God has chosen for me. Too bad my church does not approve.

Oh! I must have misread it. sorry about that.

 

[RealityCheck]

It happen among nice people who are trying to do what is best for the one they care about. I asked my future father-in-law, if I might marry his daughter. It was hardly 1949. We've been married 22 years.

So you just walked up, knocked on the door, and said, "Hi, I'm LittleNipper, I'd like to marry your daughter."

 

[OdwinOddball]

It happen among nice people who are trying to do what is best for the one they care about. I asked my future father-in-law, if I might marry his daughter. It was hardly 1949. We've been married 22 years.

If it works for you go for it, but for most of us that is an outdated patriarchal custom that is better left in the past.

My fiancee's fathers opinion or permission has absolutely no importance to whether or not Jenn and I share our lives together. She is not his property, and I do not need his permission to be with her. The only persons permission that I need is Jenn's.

Fortunately, I would have had his permission if I had asked, but there was no need. Daughters are no longer a prize fathers give away to the man of their choosing.


And here I think we come to the real crux of the problem. The world you grew up in no longer exists. We live in a new world where everyone is equal, not just white male heterosexuals.

 

[naotmaa]

But one can rape, have incest, commit adultery, fornicate, and play around with ones buddy at camp and still be a good heterosexual? Did you watch the movie Brokeback Mountain. Homosexuals loved it, but in fact, it demonstrated exactly what happens when one guy comes on to another young guy who has raging hormones. Sorry, one's sexuality can be scarred---limp wrists excluded.

Yeah they'd still be heterosexual. Yeah raging hormones for the same sex. You have yet to prove how it can be scarred.

 

[TheOutsider]

You also have to define "abuse of sex" better for us, to make sure we know what it means to you. This is especially important because you've already established that you have a different views on sex and sexuality than most of the others on this thread.

I think it's safe to say that LN has a different view on sex and sexuality than most people in the world. Nothing he says makes any sense.

 

[Tomk80]

I think it's safe to say that LN has a different view on sex and sexuality than most people in the world. Nothing he says makes any sense.

That goes for most things LN makes statements about. My personal theory is that he was transported from the middle ages to this age by a future time-travel scientists doing a PhD thesis titled "the effects of early 21st century culture on medieval man".

 

[LittleNipper]

If you want to convince us -- and you have yet to convince anyone participating in this thread to change sides -- you have to provide some real-world proof.

I'm not trying to convince anyone. People are convinced and convicted by the HOLY SPIRIT. Anything less then that is worthless because it is not of an eternal value.

 

[Ramona]

For the love of all that is holy, will people STOP comparing homosexuality to pedophilia and rape? I was sexually abused constantly as a child, and later, as a teenager, was once drugged and taken advantage of.

And let me tell y'all something: Rape is not consensual, it is does not feel good, it is not loving. Rape deprives you of everything you are. Rape deprives you of everything you value. Rape deprives you of everything it means to be a human being.

When I think back on that time in high school when I had consensual lesbian sex with a friend of roughly my own age (she was a year older), it feel completely okay with it, in fact, I remember it fondly. When I think about the abuse I took as a seven-year-old at the hands of a man (and I use that term loosely) forty years my senior, I feel suicidal, therefore I try my very, very hardest to suppress those memories.

How dare you, LittleNipper, how dare you try to tell me or anyone else here that loving same-sex relationships are ANYTHING like rape or pedophilia!

 

[Ramona]

For the love of all that is holy, will people STOP comparing homosexuality to pedophilia and rape? I was sexually abused constantly as a child, and later, as a teenager, was once drugged and taken advantage of.

And let me tell y'all something: Rape is not consensual, it is does not feel good, it is not loving. Rape deprives you of everything you are. Rape deprives you of everything you value. Rape deprives you of everything it means to be a human being.

When I think back on that time in high school when I had consensual lesbian sex with a friend of roughly my own age (she was a year older), it feel completely okay with it, in fact, I remember it fondly. When I think about the abuse I took as a seven-year-old at the hands of a man (and I use that term loosely) forty years my senior, I feel suicidal, therefore I try my very, very hardest to suppress those memories.

How dare you, LittleNipper, how dare you try to tell me or anyone else here that loving same-sex relationships are ANYTHING like rape or pedophilia!

Quoting my post in case LN missed it.

 

[LittleNipper]

Why be sorry? I am happy. It is what God has chosen for me. Too bad my church does not approve.

GOD did not choose for you to be forced into a having sex. Choices certainly can be forced on people. GOD wishes you to place HIM and not sexual activity or sex partners at the center of your life. That might mean that one remains celibate but it certainly does not mean that one has been told of GOD to exercise one's sexual abilities for one's own ends.

 

[KomissarSteve]

I'm not trying to convince anyone. People are convinced and convicted by the HOLY SPIRIT. Anything less then that is worthless because it is not of an eternal value.

I'm sure all those alleged "ex-gays" who thought they had been turned straight through reparative therapy thought that they were filled with the Holy Spirit, too.

And then - surprise surprise. They turned out to simply be wired to like guys, and there was no changing that.

 

[TheManeki]

I'm not trying to convince anyone. People are convinced and convicted by the HOLY SPIRIT. Anything less then that is worthless because it is not of an eternal value.

Guess that's why nobody's believing you.

 

[naotmaa]

GOD did not choose for you to be forced into a having sex. Choices certainly can be forced on people. GOD wishes you to place HIM and not sexual activity or sex partners at the center of your life. That might mean that one remains celibate but it certainly does not mean that one has been told of GOD to exercise one's sexual abilities for one's own ends.

I don't think thats what he meant.

We'll say this until you're blue inthe face, homosexuality is not just about sex. Just like heterosexuality is not just about sex.

 

[naotmaa]

Quoting my post in case LN missed it.

It was very brave of you to post that. And you're completely right. But I don't think LittleNipper will ever listen, unfortunately.

 

[Ramona]

It was very brave of you to post that. And you're completely right. But I don't think LittleNipper will ever listen, unfortunately.

Thanks for the kind words, blessed soul. It's definitely good to have you here.

 

[LittleNipper]

For the love of all that is holy, will people STOP comparing homosexuality to pedophilia and rape? I was sexually abused constantly as a child, and later, as a teenager, was once drugged and taken advantage of.

And let me tell y'all something: Rape is not consensual, it is does not feel good, it is not loving. Rape deprives you of everything you are. Rape deprives you of everything you value. Rape deprives you of everything it means to be a human being.

When I think back on that time in high school when I had consensual lesbian sex with a friend of roughly my own age (she was a year older), it feel completely okay with it, in fact, I remember it fondly. When I think about the abuse I took as a seven-year-old at the hands of a man (and I use that term loosely) forty years my senior, I feel suicidal, therefore I try my very, very hardest to suppress those memories.

How dare you, LittleNipper, how dare you try to tell me or anyone else here that loving same-sex relationships are ANYTHING like rape or pedophilia!

I'm sorry for what was done to you, but I'm also sorry for what people choose to do to themselves. GOD created sex a beautiful thing for a husband and wife to share in the process of procreation. In that regard, humans can participate in GOD's creative genious and embrace HIM through an act of making a baby. BUT, those who use sex for their own pleasure and disregard GOD, are doing a disservice ot the institution of marriage and insulting GOD by promoting the abuse of nature as GOD originally intended. It becomes an act of defiance and rebellion.

 

[KomissarSteve]

I'm sorry for what was done to you, but I'm also sorry for what people choose to do to themselves. GOD created sex a beautiful thing for a husband and wife to share in the process of procreation.

And God has created about 10% of the population in such a way that sex between a husband and a wife is not a beautiful thing, because either the husband, the wife, or both, aren't attracted to the opposite sex. I find it rather inconsistent to claim that God is Love, and yet would deny the opportunity for romantic love to one in ten of His children.

BUT, those who use sex for their own pleasure and disregard GOD, are doing a disservice ot the institution of marriage and insulting GOD by promoting the abuse of nature as GOD originally intended. It becomes an act of defiance and rebellion.

I see no Biblical basis for believing that sex for pleasure is an inherently evil thing. And besides, sex for pleasure and sex for procreation aren't the only two options; there is also sex as an expression of love and intimacy between two people who are genuinely and innocently in love with one another. I see no reason to believe that God doesn't smile upon this act when two men or two women who are so deeply in love decide to engage in it in this spirit.

 

[naotmaa]

I'm sorry for what was done to you, but I'm also sorry for what people choose to do to themselves. GOD created sex a beautiful thing for a husband and wife to share in the process of procreation. In that regard, humans can participate in GOD's creative genious and embrace HIM through an act of making a baby. BUT, those who use sex for their own pleasure and disregard GOD, are doing a disservice ot the institution of marriage and insulting GOD by promoting the abuse of nature as GOD originally intended. It becomes an act of defiance and rebellion.

You seem to think sex is only for two reasons, first one being making a baby and the second for lust. However, two people can still have sex because they love each other and it being a different way to connect to one another, without having a baby and without it being about lust.

 

[Ramona]

I'm sorry for what was done to you, but I'm also sorry for what people choose to do to themselves. GOD created sex a beautiful thing for a husband and wife to share in the process of procreation. In that regard, humans can participate in GOD's creative genious and embrace HIM through an act of making a baby. BUT, those who use sex for their own pleasure and disregard GOD, are doing a disservice ot the institution of marriage and insulting GOD by promoting the abuse of nature as GOD originally intended. It becomes an act of defiance and rebellion.

O Kali Ma. I just loooooooove how the homosexuals who "disregard GOD" are more of an outrage to you than heterosexuals who rape children. Why are you so up-in-arms over homosexual relationships, whereas ACTUAL rape and ACTUAL pedophilia only get half a sentence from you?